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From: Ian Wild <ian@cfmu.eurocontrol.be>
Subject: Re: Ada's Slide To Oblivion ...
Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 13:56:15 GMT
Date: 2002-02-07T13:56:15+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3C6288CB.3227AF20@cfmu.eurocontrol.be> (raw)
In-Reply-To: a3s70v$1ac4bu$1@ID-25716.news.dfncis.de

Nick Roberts wrote:
>  
> Allow me to try to clarify. The C language requires (in practice if not
> strictly in theory) that all pointers fit into one machine word. On 32-bit
> architectures, this almost invariably forces the use of a 'flat' address
> space (just an offset, with no segment number or equivalent).


C, in practice as well as theory, has two flavours of pointer,
and there's no operation that will convert between code
pointers and data pointers.  You simply *can't* read or write
via code space pointers, nor can you call a data pointer.  (In
fact, it's not unusual for the two ranges of pointers, when viewed
as integers, to overlap, since "somewhere near the bottom" is
a pretty good place for both to start.)


> Which means
> that, for many architectures, the operating system cannot use segmentation
> (or other memory divisions) to detect a call or jump into read-write memory.

There's nothing in C that prevents split I/D spaces being
used if they're available, as witnessed by the fact that C
(and, indeed, Unix) ran on PDP-11s of yore.  Of course, if the
processor /can't/ separate instructions from data, it can't do
it for *any* language, so it'd be unfair to criticise C alone
for this.



  parent reply	other threads:[~2002-02-07 13:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 78+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-01-30 23:09 Ada's Slide To Oblivion Volkert
2002-01-30 23:57 ` Marin David Condic
2002-01-31  3:04   ` Richard Riehle
2002-01-31  3:05     ` Eric Merritt
2002-01-31 16:26       ` Richard Riehle
2002-01-31 16:41         ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-02-02 15:51           ` Zach Swanson
2002-02-02 19:18             ` Richard Riehle
2002-02-04  4:43         ` Richard Riehle
2002-01-31 14:37     ` Marin David Condic
2002-01-31 15:14   ` Ted Dennison
2002-01-31 17:16     ` Marin David Condic
2002-01-31 18:32       ` Steve O'Neill
2002-01-31 18:27     ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2002-01-31 19:22       ` Marin David Condic
2002-01-31 20:40       ` Christopher A. Bohn
2002-01-31 21:08         ` Marin David Condic
2002-02-01 14:22           ` [off-topic - to lighten the air] Wes Groleau
2002-02-01  2:31         ` Ada's Slide To Oblivion Richard Riehle
2002-02-04 16:51           ` Jerry Petrey
2002-02-04 17:49             ` Richard Riehle
2002-02-04 18:24               ` Marin David Condic
2002-02-05  9:04                 ` DPH
2002-02-05 14:46                   ` Marin David Condic
2002-02-05 16:37                 ` Wes Groleau
2002-02-05 17:22                   ` Marin David Condic
2002-02-05 18:42                   ` Preben Randhol
2002-02-06 21:37                     ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2002-02-07 11:30                       ` Georg Bauhaus
2002-02-05 13:48               ` Georg Bauhaus
2002-02-06  7:07             ` Anders Wirzenius
2002-02-01  2:26       ` Richard Riehle
2002-02-01 14:27         ` A. Nonny Mouse
2002-02-01 17:18         ` Dale Pontius
2002-02-06  2:37           ` Nick Roberts
2002-02-06  7:31             ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2002-02-06 21:27               ` Nick Roberts
2002-02-06 22:03                 ` Ian S. Nelson
2002-02-07  1:44                 ` Philip Cummins
2002-02-07 13:56                 ` Ian Wild [this message]
2002-02-07 17:25                   ` Ray Blaak
2002-02-07 19:20                     ` Hyman Rosen
2002-02-07 21:36                       ` David Brown
2002-02-08 10:36                         ` Ian Wild
2002-02-08 12:23                           ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2002-02-08 12:51                             ` Ian Wild
2002-02-08 14:28                               ` Marin David Condic
2002-02-08 15:52                               ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2002-02-08 13:08                             ` Nick Roberts
2002-02-08 21:28                               ` Matthew Woodcraft
2002-02-08 21:45                               ` Nick Roberts
2002-02-08 22:44                                 ` Darren New
2002-02-09  0:39                           ` David Brown
2002-02-18  3:54                 ` David Thompson
2002-02-06 14:59             ` Ian S. Nelson
2002-01-31 18:28     ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2002-01-31  2:37 ` Jim Rogers
2002-01-31 15:02   ` Marin David Condic
2002-01-31 18:28     ` Steve O'Neill
2002-01-31 19:41       ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-01-31 19:53         ` martin.m.dowie
2002-01-31 20:06         ` Marin David Condic
2002-01-31 21:06         ` Steve O'Neill
2002-01-31 22:28           ` Marin David Condic
2002-01-31 19:42       ` Marin David Condic
2002-01-31 18:41     ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2002-01-31 19:52       ` Marin David Condic
2002-02-01 18:31         ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2002-02-01 12:28     ` David Gillon
2002-02-01 21:02       ` Marin David Condic
2002-02-02  4:05         ` Adrian Hoe
2002-02-02 12:51           ` Jeffrey Creem
2002-02-04 15:58           ` Marin David Condic
2002-02-02  4:02       ` Adrian Hoe
2002-02-02 17:35         ` tmoran
2002-02-01  1:42 ` Randy Brukardt
2002-02-01 16:56   ` Nick Roberts
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2002-02-06  7:02 Christoph Grein
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