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From: Carsten Freining <freining@informatik.uni-jena.de>
Subject: Re: Ada2005
Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 13:59:38 +0100
Date: 2001-12-12T12:56:52+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3C1754BA.C4560423@informatik.uni-jena.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 9v7f26$qn2$1@infosun2.rus.uni-stuttgart.de

Hello Peter,

I think Ada95 needs a very urgent revision.

1. There are many things that have been overtaken by Ada83 and can be
removed now. Since everybody knew it would be removed no new software should
rely on it.

Another point is the use of unicode characters in identifiers.

2. There are many problems that have been created by Ada95.

Best example is the object oriented part, because it is not possible to have
constants as components. There are no real bindings between methods (or
procedures) and the belonging class. It is just a package.

And there is still the fixed length String. I don't think it is neccessary.
It would be better to have only the bounded-length string. For downwards
compatibility they both can still be available, but I think it is an ancient
thing to still have a fixed length String were only String with exactly the
same length can be assigned.

These are only the examples coming to my mind reading, that Ada95 needs no
revision. There are many more (it is just hard to put them together in a
couple of minutes). We went through the rational and compared the stuff
there with the Standard and we found many things, where ada 95 has been
behind all other techniques right from the start.

Since I work at the university, teaching students about programming
languages, I have to state, that it is not possible, to use the standard in
education. You can only use a subset of Ada, because most things are not
understandable for students, especially in the beginning of their studies. I
think only to make the standard more clear it is neccessary to go through
the standard and make important changes to clearify it.

Greetings,

Carsten Freining.

Peter Hermann schrieb:

> Peter Hermann <ica2ph@iris16.csv.ica.uni-stuttgart.de> wrote:
> > What about fixing it to Ada2005?
>
> some clarification:
>
> Ada9X was called in this way, because the X=5 was not known before.
>
> Every industry standard has to be revised every 10 years (ISO).
>
> The current Ada95 standard is excellent enough to not needing
> urgent revision.
>
> --
> --Peter Hermann(49)0711-685-3611 fax3758 ica2ph@csv.ica.uni-stuttgart.de
> --Pfaffenwaldring 27 Raum 114, D-70569 Stuttgart Uni Computeranwendungen
> --http://www.csv.ica.uni-stuttgart.de/homes/ph/
> --Team Ada: "C'mon people let the world begin" (Paul McCartney)




  parent reply	other threads:[~2001-12-12 12:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 83+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-12-11  9:33 Ada2005 Peter Hermann
2001-12-11 11:05 ` Ada2005 M. A. Alves
2001-12-11 11:55   ` Ada2005 Aaro Koskinen
2001-12-11 14:49     ` Ada2005 Wes Groleau
2001-12-11 14:58     ` Ada2005 Marin David Condic
2001-12-11 15:18       ` Ada2005 Ted Dennison
2001-12-12  8:37       ` Ada2005 Alfred Hilscher
2001-12-11 11:23 ` Ada2005 Martin Dowie
2001-12-11 11:54 ` Ada2005 Preben Randhol
2001-12-11 12:06 ` Ada2005 Larry Kilgallen
2001-12-11 14:39 ` Ada2005 Ted Dennison
2001-12-12  4:39   ` Ada2005 Jeffrey Carter
2001-12-13 18:39   ` Ada2005 Randy Brukardt
2001-12-12 11:29 ` Ada2005 Peter Hermann
2001-12-12 12:42   ` Ada2005 Larry Kilgallen
2001-12-12 12:51   ` Ada2005 Martin Dowie
2001-12-12 12:59   ` Carsten Freining [this message]
2001-12-12 14:40     ` Ada2005 Peter Hermann
2001-12-12 15:16       ` Ada2005 Ted Dennison
2001-12-12 15:37         ` Ada2005 Larry Kilgallen
2001-12-12 17:49           ` Ada2005 Ted Dennison
2001-12-12 18:02         ` Ada2005 tmoran
2001-12-12 18:17           ` Ada2005 Ted Dennison
2001-12-12 18:31             ` Ada2005 Sergey Koshcheyev
2001-12-12 19:08               ` Ada2005 Ted Dennison
2001-12-12 18:14         ` Ada2005 Mark Lundquist
2001-12-12 18:40           ` Ada2005 Ted Dennison
2001-12-12 19:12             ` Ada2005 Mark Lundquist
2001-12-12 19:41               ` Ada2005 Ted Dennison
2001-12-13 20:07         ` Ada2005 Ted Dennison
2001-12-14  4:40       ` Ada2005 Patrick Hohmeyer
2001-12-14  9:55         ` Ada2005 Lutz Donnerhacke
2001-12-14 10:36         ` Ada2005 Dmitry A. Kazakov
2001-12-17 18:40         ` Ada2005 Matthew Heaney
2001-12-12 18:04     ` Ada2005 Mark Lundquist
2001-12-12 21:25       ` Ada2005 Mark Lundquist
2001-12-13 18:40         ` Ada2005 Stephen Leake
2001-12-13 19:01           ` Ada2005 Mark Lundquist
2001-12-14 17:17             ` Ada2005 Stephen Leake
2001-12-13  9:11       ` Ada2005 Dmitry A. Kazakov
2001-12-17 17:50         ` Ada2005 Ray Blaak
2001-12-18 11:55           ` Ada2005 Dmitry A. Kazakov
2001-12-18 19:51             ` Ada2005 Ray Blaak
2001-12-19  8:34               ` Ada2005 Dmitry A. Kazakov
2001-12-19 13:30                 ` Ada2005 Mark Lundquist
2001-12-19 18:23                 ` Ada2005 Ray Blaak
2001-12-19 18:20           ` Ada2005 Mark Lundquist
2001-12-19 19:19             ` Ada2005 Ray Blaak
2001-12-20 14:17             ` Ada2005 Dmitry A. Kazakov
2001-12-20 11:24       ` Ada2005 Carsten Freining
2001-12-20 14:27         ` Ada2005 Mark Lundquist
2001-12-20 15:01         ` Ada2005 Matthew Woodcraft
2001-12-20 15:45         ` Ada2005 Mark Lundquist
2001-12-20 16:20           ` Ada2005 Mark Lundquist
2001-12-13 18:13     ` Ada2005 Georg Bauhaus
2001-12-20 16:34 ` Math Libraries (was Re: Ada2005) Marin David Condic
2001-12-20 20:14   ` FGD
2001-12-20 20:34     ` Marin David Condic
2001-12-21 17:21       ` FGD
2001-12-21 18:08         ` Marin David Condic
2001-12-21 19:40           ` tmoran
2001-12-21 19:45             ` Marin David Condic
2001-12-21 20:35             ` Dan Nagle
2001-12-21 20:31           ` Eric Merritt
2001-12-22 16:56           ` Math Update for Ada 2005 Steven Deller
2001-12-23 15:13             ` Robert Dewar
2001-12-23 22:43               ` Brian Rogoff
2001-12-22 21:48           ` Math Libraries (was Re: Ada2005) FGD
2002-01-02 14:20         ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2001-12-20 23:20   ` Robert C. Leif, Ph.D.
2001-12-21 14:49     ` Marin David Condic
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2001-12-12 14:05 Ada2005 Peter Hermann
2002-12-17  7:15 Ada2005 Karel Miklav
2002-12-17 11:43 ` Ada2005 Peter Amey
2002-12-17 15:11   ` Ada2005 Robert A Duff
2002-12-17 14:14 ` Ada2005 Ted Dennison
2002-12-17 15:54   ` Ada2005 Peter Hermann
2002-12-18  9:04     ` Ada2005 Anders Wirzenius
2002-12-18 14:48       ` Ada2005 Ted Dennison
2002-12-19  9:01         ` Ada2005 Anders Wirzenius
2005-03-24 14:36 Ada2005 Szymon Guz
2005-03-24 15:30 ` Ada2005 Xaelis
2005-03-24 15:32 ` Ada2005 Larry Kilgallen
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