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From: John English <je@brighton.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: is Ada dying?
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 10:16:24 +0100
Date: 2001-10-10T10:04:17+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3BC411E8.1496E06A@brighton.ac.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 9pv25o0ir6@drn.newsguy.com

"Robert*@" wrote:
> 
> In article <3BC2F035.FB6AA434@brighton.ac.uk>, John says...
> > and a permanently-handy API reference.
> 
> I am confused.
> 
> Are you saying a small standard library which does almost nothing, is
> better becuase then the programmer does not have to have an API handy
> to remember anything?
> 
> what kind of logic is this?
> 
> so I assume the language you will design will have only 'PUT' and 'GET' in
> it, this way no programmer will ever need a manual to use it (and of course
> no one will use the language becuase in the real world programmers need to
> do more things).

No, what I'm saying is that shunting linguistic features (e.g. tasking)
into the API increases the memory burden -- linguistic features need
a linguistic rationale, whereas with API design you're at the whim of
the API designer. You know there's a class containing a method, but
your knowledge of the language helps not at all to remember the name
of the class or the name of the method or the types and ordering of
the parameters. So e.g. slicing a string by writing str.substr(5,4)
is less clear IMHO that str(5..9) -- you have to remember that the
method is called "substr", not "subString" or "slice" or whatever,
and that the first parameter is a zero-based index, and that the
second is a length rather than another index. And you can't then
apply the same technique to another class like Vector, you have
to learn a different method name and set of parameters. You lose
orthogonality, basically.

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Thread overview: 320+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-10-07 19:31 is Ada dying? Ralph M�ritz
2001-10-07 19:42 ` martin.m.dowie
2001-10-07 21:03   ` robert
2001-10-08 16:42     ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-08 17:33     ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-09  8:02       ` Reinert Korsnes
2001-10-08  8:56   ` John McCabe
2001-10-08 21:53     ` martin.m.dowie
2001-10-09  8:13       ` John McCabe
2001-10-09  9:12         ` Martin Dowie
2001-10-09 10:39           ` John McCabe
2001-10-09 11:48             ` Martin Dowie
2001-10-09 12:58             ` Peter Amey
2001-10-09 14:51         ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-10  8:08           ` John McCabe
2001-10-09 13:12       ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-09 14:40     ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-10  8:13       ` John McCabe
2001-10-10 17:45         ` Stephen Leake
2001-10-11  8:38           ` John McCabe
2001-10-07 20:09 ` Jeffrey Carter
2001-10-07 20:56   ` Ralph M�ritz
2001-10-08 23:49   ` Poul-Erik Andreasen
2001-10-09  8:19     ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2001-10-09 13:38     ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-09 14:50       ` Robert*
2001-10-09 16:05         ` James Rogers
2001-10-09 20:30         ` Al Christians
2001-10-09 20:32           ` Pat Rogers
2001-10-10 17:04           ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2001-10-10 17:02         ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2001-10-10 19:14           ` Robert*
2001-10-07 20:09 ` David Botton
2001-10-08  0:46   ` Richard Riehle
2001-10-08  1:23     ` David Botton
2001-10-08  4:02       ` Robert*
2001-10-08  4:49         ` James Rogers
2001-10-08  5:42           ` Navid Azimi
2001-10-08  6:11             ` Preben Randhol
2001-10-08 16:49               ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-08  9:26             ` John English
2001-10-08 14:37             ` James Rogers
2001-10-08 17:05             ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-08  6:09           ` Robert*
2001-10-08 15:35             ` James Rogers
2001-10-08 17:02               ` Robert*
2001-10-08 18:06                 ` Martin Dowie
2001-10-08 18:44                   ` Robert*
2001-10-09  3:42                   ` minyard
2001-10-12 14:21                     ` martin.m.dowie
2001-10-13 17:18                       ` Richard Riehle
2001-10-08 18:17                 ` James Rogers
2001-10-08 18:42                   ` David Starner
2001-10-11  9:22                     ` AG
2001-10-08 19:22                 ` Stephen Leake
2001-10-09  3:11                   ` Robert*
2001-10-09  4:28                     ` tmoran
2001-10-09  4:54                       ` Robert*
2001-10-09  6:23                         ` tmoran
2001-10-09 19:44                     ` Stephen Leake
2001-10-09 20:41                       ` James Rogers
2001-10-08 19:55                 ` Dalen Kruse
2001-10-09  3:33                   ` Robert*
2001-10-09 10:41                     ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-10-09 15:21                       ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-09 16:12                         ` translations [OT] Wes Groleau
2001-10-09 11:01                 ` is Ada dying? Florian Weimer
2001-10-09 12:40                 ` John English
2001-10-09 14:38                   ` Robert*
2001-10-09 16:22                     ` Pascal Obry
2001-10-10  9:09                     ` John English
2001-10-10  9:16                     ` John English [this message]
2001-10-08  8:44           ` Robert*
2001-10-09  4:49             ` Navid Azimi
2001-10-09  9:44             ` Preben Randhol
2001-10-09 10:00               ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2001-10-09 10:06                 ` Preben Randhol
2001-10-08  8:59         ` is Ada dying?(Perhaps a CPAN network is in order?) McDoobie
2001-10-07 20:49 ` is Ada dying? Larry Kilgallen
2001-10-08  9:30   ` John English
2001-10-08  0:19 ` Preben Randhol
2001-10-08  5:45 ` Michael Bode
2001-10-09  2:45   ` James Rogers
2001-10-09  5:33     ` Michael Bode
2001-10-09 15:49     ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-09 16:23       ` Wes Groleau
2001-10-28  8:25     ` Hyman Rosen
2001-10-28  9:53       ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-10-28 17:20         ` Brian Rogoff
2001-10-29 16:36       ` Tony Gair
2001-10-09 14:10   ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-09 15:14     ` Wes Groleau
2001-10-09 15:32       ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-08  6:40 ` Florian Weimer
2001-10-08  7:38 ` Robert*
2001-10-08  9:31   ` John McCabe
2001-10-08 20:25     ` Richard Riehle
2001-10-09  8:18       ` John McCabe
2001-10-09 15:10         ` Gary Scott
2001-10-10  8:15           ` John McCabe
2001-10-18  1:37             ` Gary Scott
2001-10-18 13:16               ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-18 16:01                 ` Wes Groleau
2001-10-18 17:54                   ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-18 19:06                     ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-19  0:00                 ` Gary Scott
2001-10-10  5:03         ` Richard Riehle
2001-10-10  8:25           ` John McCabe
2001-10-10 17:41             ` Stephen Leake
2001-10-11  8:42               ` John McCabe
2001-10-10 13:38           ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-11  8:41             ` John McCabe
2001-10-11 13:53               ` Ada on the 1750a (was Re: is Ada dying?) Marin David Condic
2001-10-11 16:21                 ` John McCabe
2001-10-08 17:16   ` is Ada dying? Ted Dennison
2001-10-08 14:59 ` Stephen Leake
2001-10-08 15:02 ` Robert Dewar
2001-10-08 18:11   ` David Starner
2001-10-09 14:42     ` Vincent Marciante
2001-10-08 17:25 ` chris.danx
2001-10-08 19:57   ` Gary Scott
2001-10-08 20:56     ` chris.danx
2001-10-09 15:06       ` Gary Scott
2001-10-09 14:15   ` John English
2001-10-09 17:22     ` chris.danx
2001-10-09 21:42     ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-09 22:49     ` Ehud Lamm
2001-10-11 12:11       ` webwarrior
2001-10-13 10:36         ` Ehud Lamm
2001-10-15  8:21           ` John McCabe
2001-10-15 10:24             ` Robert*
2001-10-15 16:10               ` John McCabe
2001-10-15 20:03                 ` Robert*
2001-10-15 22:05                   ` minyard
2001-10-15 22:16                     ` Wes Groleau
2001-10-16  2:01                       ` minyard
2001-10-16 12:53                   ` John McCabe
2001-10-15 19:43               ` Wes Groleau
2001-10-15 20:07                 ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-17 15:05               ` Israel Raj T
2001-10-17 16:50                 ` John McCabe
2001-10-17 17:50                   ` Brian Rogoff
2001-10-17 19:40                     ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-10-17 20:31                       ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-11 12:29       ` why not "standardize" the Booch Components? (was Re: is Ada dying?) Pat Rogers
2001-10-11 13:23         ` why not Ted Dennison
2001-10-11 16:14           ` minyard
2001-10-11 18:10             ` Marc A. Criley
2001-10-11 19:37             ` Ted Dennison
2001-12-01 17:24             ` Harri J Haataja
2001-12-04 10:18               ` Harri J Haataja
2001-10-11 20:34           ` Simon Wright
2001-10-12 13:44             ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-13  7:04               ` Simon Wright
2001-10-15 13:43                 ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-11 14:14         ` why not "standardize" the Booch Components? (was Re: is Ada dying?) Marin David Condic
2001-10-11 14:46           ` why not Ted Dennison
2001-10-11 14:37             ` Pat Rogers
2001-10-11 15:39               ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-11 15:24                 ` Pat Rogers
2001-10-11 18:55                   ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-11 15:04             ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-11 15:27               ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-11 14:46           ` why not "standardize" the Booch Components? (was Re: is Ada dying?) Pat Rogers
2001-10-11 15:30             ` why not Ted Dennison
2001-10-11 20:52             ` why not "standardize" the Booch Components? (was Re: is Ada dying?) Simon Wright
2001-10-11 15:26           ` Robert*
2001-10-11 16:02             ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-11 15:56               ` Pat Rogers
2001-10-11 17:50                 ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-11 18:59                   ` why not Ted Dennison
2001-10-11 19:20                     ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-12  0:10                       ` why not "standardize" the Booch Components? (was Re: is Ada dying?) Pat Rogers
2001-10-12 13:18                         ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-12 13:51                           ` Pat Rogers
2001-10-12 13:55                           ` why not Ted Dennison
2001-10-12 14:04                             ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-12 13:50                       ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-11 20:43             ` why not "standardize" the Booch Components? (was Re: is Ada dying?) Simon Wright
2001-10-11 18:59           ` Pascal Obry
2001-10-11 19:33             ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-11 20:52               ` Pascal Obry
2001-10-11 21:32                 ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-12  1:05                   ` mitch
2001-10-12 13:28                     ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-12 14:15                       ` why not Ted Dennison
2001-10-12 13:39                   ` why not "standardize" the Booch Components? (was Re: is Ada dying?) Simon Wright
2001-10-12 12:11                 ` Marc A. Criley
2001-10-12 13:30                 ` Simon Wright
2001-10-11 20:40           ` Simon Wright
2001-10-11 21:42             ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-11 17:30         ` Jeffrey Carter
2001-10-11 18:44           ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-12  8:30             ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2001-10-12  8:41               ` Jean-Marc Bourguet
2001-10-12  8:48                 ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2001-10-12 13:47                   ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-12 14:09                 ` why not Ted Dennison
2001-10-12 16:50                   ` Jeffrey Carter
2001-10-12 18:35                     ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-13  2:57                       ` Jeffrey Carter
2001-10-15 13:47                         ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-16 14:44                         ` Stephen Leake
2001-10-16 15:13                           ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-16 16:14                             ` Pat Rogers
2001-10-16 16:53                               ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-16 16:57                               ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-27 18:51                               ` Pat Rogers
2001-10-29 15:24                                 ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-30  5:49                                   ` Barry Kelly
2001-10-30 15:35                                     ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-30 17:09                                       ` Pascal Obry
2001-10-30 17:41                                         ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-30 18:27                                       ` Darren New
2001-10-30 19:25                                         ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-30 21:44                                           ` Darren New
2001-10-30 23:08                                             ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-31  5:30                                               ` Hyman Rosen
2001-10-31 14:03                                                 ` David Botton
2001-10-31 15:51                                                   ` Matthew Heaney
2001-10-31 16:37                                                     ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-31 18:56                                                       ` Matthew Heaney
2001-11-01 15:22                                                         ` Ted Dennison
2001-11-01 16:13                                                           ` Matthew Heaney
2001-11-01 16:35                                                           ` Marin David Condic
2001-11-01 17:40                                                             ` Matthew Heaney
2001-11-11 19:50                                                               ` Ehud Lamm
2001-11-12 17:07                                                                 ` Ted Dennison
2001-11-12 19:02                                                                   ` Marin David Condic
2001-11-13  2:42                                                                   ` Jeffrey Carter
2001-11-13 14:15                                                                     ` Ted Dennison
2001-11-02  5:21                                                             ` Hyman Rosen
2001-11-01  6:07                                                     ` Hyman Rosen
2001-11-01 15:09                                                     ` Ted Dennison
2001-11-11 19:47                                                 ` Ehud Lamm
2001-10-31 18:09                                               ` Darren New
2001-10-31 18:27                                                 ` Matthew Heaney
2001-10-31 19:37                                                   ` Darren New
2001-10-31 21:29                                                     ` Marin David Condic
2001-11-01 19:26                                                       ` Darren New
2001-11-01 19:55                                                         ` Marin David Condic
2001-11-01 22:15                                                           ` Larry Hazel
2001-11-01 22:30                                                             ` Marin David Condic
2001-11-02 15:34                                                               ` Ted Dennison
2001-11-01 15:37                                                   ` Ted Dennison
2001-11-01 16:56                                                     ` Marin David Condic
2001-11-01 18:12                                                       ` Matthew Heaney
2001-11-01 18:26                                                         ` Marin David Condic
2001-11-01 20:08                                                           ` Darren New
2001-11-01 21:33                                                         ` Ted Dennison
2001-11-01 22:08                                                           ` Marin David Condic
2001-11-01 22:31                                                           ` Matthew Heaney
2001-11-02 15:05                                                       ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2001-11-01  7:23                                                 ` Mark Biggar
2001-11-01 15:08                                                   ` Marin David Condic
2001-11-01 16:18                                                     ` Matthew Heaney
2001-11-01 17:15                                                       ` Marin David Condic
2001-11-01 19:06                                                         ` Matthew Heaney
2001-11-01 19:29                                                           ` Marin David Condic
2001-11-01 21:40                                                             ` Ted Dennison
2001-11-02  5:27                                                           ` Hyman Rosen
2001-11-01 19:31                                                         ` Darren New
2001-11-01 20:11                                                           ` Marin David Condic
2001-11-01 20:15                                                           ` Matthew Heaney
2001-11-01 15:09                                                   ` Matthew Heaney
2001-10-30 15:07                                   ` Pat Rogers
2001-10-30 15:43                                     ` Questions - Polimorphism/Dynamic Binding Eric Merritt
2001-10-30 16:28                                       ` David Botton
2001-10-30 17:02                                         ` Eric Merritt
2001-10-30 22:28                                       ` Matthew Heaney
2001-10-30 23:04                                         ` Eric Merritt
2001-10-31  2:16                                           ` Matthew Heaney
2001-10-31 15:46                                             ` Eric Merritt
2001-10-31 16:26                                               ` Matthew Heaney
2001-10-31 16:50                                                 ` Eric Merritt
2001-10-30 15:55                                     ` why not Marin David Condic
2001-11-11 20:00                                     ` Ehud Lamm
2001-11-01 17:45                                   ` Jeffrey Carter
     [not found]                                   ` <jbfstt097fvrrqmrl0kuscmbl57n <3BE18A23.BC921FA9@boeing.com>
2001-11-01 18:23                                     ` Marin David Condic
2001-11-11 20:02                                       ` Ehud Lamm
2001-11-12 15:53                                         ` Marin David Condic
2001-11-12 19:27                                           ` Ehud Lamm
2001-11-01 21:42                                     ` Ted Dennison
2001-11-01 19:58                                   ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-11-01 20:16                                     ` Eric Merritt
2001-11-01 20:07                                   ` Jeffrey Carter
     [not found]                                   ` <jbfstt097fvrrqmrl0kuscmbl57nOrganization: LJK Software <wxjM7LDNji1I@eisner.encompasserve.org>
2001-11-01 20:19                                     ` Marin David Condic
     [not found]                                   ` <jbfstt097fvrrqmrl0kuscmbl57n <tu0i54ndv2q94d@corp.supernews.com>
2001-11-02  7:31                                     ` Simon Wright
2001-11-02 15:12                                       ` Matthew Heaney
     [not found]                                   ` <jbfstt097fvrrqmrl0kuscmbl57n <PMdE7.8703$xS6.11455@www.newsranger.com>
2001-11-02  7:40                                     ` Simon Wright
     [not found]                                   ` <jbfstt097fvrrqmrl0kuscmbl57n <3BE1A1D5.A1DC08AE@san.rr.com>
2001-11-02  7:46                                     ` Simon Wright
     [not found]                                   ` <jbfstt097fvrrqmrl0kuscmbl57n <VijE7.9164$xS6.12867@www.newsranger.com>
2001-11-02  7:59                                     ` Simon Wright
2001-11-02 15:39                                       ` Ted Dennison
2001-11-02 18:58                                         ` Darren New
2001-10-16 16:01                           ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-16 19:25                             ` Stephen Leake
2001-10-16 20:19                               ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-16 17:10                         ` Jeffrey Carter
     [not found]                         ` <us <3BCC69F1.49E8A65@boeing.com>
2001-10-16 19:27                           ` Stephen Leake
2001-10-17  2:19                             ` Jeffrey Carter
     [not found]                         ` <us <9qhoti$d5f$1@nh.pace.co.uk>
2001-10-18 20:04                           ` Simon Wright
2001-10-18 20:56                             ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-19 11:52                               ` Simon Wright
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2001-10-31  6:52                           ` Simon Wright
2001-11-02 15:20                             ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-28  7:58                     ` Hyman Rosen
2001-10-13  7:28                   ` Simon Wright
2001-10-12 13:33               ` why not "standardize" the Booch Components? (was Re: is Ada dying?) Marin David Condic
2001-10-12 13:53               ` Wes Groleau
2001-10-12 13:34             ` Simon Wright
2001-10-12 13:32           ` Simon Wright
2001-10-08 21:34 ` is Ada dying? Ehud Lamm
2001-10-11  4:27 ` David Brown
2001-10-11 16:52   ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2001-10-12 14:20     ` Ted Dennison
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