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From: James Rogers <jimmaureenrogers@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: The caselessness is one of the things I like best!
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 12:54:16 GMT
Date: 2001-10-15T12:54:16+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3BCADC8A.7CADA027@worldnet.att.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: slrn9sle58.gs.gerhard.nospam@lilith.hqd-internal

Gerhard H�ring wrote:
> 
> On Mon, 15 Oct 2001 14:06:18 +0200, Petter Fryklund <qsbpefr@esavionics.se> wrote:
> > If the only difference between two entities is the case,  I think the
> > program will be very hard to maintain.
> 
> True. The compiler probably should show a warning in this case. But
> Ada's case insensitivity is so stupid it hurts. Don't tell me it's
> needed for your weird 7 bit processor with EBDIC (sp?) character set.
> Cross-compile if you need to support such broken processors.
> 
> I want inconsistent casing to be a syntax error in a language. Oh yes.
> And the keywords be either lower or upper case, too (I'd prefer upper
> case as in MODULA-2/3).

Ada intentionally left out case sensitivity because of its emphasis
on human readability. There was no processor-based reason as you have
implied. In fact, it takes less code to parse a string with case
sensitivity than with case insensitivity.

Case sensitivity as found in C, C++, and Java leads to people using
several identifiers such as "Count", "count", and "COUNT" in the
same code. Human brains have been trained to ignore such differences
in text. The use of such similar identifiers can cause serious
confusion for humans reading your code.

Note that the C family of languages provides case sensitivity
without enforcing consistent casing. It merely identifies 
instances of improperly defined identifiers. Your proposal to make
Ada case sensitive and enforce consistent case usage would be just
as repulsive to C programmers as is case insensitivity.

When you make the claim that Ada would be popular if it jus looked
like C, you imply that C programmers do not want to learn another
language. It is like saying that Swedish would be more popular if
it just looked like French. 

Look at the reaction of C "hard heads". They find both C++ and Java
revolting. Making Ada look like C++ or Java would reduce Ada's
readability without making it one bit more popular. There would be
nothing to gain from such a move.

Jim Rogers
Colorado Springs, Colorado USA



  parent reply	other threads:[~2001-10-15 12:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 85+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-10-15  8:21 Why not combine Ada and C++? Mike Meng
2001-10-15 10:29 ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-10-15 10:36 ` Robert*
2001-10-15 11:15 ` Stephen Cole
2001-10-15 12:06   ` The caselessness is one of the things I like best! Petter Fryklund
2001-10-15 12:21     ` Gerhard Häring
2001-10-15 12:48       ` UPPERCASE is the typgraphical equivalent of shouting ;-) Petter Fryklund
2001-10-15 12:54       ` James Rogers [this message]
2001-10-15 13:11       ` The caselessness is one of the things I like best! Larry Kilgallen
2001-10-15 15:12         ` Arthur Evans Jr
2001-10-15 16:00           ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-10-18 19:48             ` Simon Wright
2001-10-18 23:35               ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-10-16  8:48           ` John English
2001-10-16 13:11             ` James Rogers
2001-10-16 18:10               ` tmoran
2001-10-17  8:53                 ` Philip Anderson
2001-10-17 10:57                   ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-10-19 14:52               ` john mann
2001-10-15 15:13       ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-15 17:00       ` tmoran
2001-10-15 17:29         ` Gerhard Häring
2001-10-15 17:38           ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-10-15 18:01             ` Gerhard Häring
2001-10-15 19:04               ` David Starner
2001-10-15 18:15           ` David Starner
2001-10-15 17:35         ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-15 18:18           ` Pascal Obry
2001-10-15 18:57             ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-15 22:46           ` Jeffrey Carter
2001-10-16 13:32             ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-22  2:10             ` David Thompson
2001-10-15 13:03     ` Alfred Hilscher
2001-10-22 20:27     ` Kenneth Almquist
2001-10-15 14:39   ` Why not combine Ada and C++? Marin David Condic
2001-10-15 16:17     ` Alfred Hilscher
2001-10-15 16:35       ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-15 20:15         ` Robert*
2001-10-15 21:27           ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-15 22:50           ` Jeffrey Carter
2001-10-18 19:53             ` Simon Wright
2001-10-21  5:54               ` AG
2001-10-24 14:48     ` A UNISYS story Petter Fryklund
2001-10-24 15:03       ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-25  7:37         ` Petter Fryklund
2001-10-15 17:41   ` Why not combine Ada and C++? Stephen Cole
2001-10-15 18:27     ` tmoran
2001-10-15 20:24       ` Wes Groleau
2001-10-15 20:03     ` Wes Groleau
2001-10-15 18:42   ` Modern languages are case sensitive? Jeffrey Carter
2001-10-15 19:20     ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-10-15 22:54       ` Jeffrey Carter
2001-10-16 11:21         ` Dmitry Kazakov
2001-10-16 11:42     ` Robert Dewar
2001-10-16 13:16       ` Dale Stanbrough
2001-10-16 23:43         ` David Botton
2001-10-17  1:42           ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-10-16 14:36       ` Arthur Evans Jr
2001-10-16 14:50       ` Chris Morgan
2001-10-16 15:18       ` Florian Weimer
2001-10-16 15:47         ` Wes Groleau
2001-10-16 16:48           ` Florian Weimer
2001-10-16 17:12         ` David Starner
2001-10-16 20:32           ` Florian Weimer
2001-10-16 21:37             ` David Starner
2001-10-17  8:39               ` Florian Weimer
2001-10-18  0:00     ` Will
2001-10-18  2:12       ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-10-18  2:32         ` Darren New
2001-10-18 11:32           ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-10-15 19:47   ` Why not combine Ada and C++? Wes Groleau
2001-10-23  5:39     ` Hyman Rosen
2001-10-23  6:11       ` Richard Riehle
2001-10-15 19:28 ` Baugereau
2001-10-15 20:05   ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-16  7:38     ` Martin Dowie
2001-10-16 11:44       ` Pascal Obry
     [not found] ` <01c155a0$7dd31b80$1b7af2c3@akzvbymr>
2001-10-15 20:02   ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-15 20:55   ` Adrian Knoth
2001-10-15 22:15   ` Eric Merritt
2001-10-15 22:42   ` tmoran
     [not found]     ` <01c15665$dc2e6c00$9b29e8d4@akzvbymr>
2001-10-16 17:48       ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-16 18:04       ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-10-16 23:01         ` tmoran
2001-10-16 18:51       ` Marin David Condic
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