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From: Richard Riehle <richard@adaworks.com>
Subject: Re: ada vs. cpp
Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2001 22:18:02 -0700
Date: 2001-10-10T05:14:32+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3BC3DA0A.267D4302@adaworks.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 9pv2f20jf4@drn.newsguy.com

"Robert*@" wrote:

> can GNAT implement a pragma
>
> pragma LOOSE_MODE_START

Such a pragma is not necessary.   There are two main issues
that annoy people who are accustomed to more loosely formed
languages:  the type model, and the visibility model.   Both of
these can be easily suppressed if one wishes to do so.

The default for every Ada construct is "type safe."   The default
for visibility is "visibility safe."    One may start with a language,
such as Ada, in which the defaults are "safe" and relax those
defaults through a variety of mechanisms.   In fact, we can quite
easily relax those defaults to the point that Ada becomes as
precarious as standard C or C++.

On the other hand, it is more difficult to start with a language where
the defaults are "unsafe" and increase the safety.   Such is the predicament

of the C and C++ programmer.   However diligently they may strive to
improve the safety of their code, the underlying default, "unsafe",
continues
to bedevil them.   Unfortunately, many of these attempts to make
the code more safe produces exactly the opposite result.

So, if you want unsafe Ada code, simply be liberal with use clauses,
don't define new data types (use the types in package Standard), make
everything a subtype of something else, use 'unchecked_access everywhere,
along with lots of other tricks to make Ada more like C.  Not very hard,
actually.   Stupid, yes.  Difficult, no.

Richard Riehle





  parent reply	other threads:[~2001-10-10  5:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 148+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-10-03 20:42 ada vs. cpp Ralph M�ritz
2001-10-03 20:56 ` Preben Randhol
2001-10-03 21:07   ` Ralph M�ritz
2001-10-04  5:08     ` Pi
2001-10-04  5:07       ` Ed Falis
2001-10-04  5:13       ` David Starner
2001-10-04 10:57         ` Preben Randhol
2001-10-04 13:18           ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-04 16:30             ` Pascal Obry
2001-10-04 17:05               ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-05 15:22               ` Mike Mohr
2001-10-06  9:15                 ` Pascal Obry
2001-10-06 11:23                   ` MM
2001-10-06 12:27                     ` Marc A. Criley
2001-10-06 16:53                     ` James Rogers
2001-10-09 13:51                     ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-09 14:13                       ` James Rogers
2001-10-09 14:25                         ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-10 16:46                           ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2001-10-09 15:10                         ` Robert*
2001-10-09 16:17                           ` James Rogers
2001-10-11 12:03                             ` David Botton
2001-10-09 14:43                       ` Robert*
2001-10-09 15:18                         ` Wes Groleau
2001-10-09 18:21                           ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-09 20:37                             ` James Rogers
2001-10-09 16:21                         ` James Rogers
2001-10-09 16:43                           ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2001-10-10  5:18                         ` Richard Riehle [this message]
2001-10-10 13:21                           ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-10 14:15                           ` Wes Groleau
2001-10-22  2:07                             ` David Thompson
2001-10-22 13:35                               ` Wes Groleau
2001-10-22 19:14                                 ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2001-10-23  5:40                               ` Richard Riehle
2001-10-09 15:06                       ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
     [not found]                       ` <9pv2f20jf4@drn.newsguy <3BC3240B.96703A8B@worldnet.att.net>
2001-10-10  5:47                         ` Simon Wright
2001-10-06 22:38                   ` Frode Tennebø
2001-10-06 23:48                     ` mike
2001-10-07  7:31                       ` Pascal Obry
2001-10-08 14:55                   ` Mike Mohr
2001-10-08 15:07                     ` Mike Mohr
2001-10-08 16:34                     ` Robert*
2001-10-08 17:47                       ` Mike Mohr
2001-10-08 18:38                         ` Robert*
2001-10-09 14:56                           ` Mike Mohr
2001-10-09 15:20                             ` Wes Groleau
2001-10-09 16:14                             ` Steven Deller
2001-10-09 16:55                             ` Pascal Obry
2001-10-08 19:19                         ` James Rogers
2001-10-09  8:17                         ` Pascal Obry
2001-10-09 15:46                         ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-09 17:35                           ` Mike Mohr
2001-10-09 18:45                             ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-08 18:02                   ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-09  4:59               ` David Thompson
2001-10-04 13:16         ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-05  7:50         ` Dmitry Kazakov
2001-10-05 13:31           ` David Starner
2001-10-05 15:34             ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-05 17:49               ` David Starner
2001-10-05 18:54                 ` Wes Groleau
2001-10-05 22:02                   ` James Rogers
2001-10-05 22:35                     ` Wes Groleau
2001-10-06  3:44                   ` David Starner
2001-10-08  8:18             ` Dmitry Kazakov
2001-10-08 13:33               ` David Starner
2001-10-09 13:36                 ` Wes Groleau
2001-10-09 15:29                   ` David Starner
2001-10-10 11:01                     ` Dmitry Kazakov
2001-10-10 11:20                       ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2001-10-10 12:14                         ` Robert*
2001-10-10 13:31                           ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2001-10-10 14:36                         ` Steven Deller
2001-10-10 14:59                           ` Wes Groleau
2001-10-10 15:15                           ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2001-10-10 15:16                           ` Dmitry Kazakov
2001-10-10 16:10                             ` Florian Weimer
2001-10-11  8:02                               ` Dmitry Kazakov
2001-10-10 15:59                         ` Brian Rogoff
2001-10-10 18:50                           ` David Starner
2001-10-11  9:28                             ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2001-10-10 14:03                       ` David Starner
2001-10-10 16:40                         ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-10 17:53                         ` Pascal Obry
2001-10-10 23:11                           ` David Starner
2001-10-11  3:00                             ` James Rogers
2001-10-22  2:10                               ` David Thompson
2001-10-05 13:52           ` James Rogers
2001-10-05 14:28             ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-10-05 14:07           ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-16  4:52           ` David Thompson
2001-10-16 10:21             ` Dmitry Kazakov
2001-11-13  2:12               ` David Thompson
2001-11-13 10:21                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2001-11-13 16:05                   ` Ted Dennison
2001-11-14  9:29                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2001-10-04  6:01       ` mike
2001-10-04  8:42         ` Pi
2001-10-04 12:22           ` James Rogers
2001-10-04 17:50         ` perl Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2001-10-04 19:27           ` perl maa
2001-10-05 12:15             ` perl Georg Bauhaus
2001-10-04 19:28           ` perl Larry Kilgallen
2001-10-05  7:24           ` perl Lutz Donnerhacke
2001-10-05 12:38             ` perl Georg Bauhaus
2001-10-06 19:00               ` perl Florian Weimer
2001-10-04 16:26       ` ada vs. cpp Pascal Obry
2001-10-04 18:47         ` David Botton
2001-10-04 22:29         ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2001-10-04 22:31           ` Wes Groleau
2001-10-04 22:52           ` Preben Randhol
2001-10-05 12:43             ` Georg Bauhaus
2001-10-05 13:09               ` Preben Randhol
2001-10-06  1:05         ` Mike Silva
2001-10-04 13:50     ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-03 21:03 ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-04  2:40 ` Jeff
2001-10-05  1:23 ` Adrian Hoe
2001-10-05  4:34   ` mike
2001-10-05  4:42   ` mike
2001-10-05 11:13     ` Adrian Hoe
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2001-10-12 20:54 Richard Pinkall-Pollei
2001-10-12 21:28 ` Vector..
2001-10-13  7:07   ` Dale Stanbrough
2001-10-14  8:15   ` Jean-Marc Bourguet
2001-10-15 10:04   ` Nexus
2001-10-15 12:18   ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2001-10-15 21:25     ` Florian Weimer
2001-10-22  2:08       ` David Thompson
2001-10-22  7:04         ` Florian Weimer
2001-10-22  7:31           ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2001-11-13  2:12           ` David Thompson
2001-10-16  8:47     ` Jean-Marc Bourguet
2001-10-16 10:08       ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2001-10-16 11:07         ` Jean-Marc Bourguet
2001-10-16 12:00           ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2001-10-16 19:08           ` Darren New
2001-10-16 15:46         ` Florian Weimer
2001-10-16 19:31           ` Stephen Leake
2001-10-16 20:13             ` Florian Weimer
2001-10-16 21:42               ` Stephen Leake
2001-10-17  8:37                 ` Florian Weimer
2001-10-17  8:45                   ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2001-10-16 13:45       ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-16 13:54         ` Jean-Marc Bourguet
2001-10-16 13:54         ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2001-10-15 13:44   ` Marin David Condic
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