From: "Robert I. Eachus" <rieachus@attbi.com>
Subject: Re: Announce: Grace project site operational
Date: Sat, 25 May 2002 22:03:40 GMT
Date: 2002-05-25T22:03:40+00:00 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <3CF00B8C.907@attbi.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 3CDA85F3.A3F7D318@despammed.com
Wes Groleau wrote:
> I didn't believe it when I read how he took
> "one -10" (a drop in temperature of ten degrees)
> and turned it into "the other -10" (ten degrees
> below freezing).
The worst case resulted in the Apollo fire that killed three astronauts.
Two tests were combined. One that required operation in 3 psi oxygen,
and another that required pressurization of the command module to 3 psi
(above the surrounding pressure) for leak testing. The medical doctor
who signed off on the combined test did so because all of the medical
documentation read 3 psi oxygen, which is about the partial pressure of
oxygen in the atmosphere. Forget for a moment that pressurizing the
capsule with 18 psi oxygen made it a bomb, ask your doctor what would
happen to your lungs on 18 psi oxygen, 0% CO2, 0% H2O, 0% N2, for that
matter 0% anything else.
In scuba diving, the partial pressure of O2 can get that high in
"technical" diving (below 150 feet), but the usual for technical diving
is to use a helium/oxygen mix, and keep the oxygen partial pressure to
reasonable levels. "Oxygen tents" in hospitals seldom go above 7 or 8
psi oxygen partial pressure, in other words a 50/50 mix of oxygen and
air. Mountain climbers use pure oxygen above around 20,000 feet, but
again the absolute O2 pressure is below 3 or 4 psi.
One of the changes made subsequent to the Apollo fire was to a 50/50
He/O2 mix. This allowed the command capsule to be filled with the mix
at atmospheric pressure before launch, then reduce to 5 psi (2.5 psi O2
pp) on orbit.
Incidently I always thought that the most frightening part of the early
spacecraft flights was taking off in a container with a hole in it to
let the air out and hoping that the hole would close properly. Once the
rockets stopped firing you could do something about it, but you would
probably be out of oxygen by then. This is one of the things the Space
Shuttle fixed--no venting required during the boost phase. Along with a
max-Q where you could do something other than holding on until the
shaking stopped.
Yes, the astronauts are strapped in, but I mean it literally. In
Mercury, Gemini, and Apollo, if you didn't hold on to keep your hands
from uncontrollably banging around at max-Q, you could damage your
hands--and the spacecraft. Add the pogo effect, see Apollo 6, and you
were just glad to survive the ride. (The pogo effect resulted from
resonances between the Saturn I structure and the pipes bringing fuel to
the engines. This resulted in the momentary g-forces banging back and
forth between 0 and 10 gs or so. On Apollo 6 it was so bad that parts
of the lunar module adapter, which contained the LM and connected the
command/service module to the Saturn booster fell off. The cure was to
fill parts of the Saturn with helium before launch to change the
resonant frequencies.)
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2002-05-08 2:38 Announce: Grace project site operational Ted Dennison
2002-05-08 2:48 ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-05-08 12:46 ` Ted Dennison
2002-05-08 13:33 ` Marin David Condic
2002-05-09 19:54 ` Randy Brukardt
2002-05-09 20:22 ` Marin David Condic
2002-05-10 14:59 ` Ted Dennison
2002-05-10 18:54 ` Randy Brukardt
2002-05-10 14:17 ` Larry Hazel
2002-05-10 14:46 ` David C. Hoos
2002-05-10 15:38 ` Marin David Condic
2002-05-11 14:17 ` Preben Randhol
2002-05-11 16:58 ` martin.m.dowie
2002-05-11 18:55 ` William C. Brennan
2002-05-11 20:10 ` Preben Randhol
2002-05-12 8:53 ` martin.m.dowie
2002-05-13 13:18 ` Marin David Condic
2002-05-13 13:07 ` Marin David Condic
2002-05-14 15:18 ` Ted Dennison
2002-05-14 15:45 ` Marin David Condic
2002-05-15 19:56 ` Hyman Rosen
2002-05-16 13:44 ` Stephen Leake
2002-05-14 17:02 ` Martin Dowie
2002-05-15 14:57 ` Ted Dennison
2002-05-15 15:31 ` Marin David Condic
2002-05-16 21:57 ` tmoran
2002-05-17 1:55 ` tmoran
2002-05-17 13:12 ` Marin David Condic
2002-05-18 1:44 ` tmoran
2002-05-15 15:54 ` Martin Dowie
2002-05-15 17:33 ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-05-15 17:04 ` David C. Hoos
2002-05-15 22:59 ` tmoran
2002-05-16 13:36 ` Marin David Condic
2002-05-16 13:43 ` Ted Dennison
2002-05-16 14:51 ` Marin David Condic
2002-05-17 15:34 ` Stephen Leake
2002-05-20 13:47 ` Marin David Condic
2002-05-21 14:23 ` Stephen Leake
2002-05-21 17:24 ` Ted Dennison
2002-05-21 17:52 ` Marin David Condic
2002-05-22 16:20 ` Stephen Leake
2002-05-28 8:22 ` Martin Dowie
2002-05-22 16:16 ` Stephen Leake
2002-05-16 11:06 ` John English
2002-05-16 13:52 ` Stephen Leake
2002-05-16 16:40 ` Hyman Rosen
2002-05-14 17:50 ` tmoran
2002-05-14 18:07 ` Preben Randhol
2002-05-14 18:12 ` Preben Randhol
2002-05-14 18:52 ` Hyman Rosen
2002-05-15 8:17 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2002-05-15 18:30 ` Hyman Rosen
2002-05-16 9:16 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2002-05-16 19:42 ` Hyman Rosen
2002-05-17 8:35 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2002-05-20 17:08 ` Hyman Rosen
2002-05-21 8:34 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2002-05-21 15:57 ` Hyman Rosen
2002-05-22 7:48 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2002-05-22 11:40 ` Georg Bauhaus
2002-05-22 15:05 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2002-05-22 16:14 ` Georg Bauhaus
2002-05-22 16:31 ` Hyman Rosen
2002-05-23 11:40 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2002-05-15 8:44 ` Martin Dowie
2002-05-15 18:15 ` Stephen Leake
2002-05-15 18:39 ` Darren New
2002-05-15 19:34 ` Hyman Rosen
2002-05-15 23:52 ` Darren New
2002-05-16 7:39 ` Hyman Rosen
2002-05-16 15:35 ` Darren New
2002-05-16 17:55 ` Brian Rogoff
2002-05-16 13:35 ` Stephen Leake
2002-05-16 15:50 ` Darren New
2002-05-16 16:28 ` Hyman Rosen
2002-05-17 15:14 ` Stephen Leake
2002-05-17 16:08 ` Darren New
2002-05-17 16:41 ` Fraser Wilson
2002-05-17 16:43 ` Stephen Leake
2002-05-17 16:24 ` Marin David Condic
2002-05-17 15:03 ` Fraser Wilson
2002-05-17 15:27 ` Stephen Leake
2002-05-17 16:20 ` Fraser Wilson
2002-05-17 16:46 ` Stephen Leake
2002-05-18 6:14 ` Simon Wright
2002-05-17 15:44 ` Mark Biggar
2002-05-17 16:09 ` Fraser Wilson
2002-05-17 16:48 ` Stephen Leake
2002-05-17 21:11 ` Mark Biggar
2002-05-21 8:45 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2002-05-15 19:24 ` Hyman Rosen
2002-05-15 23:33 ` tmoran
2002-05-16 13:48 ` Stephen Leake
2002-05-16 14:39 ` Martin Dowie
2002-05-14 19:10 ` tmoran
2002-05-14 19:58 ` Preben Randhol
2002-05-11 19:42 ` Jeffrey Carter
2002-05-11 20:16 ` Preben Randhol
2002-05-11 19:49 ` Jeffrey Carter
2002-05-13 15:44 ` Ted Dennison
2002-05-13 16:16 ` Marin David Condic
2002-05-13 17:10 ` Stephen Leake
2002-05-13 19:07 ` Preben Randhol
2002-05-13 20:21 ` Marin David Condic
2002-05-14 15:00 ` Ted Dennison
2002-05-14 16:00 ` Stephen Leake
2002-05-14 16:30 ` Preben Randhol
2002-05-13 19:16 ` Jeffrey Carter
2002-05-13 19:19 ` Simon Wright
2002-05-11 1:23 ` Richard Riehle
2002-05-11 12:27 ` Marc A. Criley
2002-05-08 16:12 ` Hyman Rosen
2002-05-08 16:31 ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-05-08 17:16 ` Marin David Condic
2002-05-09 9:50 ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-05-09 13:32 ` Marin David Condic
2002-05-09 13:54 ` Ted Dennison
2002-05-09 14:23 ` Mário Amado Alves
2002-05-09 20:02 ` Randy Brukardt
2002-05-09 20:44 ` Marin David Condic
2002-05-10 13:06 ` Hyman Rosen
2002-05-10 16:23 ` Preben Randhol
2002-05-10 18:57 ` Hyman Rosen
2002-05-10 18:58 ` Randy Brukardt
2002-05-10 8:35 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2002-05-10 9:12 ` GRACE web site (was Announce: Grace project site operationa)l David C. Hoos, Sr.
2002-05-10 14:33 ` Ted Dennison
2002-05-10 16:17 ` Preben Randhol
2002-05-13 14:07 ` Ted Dennison
2002-05-13 16:04 ` Darren New
2002-05-10 19:00 ` Announce: Grace project site operational Randy Brukardt
2002-05-13 8:10 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2002-05-10 19:35 ` Ted Dennison
2002-05-13 8:01 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2002-05-10 10:25 ` Mário Amado Alves
2002-05-09 20:53 ` Simon Wright
2002-05-10 8:29 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2002-05-14 15:03 ` John English
2002-05-15 8:34 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2002-05-15 10:38 ` John English
2002-05-15 11:18 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2002-05-15 18:10 ` Stephen Leake
2002-05-09 14:03 ` Wes Groleau
2002-05-09 15:38 ` Marin David Condic
2002-05-11 18:10 ` William C. Brennan
2002-05-08 22:00 ` Ted Dennison
2002-05-09 5:39 ` Hyman Rosen
2002-05-09 14:21 ` Wes Groleau
2002-05-25 22:03 ` Robert I. Eachus [this message]
2002-05-08 14:32 ` Stephen Leake
2002-05-10 14:46 ` Ted Dennison
2002-05-10 7:47 ` fraser
2002-05-10 14:55 ` Ted Dennison
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2002-05-15 9:58 Grein, Christoph
2002-05-15 16:12 ` Ted Dennison
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