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From: Darren New <dnew@san.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Generation of permutations
Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 23:51:58 GMT
Date: 2002-05-09T23:51:58+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3CDB0BB2.DF5ECED0@san.rr.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: qwDC8.501$x52.68690121@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com

tmoran@acm.org wrote:
> 
> > It's impossible to [always] reliably determine if a given set of instructions
> > (i.e., one given to you, not one chosen by you) does indeed sort an
> > arbitrary list of numbers.
>   With the word "always" that's true.  Without that word it's false.

If I give you a set of instructions, it's impossible for you to reliably
determine if that set of instructions implements a sort. "Reliably"
implies "always", doesn't it?  I mean, if I give you a block of
instructions and ask "does this implement a sort", and sometimes you can
say "Yes, I'm sure it does", and sometimes you can only say "I can't
tell", then doesn't that mean your program doesn't reliably give the
right answer? Again, we're talking about the method of figuring out
whether it's a sort that's reliable, not whether the program itself
sorts correctly. Your program doesn't reliably calculate square roots if
it only works for the number 25 either - it has to work for all inputs
in the domain.

I mean, my car starts very reliably, except when it doesn't.  That
doesn't make any sense.

-- 
Darren New 
San Diego, CA, USA (PST). Cryptokeys on demand.
   The 90/10 rule of toothpaste: the last 10% of 
         the tube lasts as long as the first 90%.



  reply	other threads:[~2002-05-09 23:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 88+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-04-29 11:54 Generation of permutations Reinert Korsnes
2002-04-30 13:52 ` Ted Dennison
2002-04-30 14:20   ` Marin David Condic
2002-05-02 12:32     ` Robert Dewar
2002-05-02 15:47     ` Ted Dennison
2002-05-02 16:16       ` Mark Biggar
2002-05-03 13:04         ` Marin David Condic
2002-05-05  0:52           ` Robert Dewar
2002-05-05 23:11             ` tmoran
2002-05-06  2:13               ` Chad R. Meiners
2002-05-06 13:52                 ` Stephen Leake
2002-05-09 17:44                   ` Darren New
2002-05-09 18:07                     ` Stephen Leake
2002-05-09 20:58                       ` Darren New
2002-05-09 23:21                         ` tmoran
2002-05-09 23:51                           ` Darren New [this message]
2002-05-10  3:37                             ` tmoran
2002-05-10  3:59                               ` Darren New
2002-05-10 13:13                               ` Robert Dewar
2002-05-25 16:21                         ` Robert I. Eachus
2002-05-09 23:24                       ` Robert Dewar
2002-05-09 23:48                       ` Robert Dewar
2002-05-10  3:37                         ` tmoran
2002-05-10 15:10                         ` Chad R. Meiners
2002-05-11  4:04                           ` Robert Dewar
2002-05-16  1:35                             ` Chad R. Meiners
2002-05-11  4:05                           ` Robert Dewar
2002-05-06 15:46                 ` Wes Groleau
2002-05-06 16:21                   ` Chad R. Meiners
2002-05-06 16:33                   ` Darren New
2002-05-07  0:06                     ` tmoran
2002-05-07  0:26                       ` Darren New
2002-05-07  1:56                         ` tmoran
2002-05-07 10:39                           ` Robert Dewar
2002-05-07 17:25                             ` Chad R. Meiners
2002-05-08  2:27                               ` Robert Dewar
2002-05-08  8:44                               ` Mats Karlssohn
2002-05-07 17:00                         ` Wes Groleau
2002-05-06 21:33               ` Robert Dewar
2002-05-06 17:26             ` Marin David Condic
2002-05-07  7:35             ` tmoran
2002-05-07 13:22               ` Marin David Condic
2002-05-08  5:23                 ` tmoran
2002-05-08 14:10                   ` Marin David Condic
2002-05-09 16:20                     ` Darren New
2002-05-09 19:04                     ` tmoran
2002-05-08 16:20                   ` Darren New
2002-05-08 17:31                     ` tmoran
2002-05-08 17:39                     ` Chad R. Meiners
2002-05-07 15:34               ` Darren New
2002-05-07 17:44               ` Chad R. Meiners
2002-05-07 19:58                 ` tmoran
2002-05-07 21:05                   ` Turing-undecidable languages (OT) Chad R. Meiners
2002-05-08  8:24                     ` Danx
2002-05-08 17:16                       ` Chad R. Meiners
2002-05-10  2:37                       ` Robert Dewar
2002-05-08  9:16                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2002-05-08 17:18                       ` Chad R. Meiners
2002-05-09 20:56                         ` Dmitry A.Kazakov
2002-05-09 16:18                           ` Chad R. Meiners
2002-05-10  2:52                             ` Robert Dewar
2002-05-08  2:17               ` Generation of permutations Robert Dewar
2002-05-03 13:13         ` Ted Dennison
2002-05-03 13:24           ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2002-04-30 15:06   ` Hyman Rosen
2002-05-01  8:40     ` Adrian Hoe
2002-05-01 19:53       ` Hyman Rosen
2002-05-11  1:52     ` Steven Deller
2002-05-02 16:24   ` Mark Biggar
2002-04-30 17:12 ` Wes Groleau
2002-04-30 22:57   ` Robert Dewar
2002-05-01  0:54     ` tmoran
2002-05-01  9:42       ` Florian Weimer
2002-05-02 12:34         ` Robert Dewar
2002-05-01 12:43       ` Robert Dewar
2002-05-01 15:05         ` TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN Wes Groleau
2002-05-02 12:27           ` More on copyright, (Re: TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN) Robert Dewar
2002-05-08 13:56             ` Wes Groleau
2002-05-08 18:01               ` Robert Dewar
2002-05-08 18:31                 ` Hyman Rosen
2002-05-09 13:41                 ` Wes Groleau
2002-05-01 12:46       ` Generation of permutations Robert Dewar
2002-05-01 18:22         ` OT:Copyright, was " tmoran
2002-05-01 21:56           ` Robert Dewar
2002-05-01 23:45             ` tmoran
2002-05-02 11:58               ` Robert Dewar
2002-05-01 14:55     ` Wes Groleau
2002-05-02 12:41       ` Robert Dewar
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