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From: Richard Riehle <richard@adaworks.com>
Subject: Re: memory leakages with Ada?
Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 11:31:27 -0800
Date: 2002-03-17T19:23:28+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3C94EF0F.53049AA@adaworks.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: ImNk8.12198$Nd7.2963308722@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com

Pat Rogers wrote:

> There is plenty of evidence that Ada is much more cost-effective than C for the
> application domain Ada was designed for.  Unfortunately I don't know of much
> meaningful comparison data for Ada vs. C++.    I know what my "gut" tells me,
> but that isn't so useful in this context.

Pat,

I have had some recent correspondence with Don Reifer regarding Ada's
economic viability with respect to other languages.    Don seems to feel
that, while Ada may be a better language choice for weapon systems
development, the economics are not currently in its favor.    He has an
article in the current issue of Crosstalk where he does some comparisons
based on data he has been collecting over a long time.

Don quite correctly challenges us to collect and develop the numbers
to support our claims about Ada's productivity and its relevance in
the current language environment.     While some may be critical of
Don for their own reasons, he is not an enemy of Ada.  Rather, he
has a consulting practice built on software metrics, and his credibility
as a consultant demands he be honest with the data he develops.

I raise this issue because you and others have asserted the "evidence"
for the cost-effectiveness of Ada from time to time.   If we do have
such evidence, it is time to prepare a counter-argument to Reifer's
Crosstalk article.  He actually invites us to do so in that article.

So, where are the metrics?  Has anyone collected them in one place?
Is anyone with a predilection for Statistics interested in taking on
this kind of project?

Oh, and I don't think a rant about Reifer is appropriate.  He is an
honest man trying to do his best with the tools and information he
has.  If we have other information, it is our responsibility to present
it.  Let's see if we can deal with this issue with other than an ad
hominen attack.

Richard Riehle







  parent reply	other threads:[~2002-03-17 19:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 79+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-03-14 14:07 memory leakages with Ada? Calvin Ow
2002-03-14 14:31 ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-03-14 20:42   ` Nick Roberts
2002-03-14 21:11     ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-03-14 21:07   ` Anh_Vo
2002-03-14 20:12 ` Marin David Condic
2002-03-15  9:37   ` John McCabe
2002-03-15 12:55     ` Pat Rogers
2002-03-16  4:36       ` Will
2002-03-16  4:53         ` Pat Rogers
2002-03-16 12:21         ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-03-16  9:13       ` DPH
2002-03-16 14:38         ` Pat Rogers
2002-03-16 14:56           ` DPH
2002-03-16 15:51             ` Preben Randhol
2002-03-16 16:39               ` DPH
2002-03-16 19:51                 ` Pat Rogers
2002-03-16 20:40                   ` DPH
2002-03-17 19:31                   ` Richard Riehle [this message]
2002-03-17 21:49                     ` Pat Rogers
2002-03-17 22:02                       ` Pat Rogers
2002-03-18 22:32                         ` Randy Brukardt
2002-03-18 22:47                           ` Pat Rogers
2002-03-18  7:22                       ` Richard Riehle
2002-03-18 17:35                     ` Marin David Condic
2002-03-17 16:26                 ` Steve Doiel
2002-03-16 20:18         ` Robert A Duff
2002-03-16 20:36           ` DPH
2002-03-15 14:20     ` Marin David Condic
2002-03-18 17:54       ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2002-03-18 19:54         ` Hyman Rosen
2002-03-18 20:34           ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-03-18 21:18             ` Hyman Rosen
2002-03-18 21:45               ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-03-20  1:19                 ` Hyman Rosen
2002-03-20 17:06                   ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2002-03-20 17:56                     ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-03-20 17:48                   ` Marin David Condic
2002-03-22  0:25               ` Matthew Woodcraft
2002-03-22  5:10                 ` Hyman Rosen
2002-03-18 22:18         ` Marin David Condic
2002-03-20 20:49         ` Bertrand Augereau
2002-03-21  4:31         ` Will
2002-03-15 16:00     ` Hyman Rosen
2002-03-15 21:59       ` Chad R. Meiners
2002-03-17  5:43         ` Kevin Cline
2002-03-17  7:22           ` Chad R. Meiners
2002-03-18  4:09             ` Kevin Cline
2002-03-18 16:54               ` Chad R. Meiners
2002-03-18 17:38             ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2002-03-19  9:21               ` John McCabe
2002-03-19 17:11                 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2002-03-19 17:16                   ` Pat Rogers
2002-03-19 17:51                   ` David C. Hoos
2002-03-19 18:20                   ` Frank J. Lhota
2002-03-19 23:43                     ` Mark Johnson
2002-03-20 15:09                       ` Frank J. Lhota
2002-03-17  7:27           ` Hyman Rosen
2002-03-18  3:52             ` Kevin Cline
2002-03-18  5:37               ` Hyman Rosen
2002-03-15 17:41   ` Kevin Cline
2002-03-15 18:00     ` Marin David Condic
2002-03-15 18:08     ` Hyman Rosen
2002-03-16 10:15       ` Kevin Cline
2002-03-14 23:14 ` Kevin Cline
2002-03-15  3:20 ` Steve Doiel
2002-03-15  9:32   ` John McCabe
2002-03-15 15:46     ` Hyman Rosen
2002-03-15 17:29     ` Kevin Cline
2002-03-15 15:48   ` Jeffrey Carter
2002-03-16  3:05     ` Steve Doiel
2002-03-16 20:19       ` Jeffrey Carter
2002-03-15 17:25   ` Kevin Cline
2002-03-15 18:03     ` Hyman Rosen
2002-03-16 10:07       ` Kevin Cline
2002-03-17  3:00         ` Hyman Rosen
2002-03-15  9:27 ` John McCabe
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-03-20  6:25 Christoph Grein
2002-03-20 16:35 ` Hyman Rosen
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