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From: Jeffrey Carter <jrcarter@acm.org>
Subject: Re: Container reqs
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 02:09:37 GMT
Date: 2001-10-23T02:09:37+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3BD4D157.C96BBAAD@acm.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: ug08bgnu2.fsf@gsfc.nasa.gov

Stephen Leake wrote:
> 
> PragmARC does _not_ support indefinite types, which are a large part
> of Ada (strings, unconstrained variant records, tagged types with
> unconstrained discriminants). In addition, the comment says "no
> scalars"; I'm not clear why.

That is correct. Raw indefinite types are not reasonable types to store
in a data structure. If you need to store strings, you should be using
an abstraction such as (Un)Bounded_String. Similar abstractions should
be used for other indefinite types.

The problem with scalars is that there is a range check required on copy
in for a scalar parameter of mode in out. The PragmARCs pass
uninitialized objects of type Element to the To parameter of Assign. If
Element is a scalar subtype (such as Positive) and an object's
uninitialized value is out of the subtype's range (-7), Constraint_Error
would be raised. For scalar types that cannot have an out of range value
(Integer), this is not an issue, but for a simple-minded rule, no
scalars is easily stated. It is a simple matter to wrap a scalar in a
record if it's really needed, but experience shows that data structures
are almost always used for more complex types. It's a reasonable trade
off for being able to handle limited types without access types.

> So I don't think PragmARC meets the criteria of "simple instantiation
> for all reasonable Ada types".
> 
> Perhaps we disagree on the meaning of "reasonable" here.

So it would seem. I think SAL doesn't provide simple instantiation for
any Ada type.

-- 
Jeffrey R. Carter
PragmAda Software Engineering



  reply	other threads:[~2001-10-23  2:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 114+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-10-14 20:46 Container reqs Ehud Lamm
2001-10-14 22:00 ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-10-15 20:04   ` Ehud Lamm
2001-10-16 15:19     ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-16 19:17     ` Darren New
2001-10-14 22:52 ` James Rogers
2001-10-15  1:22   ` Darren New
2001-10-15 20:06   ` Ehud Lamm
2001-10-16 18:29     ` Stephen Leake
2001-10-17  5:55     ` Simon Wright
2001-10-15 20:15   ` Ehud Lamm
2001-10-15  6:49 ` Jeffrey Carter
2001-10-16 15:25   ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-17 12:40     ` John English
2001-10-17 13:16       ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-18 15:26         ` John English
2001-10-18 16:02           ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-17 14:17       ` Ehud Lamm
2001-10-23  8:17         ` John English
2001-10-23 14:23           ` Ehud Lamm
2001-10-23 20:07             ` Stephen Leake
2001-10-23 20:46               ` Ehud Lamm
2001-10-23 20:50               ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-23 21:18                 ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-24  8:30                   ` Ehud Lamm
2001-10-24 14:08                     ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-25 20:10                       ` Ehud Lamm
2001-10-25 21:18                         ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-25 21:25                         ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-23 21:27                 ` Larry Hazel
2001-10-23 22:03                   ` Ehud Lamm
2001-10-15 14:27 ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-15 17:47   ` Darren New
2001-10-15 20:08   ` Ehud Lamm
2001-10-17  6:08     ` Simon Wright
2001-10-18 20:52       ` Ehud Lamm
2001-10-18 22:29         ` Jeffrey Carter
2001-10-19 12:10           ` Georg Bauhaus
2001-10-19 15:36           ` Stephen Leake
2001-10-19 14:53             ` Ehud Lamm
2001-10-20 11:10               ` Simon Wright
2001-10-21 18:17               ` Stephen Leake
2001-10-22 17:02                 ` Ehud Lamm
2001-10-22 17:34                   ` David Botton
2001-10-22 18:02                     ` Ehud Lamm
2001-10-20  2:44             ` Jeffrey Carter
2001-10-21 18:24               ` Stephen Leake
2001-10-23  1:13               ` Stephen Leake
2001-10-23  2:09                 ` Jeffrey Carter [this message]
2001-10-23 13:29                   ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-24  2:26                     ` Jeffrey Carter
2001-10-24 13:54                       ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-24 14:02                         ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2001-10-24 14:24                         ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-24 19:01                         ` Stephen Leake
2001-10-25  1:40                         ` Jeffrey Carter
2001-10-15 14:39 ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2001-10-15 15:36   ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-16 18:47     ` Stephen Leake
2001-10-16 19:18       ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-15 20:13   ` Ehud Lamm
2001-10-16  8:14     ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2001-10-16  8:50       ` Ehud Lamm
2001-10-16 10:12         ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2001-10-16  9:45   ` Jean-Marc Bourguet
2001-10-16 13:20     ` Ehud Lamm
2001-10-16 15:34       ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-16 18:49         ` Stephen Leake
2001-10-17  6:02         ` Simon Wright
2001-10-16 17:21     ` Jeffrey Carter
2001-10-16 18:57       ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-16 18:59       ` Stephen Leake
2001-10-16 19:38         ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-16 20:01           ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-10-16 20:19             ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-30  6:53           ` Barry Kelly
2001-10-30 14:53             ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-30 16:14             ` Jean-Marc Bourguet
2001-10-30 16:55               ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-31  6:37                 ` Simon Wright
2001-10-30 17:45             ` Stephen Leake
2001-10-16 22:12         ` Robert*
2001-10-17  7:09       ` Jean-Marc Bourguet
2001-10-17 13:36         ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-17 14:12           ` Jean-Marc Bourguet
2001-10-17 15:15             ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-17 16:32               ` Jean-Marc Bourguet
2001-10-17 16:49                 ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-17 16:55                   ` Ehud Lamm
2001-10-18  7:39                 ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2001-10-18  9:03                   ` Jean-Marc Bourguet
2001-10-18 17:25                     ` Jeffrey Carter
2001-10-18 20:09                       ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2001-10-18 22:35                         ` Jeffrey Carter
2001-10-19  8:44                           ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2001-10-20 11:14                             ` Simon Wright
2001-10-21 16:37                               ` Paul Duquennoy
2001-10-17 17:18         ` Jeffrey Carter
2001-10-18  8:59           ` Jean-Marc Bourguet
2001-10-18 19:42         ` Simon Wright
2001-10-18 20:55           ` Ehud Lamm
2001-10-22  6:46       ` Kenneth Almquist
2001-10-22  8:04         ` mike
2001-10-22  8:42           ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2001-10-22 16:30         ` Jeffrey Carter
2001-10-22 17:14           ` Ehud Lamm
2001-10-16 11:37 ` Jean-Marc Bourguet
2001-10-16 13:23   ` Ehud Lamm
2001-10-16 13:39     ` Jean-Marc Bourguet
2001-10-16 15:36     ` Vincent Marciante
2001-10-16 16:15       ` Pat Rogers
2001-10-16 19:04     ` Stephen Leake
2001-10-16 15:53   ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-16 15:58     ` Jean-Marc Bourguet
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