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From: "Warren W. Gay VE3WWG" <ve3wwg@home.com>
Subject: Re: The pace of change (was Proving Correctness (was Java Portability))
Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 23:14:37 GMT
Date: 2001-08-06T23:14:37+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3B6F24E2.A54B5F24@home.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: uhevluxrf.fsf@wanadoo.fr

Pascal Obry wrote:
> "nicolas" <n.brunot@cadwin.com> writes:
> > "Mike@xx" <Mike_member@newsguy.com> a �crit dans le message news:
> > 9klokd0nif@drn.newsguy.com...
> > > The Ada standard library development model is not up to the modern times.
> > >
> > > Look at how Sun manages Java. They have reqular releases of an updated
> > > Java (mostly in the standard libraries). This is how Ada should work. Ada
> > > standard libraries should be updated with more packages all the time.
> 
> I've never seen libraries updating itself right :) ? So who should do
> the job ? This is the real question.
> 
> > >
> > Thanks a lot ... I'd like to hear that kind of things more often
> > I don't understand how Ada could stay up-to-date with one revision of
> > standard libraries in 18 years ...
...snip...
> I agree that Ada is changing slowly compared to Java, but it stays under
> control and well designed. I don't think you can play on both sides.

In fact, if your "libraries" keep undergoing "rapid change" as Nicolas
suggested it should (whatever "keep up to date" suggests here), it then 
becomes a bigger problem to build any "permanance" into
developed applications. This is one reason, I'll not invest time in 
writing for Microsoft -- it just keeps churning and churning, and all 
microsoft based software becomes out of date all too quickly. That is
a bad investment of my premium time.

UNIces at least have some relative form of stability, among other
advantages.

The same (MS problem) holds for Java-- it continues to churn with
change. How can you write Open Source software without being fully 
dedicated to keeping up with the change?

I personally like to "WRAMO" -- that is, "Write Once, And Move On"

I don't want to spend the rest of my life in maintenance mode on a few
given projects. Ada combined with UNIX, provides a good stable combination,
where my "maintenance" will be minimal. This allows _me_ to move onto
new projects, while requiring minimal maintenance on previously 
released projects.

If being up-to-date requires "additions", then fine. They don't necessarily
have to be part of a standard to be useful (though standards are good).
As has been previously mentioned, the GNAT packages are one such example.

Therefore, there is nothing preventing you from using these "up to date" 
packages, which can include XML and anything else you can dream up. Of
course, if these new packages "evolve a lot", you'll be paying the piper
of change again. This mode of operating at least gives you a choice.
-- 
Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
http://members.home.net/ve3wwg



  parent reply	other threads:[~2001-08-06 23:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 198+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-07-20 16:50 An Ada IDE and discussions Beard, Frank
2001-07-20 19:19 ` Ted Dennison
2001-07-23  8:26 ` nicolas
2001-07-23  8:53   ` Java portability (was: An Ada IDE and discussions) Jean-Pierre Rosen
2001-07-23  9:32     ` Gerhard Häring
2001-07-23 11:26       ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2001-07-24 18:59         ` Florian Weimer
2001-07-25  8:40           ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2001-07-25 10:23             ` David C. Hoos, Sr.
2001-07-25 20:50             ` Florian Weimer
2001-07-26  8:07               ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2001-07-23  9:48     ` nicolas
2001-07-23 11:23       ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2001-07-23 12:07         ` nicolas
2001-07-23 13:57           ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2001-07-23 16:55             ` Marc A. Criley
2001-07-24  9:26               ` nicolas
2001-07-24 12:19                 ` Marc A. Criley
2001-07-24 13:10                   ` nicolas
2001-07-24 20:30                     ` Marc A. Criley
2001-07-25  7:56                       ` nicolas
2001-07-26 13:20                         ` Java portability Georg Bauhaus
2001-07-26 15:13                           ` nicolas
2001-07-27  9:52                             ` Georg Bauhaus
2001-07-27 10:22                               ` nicolas
2001-07-27 14:17                                 ` Marin David Condic
2001-07-27 16:44                                   ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2001-07-27 17:13                                     ` Marin David Condic
2001-07-27 20:09                                       ` Stefan Skoglund
2001-07-27 20:12                                       ` Straight Jackets Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2001-07-30  8:12                                     ` Java portability nicolas
2001-07-31  4:40                                       ` Proving Correctness (was Java Portability) Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2001-07-31  8:12                                         ` nicolas
2001-07-31 13:13                                           ` Marin David Condic
2001-07-31 14:40                                             ` nicolas
2001-08-02  9:52                                               ` Georg Bauhaus
2001-08-02 10:45                                                 ` nicolas
2001-08-02 13:30                                                 ` Marin David Condic
2001-08-02 14:30                                                   ` nicolas
2001-08-02 15:49                                                     ` Marin David Condic
2001-08-02 18:57                                                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2001-08-02 20:27                                                     ` Wes Groleau
2001-08-05  2:40                                             ` rob
2001-08-05 10:15                                               ` Pascal Obry
2001-08-02  8:44                                           ` Georg Bauhaus
2001-08-02 10:02                                             ` nicolas
2001-08-02 13:26                                               ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2001-08-02 14:18                                                 ` nicolas
2001-08-02 21:46                                               ` Georg Bauhaus
2001-08-03  8:12                                                 ` nicolas
2001-08-03 13:18                                                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2001-08-03 13:59                                                     ` nicolas
2001-08-03 13:51                                                   ` Marin David Condic
2001-08-03 14:54                                                     ` Georg Bauhaus
2001-08-03 15:16                                                       ` nicolas
2001-08-03 17:10                                                         ` Georg Bauhaus
2001-08-06  8:52                                                           ` nicolas
2001-08-06  9:39                                                             ` Mike
2001-08-06 11:37                                                               ` nicolas
2001-08-06 13:24                                                                 ` Pascal Obry
2001-08-06 14:30                                                                   ` nicolas
2001-08-06 15:38                                                                     ` Pascal Obry
2001-08-06 16:45                                                                     ` Stephen Leake
2001-08-07  0:14                                                                       ` Pascal Obry
2001-08-07  7:18                                                                         ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2001-08-07 17:43                                                                           ` Stephen Leake
2001-08-07 18:07                                                                             ` Marin David Condic
2001-08-08 10:15                                                                             ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2001-08-07  8:06                                                                         ` nicolas
2001-08-07 10:33                                                                           ` Pascal Obry
2001-08-07 11:12                                                                             ` nicolas
2001-08-07  8:44                                                                       ` nicolas
2001-08-07 22:12                                                                         ` Larry Elmore
2001-08-07 22:54                                                                           ` Marin David Condic
2001-08-08  7:45                                                                             ` nicolas
2001-08-11 23:17                                                                             ` Larry Elmore
2001-08-13 13:29                                                                               ` Marin David Condic
2001-08-08  8:01                                                                           ` nicolas
2001-08-11 23:49                                                                             ` Larry Elmore
2001-08-13 13:51                                                                               ` Marin David Condic
2001-08-08 10:22                                                                           ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2001-08-08 13:46                                                                             ` Marin David Condic
2001-08-08 14:25                                                                               ` Leif Roar Moldskred
2001-08-08 15:28                                                                                 ` Marin David Condic
2001-08-08 18:03                                                                                   ` tmoran
2001-08-09 12:29                                                                                   ` Leif Roar Moldskred
2001-08-09 16:21                                                                                     ` Marin David Condic
2001-08-09  7:12                                                                               ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2001-08-11 23:57                                                                             ` Larry Elmore
2001-08-06 14:43                                                                   ` nicolas
2001-08-06 15:37                                                                     ` Pascal Obry
2001-08-06 15:45                                                                   ` Marin David Condic
2001-08-07  7:20                                                                     ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2001-08-06 23:14                                                                   ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG [this message]
2001-08-09 17:44                                                                   ` Stefan Skoglund
2001-08-06 15:41                                                                 ` Marin David Condic
2001-08-06 13:14                                                             ` Pascal Obry
2001-08-06 14:16                                                               ` nicolas
2001-08-06 15:45                                                                 ` Pascal Obry
2001-08-06 16:14                                                                   ` nicolas
2001-08-06 16:41                                                                     ` Stephen Leake
2001-08-07  8:11                                                                       ` nicolas
2001-08-07 10:47                                                                         ` Pascal Obry
2001-08-07 11:31                                                                           ` nicolas
2001-08-07 11:50                                                                           ` nicolas
2001-08-07 14:08                                                                           ` Marin David Condic
2001-08-07 19:19                                                                             ` David Starner
2001-08-07 20:56                                                                               ` tmoran
2001-08-07 22:32                                                                                 ` Ed Falis
2001-08-09 21:20                                                                                   ` Pascal Obry
2001-08-07 22:31                                                                               ` Marin David Condic
2001-08-08  5:24                                                                                 ` David Starner
2001-08-08 14:34                                                                                   ` Marin David Condic
2001-08-08 18:03                                                                                     ` tmoran
2001-08-09  4:31                                                                                     ` David Starner
2001-08-09 20:56                                                                                       ` David Starner
2001-08-09 21:00                                                                                         ` David Starner
2001-08-08 12:17                                                                                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2001-08-08 14:54                                                                                   ` Marin David Condic
2001-08-08 19:20                                                                                     ` Georg Bauhaus
2001-08-08 19:49                                                                                       ` Marin David Condic
2001-08-09 12:31                                                                                         ` Georg Bauhaus
2001-08-09 17:34                                                                                           ` Marin David Condic
2001-08-10  4:29                                                                                       ` Simon Wright
2001-08-13 14:09                                                                                         ` Georg Bauhaus
2001-08-13 14:26                                                                                           ` Marin David Condic
2001-08-14 11:58                                                                                             ` Georg Bauhaus
2001-08-13 19:38                                                                                           ` Simon Wright
2001-08-07 20:56                                                                             ` Florian Weimer
2001-08-07 22:43                                                                               ` Marin David Condic
2001-09-05 15:33                                                                             ` Ted Dennison
2001-08-06 16:37                                                                 ` Stephen Leake
2001-08-06 17:44                                                                   ` tmoran
2001-08-07  8:31                                                                   ` nicolas
2001-08-07  9:06                                                                     ` Leif Roar Moldskred
2001-08-07  9:20                                                                       ` nicolas
2001-08-07 10:01                                                                         ` Leif Roar Moldskred
2001-08-07 10:29                                                                           ` nicolas
2001-08-07 10:54                                                                             ` Leif Roar Moldskred
2001-08-07 11:28                                                                               ` nicolas
2001-08-07 23:02                                                                             ` Larry Elmore
2001-08-08  8:37                                                                               ` nicolas
2001-08-12  0:22                                                                                 ` Larry Elmore
2001-08-07 21:52                                                                           ` Ada Components " Lao Xiao Hai
2001-08-08 17:09                                                                             ` Brian Rogoff
2001-08-08 10:50                                                                         ` More Uniform Ada libraries (was: Proving Correctness) Larry Kilgallen
     [not found]                                                                         ` <y%Ob7.737$ep5.11352@news1.okOrganization: LJK Software <0TDoe8bALz3g@eisner.encompasserve.org>
2001-08-08 12:03                                                                           ` nicolas
2001-08-08 12:11                                                                         ` Larry Kilgallen
     [not found]                                                                         ` <y%Ob7.737$ep5.11352@news1.okOrganization: LJK Software <uiGL0WHzXluf@eisner.encompasserve.org>
2001-08-08 13:03                                                                           ` nicolas
2001-08-08 15:05                                                                             ` Marin David Condic
2001-08-08 15:51                                                                               ` nicolas
2001-08-08 18:03                                                                                 ` tmoran
2001-08-08 19:16                                                                                   ` Marin David Condic
2001-08-08 21:36                                                                                 ` Stephen Leake
2001-08-09  7:47                                                                                   ` nicolas
2001-08-10 15:44                                                                                     ` Stephen Leake
2001-09-04  4:32                                                                                     ` brentcarnellis
2001-09-04  4:36                                                                                       ` Ed Falis
2001-09-05  0:01                                                                                       ` Jeff Creem
2001-09-05  4:13                                                                                         ` brentcarnellis
2001-09-05 13:13                                                                                           ` Samuel T. Harris
2001-09-06  5:08                                                                                             ` brentcarnellis
2001-09-06 13:29                                                                                               ` Samuel T. Harris
2001-09-07  3:56                                                                                                 ` brentcarnellis
2001-09-07 12:45                                                                                                   ` Samuel T. Harris
2001-08-07 12:09                                                                     ` Proving Correctness (was Java Portability) Larry Kilgallen
2001-08-06 16:12                                                               ` Darren New
2001-08-07 12:12                                                             ` Georg Bauhaus
2001-08-07 12:26                                                               ` nicolas
2001-08-07 12:37                                                               ` nicolas
     [not found]                                                         ` <9kelv1$riq$ <3B72CC18.F07195D1@ebox.tninet.se>
2001-08-12  6:34                                                           ` Simon Wright
2001-08-04  4:14                                                     ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2001-08-03 13:43                                                 ` Marin David Condic
2001-08-03 14:15                                                   ` nicolas
2001-08-04 22:31                                                     ` AG
2001-08-06  8:19                                                       ` nicolas
2001-08-06 15:56                                                       ` Marin David Condic
2001-08-03 16:02                                                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2001-08-03 15:25                                               ` Larry Kilgallen
     [not found]                                               ` <9Organization: LJK Software <pLczjM8J5xm3@eisner.encompasserve.org>
2001-08-03 15:27                                                 ` Marin David Condic
2001-08-01 18:49                                     ` Java portability John Doe
2001-08-02  4:38                                       ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2001-07-27 19:44                                   ` Stefan Skoglund
2001-07-27 20:43                                     ` Marin David Condic
2001-07-28  1:04                         ` Java portability (was: An Ada IDE and discussions) Lao Xiao Hai
2001-07-28 21:45                           ` Stefan Skoglund
2001-07-26 13:19                     ` Java portability Georg Bauhaus
2001-07-26 15:07                       ` nicolas
2001-07-27  9:36                         ` Georg Bauhaus
2001-07-27  9:56                           ` nicolas
2001-07-27 13:06                             ` Georg Bauhaus
     [not found]                         ` <9jrcmm$mc0$1@aOrganization: LJK Software <Yjoj5DGkwoqg@eisner.encompasserve.org>
2001-07-27 11:43                           ` nicolas
2001-07-27 12:02                         ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-08-02  2:43                       ` Robert Dewar
2001-08-02 13:18                         ` Marc A. Criley
2001-08-02  8:03                       ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-07-30 20:00                   ` Java portability (was: An Ada IDE and discussions) Dave Adlam
2001-07-24  2:54 ` An Ada IDE and discussions Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
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