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From: Jeffrey Carter <jeffrey.carter@boeing.com>
Subject: Re: why not "standardize" the Booch Components?  (was Re: is Ada dying?)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 17:30:24 GMT
Date: 2001-10-11T17:30:24+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3BC5D730.DA950CC7@boeing.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: Bggx7.314$KN5.148429887@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com

Pat Rogers wrote:
> 
> Many of us have developed libraries of reusable components over the years.
> It is a great way to learn a language.  We all have things we like about
> them.  Some are extensive and well done.  However, we would all clearly
> benefit by agreeing to make one of them the de facto standard.  (Formal
> standardization is desirable too, IMHO.)
> 
> I propose the Booch Components be that standard.  If there is a better suite
> I haven't seen it and I've seen many of them.  However, there may very well
> be a better collection of components.  Let's discuss them.

I have serious reservations about the BCs. They are based on theory
rather than practical use. Booch developed his taxonomy which determines
what components exist. Does the developer really need to choose from 21
(or whatever the number is now) different queues? In my experience, the
answer is no. Both bounded and unbounded variants are needed, with both
protected and unprotected variants of each (the unprotected variants are
primarily for creating structures of structures, which the BCs did not
permit the last time I looked at them). Within the protected forms, a
blocking variant is needed. That gives 6 variants of queues, which my
experience shows are useful over 90% of the time. They also provide the
building blocks if you really need a lesser used variant.

A similar thing arises from the partitioning of operations into
modifiers and selectors. Everyone is used to pushing things onto a stack
and popping things off. But popping something off a stack involves both
modifying the stack and selecting a value from the stack. Theory says
this is a No-No, so we'll separate them into Pop, the modifier, and Top,
the selector. Of course, in practical use, every call to Top is
immediately followed by a call to Pop, indicating that the real
operation on the abstraction combines these 2 theoretical operations.

The GRACE components from EVB also distinguished between constructors
and modifiers. This resulted in what should have been simple code such
as

loop
   exit when End Of File;

   Read Item from File;
   Append Item to List;
end loop;

turning into

loop
   exit when End Of File;

   Read Item from File;

   if List is Empty then
      Construct List from Item;
   else
      Append Item to List;
   end if;
end loop;

unnecessarily complicating what should be simple code (of course, in
this small example it doesn't look too bad).

Thus, I suggest using components derived from practical considerations
rather than theoretical ones. Ten pragmatic Ada points to those who can
guess which ones I prefer.

-- 
Jeffrey Carter



  parent reply	other threads:[~2001-10-11 17:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 315+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-10-07 19:31 is Ada dying? Ralph M�ritz
2001-10-07 19:42 ` martin.m.dowie
2001-10-07 21:03   ` robert
2001-10-08 16:42     ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-08 17:33     ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-09  8:02       ` Reinert Korsnes
2001-10-08  8:56   ` John McCabe
2001-10-08 21:53     ` martin.m.dowie
2001-10-09  8:13       ` John McCabe
2001-10-09  9:12         ` Martin Dowie
2001-10-09 10:39           ` John McCabe
2001-10-09 11:48             ` Martin Dowie
2001-10-09 12:58             ` Peter Amey
2001-10-09 14:51         ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-10  8:08           ` John McCabe
2001-10-09 13:12       ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-09 14:40     ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-10  8:13       ` John McCabe
2001-10-10 17:45         ` Stephen Leake
2001-10-11  8:38           ` John McCabe
2001-10-07 20:09 ` Jeffrey Carter
2001-10-07 20:56   ` Ralph M�ritz
2001-10-08 23:49   ` Poul-Erik Andreasen
2001-10-09  8:19     ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2001-10-09 13:38     ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-09 14:50       ` Robert*
2001-10-09 16:05         ` James Rogers
2001-10-09 20:30         ` Al Christians
2001-10-09 20:32           ` Pat Rogers
2001-10-10 17:04           ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2001-10-10 17:02         ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2001-10-10 19:14           ` Robert*
2001-10-07 20:09 ` David Botton
2001-10-08  0:46   ` Richard Riehle
2001-10-08  1:23     ` David Botton
2001-10-08  4:02       ` Robert*
2001-10-08  4:49         ` James Rogers
2001-10-08  5:42           ` Navid Azimi
2001-10-08  6:11             ` Preben Randhol
2001-10-08 16:49               ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-08  9:26             ` John English
2001-10-08 14:37             ` James Rogers
2001-10-08 17:05             ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-08  6:09           ` Robert*
2001-10-08 15:35             ` James Rogers
2001-10-08 17:02               ` Robert*
2001-10-08 18:06                 ` Martin Dowie
2001-10-08 18:44                   ` Robert*
2001-10-09  3:42                   ` minyard
2001-10-12 14:21                     ` martin.m.dowie
2001-10-13 17:18                       ` Richard Riehle
2001-10-08 18:17                 ` James Rogers
2001-10-08 18:42                   ` David Starner
2001-10-11  9:22                     ` AG
2001-10-08 19:22                 ` Stephen Leake
2001-10-09  3:11                   ` Robert*
2001-10-09  4:28                     ` tmoran
2001-10-09  4:54                       ` Robert*
2001-10-09  6:23                         ` tmoran
2001-10-09 19:44                     ` Stephen Leake
2001-10-09 20:41                       ` James Rogers
2001-10-08 19:55                 ` Dalen Kruse
2001-10-09  3:33                   ` Robert*
2001-10-09 10:41                     ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-10-09 15:21                       ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-09 16:12                         ` translations [OT] Wes Groleau
2001-10-09 11:01                 ` is Ada dying? Florian Weimer
2001-10-09 12:40                 ` John English
2001-10-09 14:38                   ` Robert*
2001-10-09 16:22                     ` Pascal Obry
2001-10-10  9:09                     ` John English
2001-10-10  9:16                     ` John English
2001-10-08  8:44           ` Robert*
2001-10-09  4:49             ` Navid Azimi
2001-10-09  9:44             ` Preben Randhol
2001-10-09 10:00               ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2001-10-09 10:06                 ` Preben Randhol
2001-10-08  8:59         ` is Ada dying?(Perhaps a CPAN network is in order?) McDoobie
2001-10-07 20:49 ` is Ada dying? Larry Kilgallen
2001-10-08  9:30   ` John English
2001-10-08  0:19 ` Preben Randhol
2001-10-08  5:45 ` Michael Bode
2001-10-09  2:45   ` James Rogers
2001-10-09  5:33     ` Michael Bode
2001-10-09 15:49     ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-09 16:23       ` Wes Groleau
2001-10-28  8:25     ` Hyman Rosen
2001-10-28  9:53       ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-10-28 17:20         ` Brian Rogoff
2001-10-29 16:36       ` Tony Gair
2001-10-09 14:10   ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-09 15:14     ` Wes Groleau
2001-10-09 15:32       ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-08  6:40 ` Florian Weimer
2001-10-08  7:38 ` Robert*
2001-10-08  9:31   ` John McCabe
2001-10-08 20:25     ` Richard Riehle
2001-10-09  8:18       ` John McCabe
2001-10-09 15:10         ` Gary Scott
2001-10-10  8:15           ` John McCabe
2001-10-18  1:37             ` Gary Scott
2001-10-18 13:16               ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-18 16:01                 ` Wes Groleau
2001-10-18 17:54                   ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-18 19:06                     ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-19  0:00                 ` Gary Scott
2001-10-10  5:03         ` Richard Riehle
2001-10-10  8:25           ` John McCabe
2001-10-10 17:41             ` Stephen Leake
2001-10-11  8:42               ` John McCabe
2001-10-10 13:38           ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-11  8:41             ` John McCabe
2001-10-11 13:53               ` Ada on the 1750a (was Re: is Ada dying?) Marin David Condic
2001-10-11 16:21                 ` John McCabe
2001-10-08 17:16   ` is Ada dying? Ted Dennison
2001-10-08 14:59 ` Stephen Leake
2001-10-08 15:02 ` Robert Dewar
2001-10-08 18:11   ` David Starner
2001-10-09 14:42     ` Vincent Marciante
2001-10-08 17:25 ` chris.danx
2001-10-08 19:57   ` Gary Scott
2001-10-08 20:56     ` chris.danx
2001-10-09 15:06       ` Gary Scott
2001-10-09 14:15   ` John English
2001-10-09 17:22     ` chris.danx
2001-10-09 21:42     ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-09 22:49     ` Ehud Lamm
2001-10-11 12:11       ` webwarrior
2001-10-13 10:36         ` Ehud Lamm
2001-10-15  8:21           ` John McCabe
2001-10-15 10:24             ` Robert*
2001-10-15 16:10               ` John McCabe
2001-10-15 20:03                 ` Robert*
2001-10-15 22:05                   ` minyard
2001-10-15 22:16                     ` Wes Groleau
2001-10-16  2:01                       ` minyard
2001-10-16 12:53                   ` John McCabe
2001-10-15 19:43               ` Wes Groleau
2001-10-15 20:07                 ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-17 15:05               ` Israel Raj T
2001-10-17 16:50                 ` John McCabe
2001-10-17 17:50                   ` Brian Rogoff
2001-10-17 19:40                     ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-10-17 20:31                       ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-11 12:29       ` why not "standardize" the Booch Components? (was Re: is Ada dying?) Pat Rogers
2001-10-11 13:23         ` why not Ted Dennison
2001-10-11 16:14           ` minyard
2001-10-11 18:10             ` Marc A. Criley
2001-10-11 19:37             ` Ted Dennison
2001-12-01 17:24             ` Harri J Haataja
2001-12-04 10:18               ` Harri J Haataja
2001-10-11 20:34           ` Simon Wright
2001-10-12 13:44             ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-13  7:04               ` Simon Wright
2001-10-15 13:43                 ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-11 14:14         ` why not "standardize" the Booch Components? (was Re: is Ada dying?) Marin David Condic
2001-10-11 14:46           ` why not Ted Dennison
2001-10-11 14:37             ` Pat Rogers
2001-10-11 15:39               ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-11 15:24                 ` Pat Rogers
2001-10-11 18:55                   ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-11 15:04             ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-11 15:27               ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-11 14:46           ` why not "standardize" the Booch Components? (was Re: is Ada dying?) Pat Rogers
2001-10-11 15:30             ` why not Ted Dennison
2001-10-11 20:52             ` why not "standardize" the Booch Components? (was Re: is Ada dying?) Simon Wright
2001-10-11 15:26           ` Robert*
2001-10-11 16:02             ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-11 15:56               ` Pat Rogers
2001-10-11 17:50                 ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-11 18:59                   ` why not Ted Dennison
2001-10-11 19:20                     ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-12  0:10                       ` why not "standardize" the Booch Components? (was Re: is Ada dying?) Pat Rogers
2001-10-12 13:18                         ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-12 13:51                           ` Pat Rogers
2001-10-12 13:55                           ` why not Ted Dennison
2001-10-12 14:04                             ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-12 13:50                       ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-11 20:43             ` why not "standardize" the Booch Components? (was Re: is Ada dying?) Simon Wright
2001-10-11 18:59           ` Pascal Obry
2001-10-11 19:33             ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-11 20:52               ` Pascal Obry
2001-10-11 21:32                 ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-12  1:05                   ` mitch
2001-10-12 13:28                     ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-12 14:15                       ` why not Ted Dennison
2001-10-12 13:39                   ` why not "standardize" the Booch Components? (was Re: is Ada dying?) Simon Wright
2001-10-12 12:11                 ` Marc A. Criley
2001-10-12 13:30                 ` Simon Wright
2001-10-11 20:40           ` Simon Wright
2001-10-11 21:42             ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-11 17:30         ` Jeffrey Carter [this message]
2001-10-11 18:44           ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-12  8:30             ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2001-10-12  8:41               ` Jean-Marc Bourguet
2001-10-12  8:48                 ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2001-10-12 13:47                   ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-12 14:09                 ` why not Ted Dennison
2001-10-12 16:50                   ` Jeffrey Carter
2001-10-12 18:35                     ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-13  2:57                       ` Jeffrey Carter
2001-10-15 13:47                         ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-16 14:44                         ` Stephen Leake
2001-10-16 15:13                           ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-16 16:14                             ` Pat Rogers
2001-10-16 16:53                               ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-16 16:57                               ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-27 18:51                               ` Pat Rogers
2001-10-29 15:24                                 ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-30  5:49                                   ` Barry Kelly
2001-10-30 15:35                                     ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-30 17:09                                       ` Pascal Obry
2001-10-30 17:41                                         ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-30 18:27                                       ` Darren New
2001-10-30 19:25                                         ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-30 21:44                                           ` Darren New
2001-10-30 23:08                                             ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-31  5:30                                               ` Hyman Rosen
2001-10-31 14:03                                                 ` David Botton
2001-10-31 15:51                                                   ` Matthew Heaney
2001-10-31 16:37                                                     ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-31 18:56                                                       ` Matthew Heaney
2001-11-01 15:22                                                         ` Ted Dennison
2001-11-01 16:13                                                           ` Matthew Heaney
2001-11-01 16:35                                                           ` Marin David Condic
2001-11-01 17:40                                                             ` Matthew Heaney
2001-11-11 19:50                                                               ` Ehud Lamm
2001-11-12 17:07                                                                 ` Ted Dennison
2001-11-12 19:02                                                                   ` Marin David Condic
2001-11-13  2:42                                                                   ` Jeffrey Carter
2001-11-13 14:15                                                                     ` Ted Dennison
2001-11-02  5:21                                                             ` Hyman Rosen
2001-11-01  6:07                                                     ` Hyman Rosen
2001-11-01 15:09                                                     ` Ted Dennison
2001-11-11 19:47                                                 ` Ehud Lamm
2001-10-31 18:09                                               ` Darren New
2001-10-31 18:27                                                 ` Matthew Heaney
2001-10-31 19:37                                                   ` Darren New
2001-10-31 21:29                                                     ` Marin David Condic
2001-11-01 19:26                                                       ` Darren New
2001-11-01 19:55                                                         ` Marin David Condic
2001-11-01 22:15                                                           ` Larry Hazel
2001-11-01 22:30                                                             ` Marin David Condic
2001-11-02 15:34                                                               ` Ted Dennison
2001-11-01 15:37                                                   ` Ted Dennison
2001-11-01 16:56                                                     ` Marin David Condic
2001-11-01 18:12                                                       ` Matthew Heaney
2001-11-01 18:26                                                         ` Marin David Condic
2001-11-01 20:08                                                           ` Darren New
2001-11-01 21:33                                                         ` Ted Dennison
2001-11-01 22:08                                                           ` Marin David Condic
2001-11-01 22:31                                                           ` Matthew Heaney
2001-11-02 15:05                                                       ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2001-11-01  7:23                                                 ` Mark Biggar
2001-11-01 15:08                                                   ` Marin David Condic
2001-11-01 16:18                                                     ` Matthew Heaney
2001-11-01 17:15                                                       ` Marin David Condic
2001-11-01 19:06                                                         ` Matthew Heaney
2001-11-01 19:29                                                           ` Marin David Condic
2001-11-01 21:40                                                             ` Ted Dennison
2001-11-02  5:27                                                           ` Hyman Rosen
2001-11-01 19:31                                                         ` Darren New
2001-11-01 20:11                                                           ` Marin David Condic
2001-11-01 20:15                                                           ` Matthew Heaney
2001-11-01 15:09                                                   ` Matthew Heaney
2001-10-30 15:07                                   ` Pat Rogers
2001-10-30 15:43                                     ` Questions - Polimorphism/Dynamic Binding Eric Merritt
2001-10-30 16:28                                       ` David Botton
2001-10-30 17:02                                         ` Eric Merritt
2001-10-30 22:28                                       ` Matthew Heaney
2001-10-30 23:04                                         ` Eric Merritt
2001-10-31  2:16                                           ` Matthew Heaney
2001-10-31 15:46                                             ` Eric Merritt
2001-10-31 16:26                                               ` Matthew Heaney
2001-10-31 16:50                                                 ` Eric Merritt
2001-10-30 15:55                                     ` why not Marin David Condic
2001-11-11 20:00                                     ` Ehud Lamm
2001-11-01 17:45                                   ` Jeffrey Carter
     [not found]                                   ` <jbfstt097fvrrqmrl0kuscmbl57n <3BE18A23.BC921FA9@boeing.com>
2001-11-01 18:23                                     ` Marin David Condic
2001-11-11 20:02                                       ` Ehud Lamm
2001-11-12 15:53                                         ` Marin David Condic
2001-11-12 19:27                                           ` Ehud Lamm
2001-11-01 21:42                                     ` Ted Dennison
2001-11-01 19:58                                   ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-11-01 20:16                                     ` Eric Merritt
2001-11-01 20:07                                   ` Jeffrey Carter
     [not found]                                   ` <jbfstt097fvrrqmrl0kuscmbl57nOrganization: LJK Software <wxjM7LDNji1I@eisner.encompasserve.org>
2001-11-01 20:19                                     ` Marin David Condic
     [not found]                                   ` <jbfstt097fvrrqmrl0kuscmbl57n <tu0i54ndv2q94d@corp.supernews.com>
2001-11-02  7:31                                     ` Simon Wright
2001-11-02 15:12                                       ` Matthew Heaney
     [not found]                                   ` <jbfstt097fvrrqmrl0kuscmbl57n <PMdE7.8703$xS6.11455@www.newsranger.com>
2001-11-02  7:40                                     ` Simon Wright
     [not found]                                   ` <jbfstt097fvrrqmrl0kuscmbl57n <3BE1A1D5.A1DC08AE@san.rr.com>
2001-11-02  7:46                                     ` Simon Wright
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2001-11-02  7:59                                     ` Simon Wright
2001-11-02 15:39                                       ` Ted Dennison
2001-11-02 18:58                                         ` Darren New
2001-10-16 16:01                           ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-16 19:25                             ` Stephen Leake
2001-10-16 20:19                               ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-16 17:10                         ` Jeffrey Carter
     [not found]                         ` <us <3BCC69F1.49E8A65@boeing.com>
2001-10-16 19:27                           ` Stephen Leake
2001-10-17  2:19                             ` Jeffrey Carter
     [not found]                         ` <us <9qhoti$d5f$1@nh.pace.co.uk>
2001-10-18 20:04                           ` Simon Wright
2001-10-18 20:56                             ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-19 11:52                               ` Simon Wright
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2001-10-31  6:52                           ` Simon Wright
2001-11-02 15:20                             ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-28  7:58                     ` Hyman Rosen
2001-10-13  7:28                   ` Simon Wright
2001-10-12 13:33               ` why not "standardize" the Booch Components? (was Re: is Ada dying?) Marin David Condic
2001-10-12 13:53               ` Wes Groleau
2001-10-12 13:34             ` Simon Wright
2001-10-12 13:32           ` Simon Wright
2001-10-08 21:34 ` is Ada dying? Ehud Lamm
2001-10-11  4:27 ` David Brown
2001-10-11 16:52   ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2001-10-12 14:20     ` Ted Dennison
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