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From: Darren New <dnew@san.rr.com>
Subject: Re: config files proposal
Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 04:20:47 GMT
Date: 2002-06-03T04:20:47+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3CFAEEB5.CE3041C2@san.rr.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: wkznydwcm7.fsf@acm.org

Stephen Leake wrote:
> > You need to specify where a file is written in the path. (API#6)
> > apparently only talks about reading files.
> 
> It should be written where it is found; I'll add that. Hmm, special
> case if it is a new file; write it to the first directory in the
> search path.

The problem here is if you load a system-wide config file, make changes, and
want to save it. You at least need a routine that says "pretend you got it
from *here*" or something; i.e., to change the name&path of the file between
reading and writing.
 
> > FF #3 I would disagree with. It limits having large items in the
> > config file format.
> 
> Only if there is a maximum line length. I guess some text editors
> might impose one, but Ada.Text_IO doesn't.

Hrm. Perhaps.
 
> > In addition, API#15 conflicts with this requirement.
> 
> I don't see how. API#15 says "the client may provide a string image of
> a composite type". How does that imply multiline values. Ah; the
> client could embed a newline in the string. Guess I should forbid
> that.

Right. Actually, I read it as "provides a way to read/write the value". I
hadn't read it as "... as a String value" but I guess someone more atuned to
Ada would read it that way.

> But I'm leaning towards eliminating API#15 anyway; given multi-level
> sections, I realized there's no need for it. I had it in my Windows
> ini package, because there is only one level of sections.

I think it depends on just how you build the API.

> > Question: Are keys case-sensitive?
> 
> Good point. I think I'll go with the Ada identifier model and say
> "no".

If "no" and you're allowing Unicode, then you have to worry about the
bizarre transformations that some languages have.
 
> I guess we could add an "append_read_only" operation, that would read
> in a second file, and store it in a separate read-only tree. I like
> that.

That's how I've always done it. That also solves the problem of "where do I
store changes if there was no file found when I read?"
 
> I'm planning on renaming the file to a backup name before writing it,
> for glitch protection.

Make that optional. Or write to a new file, and rename over the old one.
Some OSes may do this for you automatically. Other OSes supply specific
routines to do this properly (maintaining file attributes and ACLs, etc.)
 
> base64 would be good for values that don't need to be user editable. I
> guess persistent storage for a large object (whether it is composite
> or not) could be supported that way. I'm not clear why that would be
> in a typical "config file". Hmm, maybe a pixel bitmap for an icon?

That was actually my thought, yes. Funky how we both had the same example in
mind.
 
> Thanks for your comments!

Thanks for paying attention! :-)

-- 
Darren New 
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  reply	other threads:[~2002-06-03  4:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 132+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-06-02 16:07 config files proposal Stephen Leake
2002-06-02 21:29 ` Darren New
2002-06-02 22:00   ` Darren New
2002-06-02 22:16   ` Stephen Leake
2002-06-03  4:20     ` Darren New [this message]
2002-06-09 20:16       ` Stephen Leake
2002-06-10  1:33         ` Darren New
2002-06-10 12:35           ` Stephen Leake
2002-06-10 15:42             ` Darren New
2002-06-10 14:23           ` Georg Bauhaus
2002-06-03 14:56     ` Ted Dennison
2002-06-03 16:08       ` Darren New
2002-06-03 16:24         ` Jean-Marc Bourguet
2002-06-03 16:50           ` Darren New
2002-06-04 11:07             ` Preben Randhol
2002-06-04 19:55         ` Ted Dennison
2002-06-09 20:43           ` Stephen Leake
2002-06-09 20:39         ` Stephen Leake
2002-06-10  1:33           ` Darren New
2002-06-10 10:17             ` Preben Randhol
2002-06-09 20:29       ` Stephen Leake
2002-06-10  1:33         ` Darren New
2002-06-10 18:58         ` Ted Dennison
2002-06-11 18:11           ` Stephen Leake
2002-06-03 15:13     ` Preben Randhol
2002-06-04 15:41 ` Antonio Duran
2002-06-04 15:51   ` Darren New
2002-06-05 10:17     ` Antonio Duran
2002-06-05 14:31     ` Ted Dennison
2002-06-05 19:12   ` Syntactically correct spanish identifiers (Was: config files proposal) Jacob Sparre Andersen
2002-06-06  1:49     ` Robert Dewar
2002-06-07  8:07       ` Antonio Duran
2002-06-07 15:37         ` Robert Dewar
2002-06-09 20:54   ` config files proposal Stephen Leake
2002-06-10  1:33     ` Darren New
2002-06-10 12:40       ` Stephen Leake
2002-06-10 15:45         ` Darren New
2002-06-11 13:15           ` Ted Dennison
2002-06-11 16:36             ` Darren New
2002-06-12  7:40               ` Volkert Barr
2002-06-12 15:45                 ` Darren New
2002-06-13  8:17                   ` Volkert Barr
2002-06-13 13:20                   ` Ted Dennison
2002-06-13 13:38                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2002-06-11 13:09       ` Ted Dennison
2002-06-13 15:52     ` Georg Bauhaus
2002-06-04 17:06 ` Darren New
2002-06-09 21:01   ` Stephen Leake
2002-06-06  7:57 ` Volkert Barr
2002-06-06 10:04   ` sk
2002-06-06 11:33     ` Volkert Barr
2002-06-06 13:56       ` sk
2002-06-07  8:24   ` Volkert
2002-06-07  9:01     ` Jason King
2002-06-07 11:01       ` Preben Randhol
2002-06-07 17:06         ` Darren New
2002-06-07 17:13           ` Preben Randhol
2002-06-07 17:33             ` Darren New
2002-06-07 18:26               ` Preben Randhol
2002-06-09 21:08               ` Stephen Leake
2002-06-07 15:07       ` Volkert
2002-06-07 15:12       ` Ted Dennison
2002-06-09 21:16         ` Stephen Leake
2002-06-09 21:05   ` Stephen Leake
2002-06-13  9:08 ` Antonio Duran
2002-06-13 14:15   ` Stephen Leake
2002-06-13 21:04     ` Antonio Duran
2002-06-14 16:15       ` Stephen Leake
2002-06-13 18:38   ` Ted Dennison
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-06-14  0:19 Config_Files proposal Stephen Leake
2002-06-18 17:07 Stephen Leake
2002-06-18 21:55 ` Darren New
2002-06-19 16:11   ` Stephen Leake
2002-06-19 16:51     ` Darren New
2002-06-19 18:39       ` Stephen Leake
2002-06-19 19:48         ` Darren New
2002-06-20 14:03           ` Stephen Leake
2002-06-20 16:36             ` Darren New
2002-06-20 17:49               ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2002-06-20 20:00                 ` Stephen Leake
2002-06-20 20:16                   ` Darren New
2002-06-20 20:45                     ` Stephen Leake
2002-06-21  2:06                     ` Ted Dennison
2002-06-21 12:55                       ` Marin David Condic
2002-06-24 13:20                         ` Stephen Leake
2002-06-21 15:29                       ` Darren New
2002-06-24 13:16                         ` Stephen Leake
2002-06-24 15:06                           ` Darren New
2002-06-24 17:09                             ` Stephen Leake
2002-06-24 17:57                               ` Darren New
2002-06-24 18:53                                 ` Stephen Leake
2002-06-24 21:24                                   ` Darren New
2002-06-29  3:15                                   ` Ted Dennison
2002-06-28 23:21                           ` Randy Brukardt
2002-06-29  3:01                             ` Ted Dennison
2002-07-01 20:58                               ` Randy Brukardt
2002-07-02  0:31                                 ` Ted Dennison
2002-07-02  4:43                                   ` Randy Brukardt
2002-07-05 21:51                                     ` Robert I. Eachus
2002-06-20 19:54               ` Stephen Leake
2002-06-19  6:53 ` Dr. Michael Paus
2002-06-19 15:18   ` Ted Dennison
2002-06-19 15:08 ` Ted Dennison
2002-06-19 16:18   ` Robert I. Eachus
2002-06-19 16:53     ` Darren New
2002-06-19 18:22       ` Stephen Leake
2002-06-20 13:12         ` Marin David Condic
2002-06-24 13:09           ` Stephen Leake
2002-06-24 15:08             ` Darren New
2002-06-24 17:13               ` Stephen Leake
2002-06-24 17:59                 ` Darren New
2002-06-24 19:04                   ` Stephen Leake
2002-06-24 21:29                     ` Darren New
2002-06-25 12:52                     ` Georg Bauhaus
2002-06-25 12:45                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2002-06-19 21:32       ` Georg Bauhaus
2002-06-19 18:20     ` Stephen Leake
2002-06-21 20:04       ` Robert I. Eachus
2002-06-24 13:39         ` Stephen Leake
2002-06-19 16:48   ` Marin David Condic
2002-06-20 13:04     ` Georg Bauhaus
2002-06-20 13:53       ` Marin David Condic
2002-06-20 14:19     ` Stephen Leake
2002-06-20 15:37     ` Ted Dennison
2002-06-19 18:15   ` Stephen Leake
2002-06-20  1:35     ` Ted Dennison
2002-06-20 14:10       ` Stephen Leake
2002-06-20 20:50         ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2002-06-20 20:58           ` Stephen Leake
2002-06-21  2:21           ` Ted Dennison
2002-06-24 13:22             ` Stephen Leake
2002-06-20  1:37     ` Ted Dennison
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