From: "Marc A. Criley" <mcqada@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Ada The Best Language?
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 13:12:54 GMT
Date: 2001-07-19T13:12:54+00:00 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <3B56D060.EF478F36@earthlink.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 5be89e2f.0107181231.40bde882@posting.google.com
codesavvy wrote:
>
> Questions regarding productiviy are bogus? Of course you ignore the
> other question that pertains to the point I'm trying to make.
Of course I ignored the questions to which I was not responding, I
conscientiously chose to respond only to the..yes..bogus question you
asked:
>
> > "What class(es) of programming problems does Ada solve that C++ can't.
> >
> > Any computable problem can be solved by an appropriately programmed
> > Turing Machine (TM). Programming language constructs can be converted
> > into TM instructions (albeit very long and tedious ones). Therefore a
> > C++ to TM compiler, an Ada to TM compiler, or an Assembly language to TM
> > compiler, can solve any computable problem.
> >
>
> Of course this is true but there are certain problems that are solved
> more "productively" with certain languages as opposed to other
> languages.
Oh, did I misread the question? I thought it said "What class(es) of
programming problems does Ada solve that C++ can't."--which is a bogus
question. I didn't realize that what that meant was "What class(es) of
programming problems does Ada solve more productively than C++".
> > That you asked this question demonstrates that you do not understand
> > computability. Therefore asking to compare programming languages (of
> > any level) in terms of what can or cannot be programmed using them is
> > (very) silly. They are TM-equivalent.
> >
>
> All this to put someone down.
I commend you on your perception.
comp.lang.ada is a technical newsgroup that is patronized by both a
large number of highly experienced, knowledgable software professionals
as well as less experienced individuals that are seeking to learn more.
A newcomer to the group then announces him or herself by making demands
for metrics and studies and dismisses as unsupported opinion the
millenia of hard-earned experience held by its participants, asks bogus
questions indicating a flawed understanding of computability, and makes
assertions that are glaringly false--such as compiler and platform ports
being very rare.
> Do you have anything besides your opinions?
A rap across the snout with a newspaper is not out of order.
Marc A. Criley
Senior Staff Engineer
Quadrus Corporation
www.quadruscorp.com
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2001-07-18 8:43 Ada The Best Language? Vinzent Hoefler
2001-07-18 9:22 ` Gerhard Häring
2001-07-18 8:58 ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2001-07-18 14:06 ` codesavvy
2001-07-18 15:27 ` Marc A. Criley
2001-07-18 20:31 ` codesavvy
2001-07-18 21:29 ` Darren New
2001-07-18 21:56 ` Marin David Condic
2001-07-19 3:37 ` Larry Hazel
2001-07-19 18:19 ` Marin David Condic
2001-07-21 15:33 ` Mark Lundquist
2001-07-23 13:50 ` Marin David Condic
2001-07-24 4:52 ` Robert C. Leif, Ph.D.
2001-07-24 6:47 ` tmoran
2001-07-24 11:47 ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-07-24 14:10 ` Ted Dennison
2001-07-27 11:29 ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2001-07-19 21:47 ` codesavvy
2001-07-21 2:51 ` DuckE
2001-07-21 3:46 ` Darren New
2001-07-26 1:39 ` Lao Xiao Hai
2001-07-19 13:12 ` Marc A. Criley [this message]
2001-07-19 17:11 ` codesavvy
2001-07-21 14:10 ` Marc A. Criley
2001-07-19 14:12 ` Leif Roar Moldskred
2001-07-19 16:58 ` codesavvy
2001-07-19 18:29 ` Marin David Condic
2001-07-19 17:11 ` Tomasz Wegrzanowski
2001-07-19 18:33 ` Marin David Condic
2001-07-19 20:49 ` Tomasz Wegrzanowski
2001-07-19 21:01 ` Darren New
2001-07-19 21:20 ` Marin David Condic
2001-07-19 22:31 ` Tomasz Wegrzanowski
2001-07-19 23:04 ` Darren New
2001-07-19 23:36 ` Tomasz Wegrzanowski
2001-07-20 16:14 ` Ted Dennison
2001-07-20 17:51 ` Darren New
2001-07-20 17:54 ` Marin David Condic
2001-07-20 20:16 ` Ted Dennison
2001-07-25 9:01 ` Colin Paul Gloster
2001-07-19 22:31 ` Larry Kilgallen
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2001-07-27 22:46 Beard, Frank
2001-07-27 20:22 Beard, Frank
2001-07-27 21:28 ` Marin David Condic
2001-07-30 2:23 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2001-07-20 6:56 Vinzent Hoefler
2001-07-20 6:23 Vinzent Hoefler
2001-07-20 6:08 Vinzent Hoefler
2001-07-20 17:31 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2001-07-21 16:27 ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2001-07-24 2:02 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2001-07-20 6:05 Vinzent Hoefler
2001-07-19 16:10 Vinzent Hoefler
2001-07-19 11:34 Vinzent Hoefler
2001-07-19 15:24 ` Alfred Hilscher
2001-07-19 15:38 ` nicolas
2001-07-19 17:28 ` Ted Dennison
2001-07-24 13:53 ` Colin Paul Gloster
2001-07-19 6:35 Vinzent Hoefler
2001-07-19 6:32 Vinzent Hoefler
2001-07-19 5:42 Vinzent Hoefler
2001-07-19 0:15 Beard, Frank
2001-07-19 12:24 ` codesavvy
2001-07-18 14:40 Re[2]: " ANH_VO
2001-07-26 1:53 ` Lao Xiao Hai
2001-07-18 8:32 Vinzent Hoefler
2001-07-18 12:25 ` Marc A. Criley
2001-07-19 1:03 ` Mike Silva
2001-07-20 11:30 ` Bertrand Augereau
2001-07-20 12:58 ` Marc A. Criley
2001-07-20 13:48 ` Bertrand Augereau
2001-07-20 14:56 ` Marin David Condic
2001-07-20 16:41 ` Bertrand Augereau
2001-07-20 17:47 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2001-07-20 19:33 ` David C. Hoos
2001-07-20 17:19 ` Marc A. Criley
2001-07-20 18:18 ` Bertrand Augereau
2001-08-06 8:13 ` stoog
2001-07-19 17:10 ` Tomasz Wegrzanowski
2001-07-20 13:31 ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2001-07-20 16:46 ` Tomasz Wegrzanowski
2001-07-20 17:00 ` David C. Hoos
2001-08-04 6:04 ` David Thompson
2001-08-05 2:22 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2001-07-23 10:12 ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2001-07-17 16:38 codesavvy
2001-07-17 17:16 ` chris.danx
2001-07-17 21:35 ` JP
2001-07-18 12:04 ` Marc A. Criley
2001-07-18 13:13 ` Colin Paul Gloster
2001-07-17 17:53 ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-07-17 18:01 ` Marin David Condic
2001-07-18 2:10 ` codesavvy
2001-07-18 10:43 ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-07-18 14:27 ` Marin David Condic
2001-07-18 20:37 ` codesavvy
2001-07-18 21:11 ` Marin David Condic
2001-07-19 21:45 ` codesavvy
2001-07-18 22:02 ` Ed Falis
2001-07-19 21:50 ` codesavvy
2001-07-18 23:00 ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-07-19 21:55 ` codesavvy
2001-07-21 8:39 ` Martin Dowie
2001-07-22 14:18 ` John R. Strohm
2001-07-23 6:13 `
2001-07-23 11:16 ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2001-07-23 12:27 ` Marc A. Criley
2001-07-24 2:07 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2001-07-20 4:12 ` Adrian Hoe
2001-07-18 17:26 ` Darren New
2001-07-18 18:03 ` Pascal Obry
2001-07-18 20:51 ` codesavvy
2001-07-18 21:03 ` David C. Hoos
2001-07-20 4:00 ` Adrian Hoe
2001-07-18 21:22 ` Darren New
2001-07-19 4:12 ` James Rogers
2001-07-19 8:59 ` Michal Nowak
2001-07-19 10:40 ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-07-19 12:20 ` codesavvy
2001-07-21 18:20 ` Lao Xiao Hai
2001-07-22 3:55 ` Robert C. Leif, Ph.D.
2001-07-18 21:08 ` Tucker Taft
2001-07-17 20:12 ` Jeffrey Carter
2001-07-17 21:15 ` Gerhard Häring
2001-07-17 21:38 ` Paul Storm
2001-07-18 2:03 ` Tomasz Wegrzanowski
2001-07-18 9:28 ` Gary Lisyansky
2001-07-18 10:42 ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-07-18 2:40 ` Beau
2001-07-18 10:35 ` codesavvy
2001-07-18 11:27 ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2001-07-18 18:28 ` Brian Rogoff
2001-07-18 21:00 ` codesavvy
2001-07-19 17:31 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2001-07-19 21:36 ` codesavvy
2001-07-24 3:22 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2001-07-25 0:11 ` David Bolen
2001-07-25 10:50 ` codesavvy
2001-07-25 16:04 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2001-07-25 21:49 ` codesavvy
2001-07-26 17:24 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2001-07-26 18:48 ` Marin David Condic
2001-07-26 20:21 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2001-07-26 20:52 ` Marin David Condic
2001-07-26 17:26 ` Pascal Obry
2001-07-25 19:39 ` tmoran
2001-07-27 0:35 ` David Bolen
2001-07-27 1:50 ` Gary Scott
2001-07-27 14:05 ` Marin David Condic
2001-07-28 6:42 ` tmoran
2001-07-28 5:32 ` JM
2001-07-28 6:49 ` Gerhard Häring
2001-07-28 12:04 ` Matthew Woodcraft
2001-07-28 19:46 ` tmoran
2001-07-29 1:01 ` Gerhard Häring
2001-07-31 2:59 ` Tom Moran
2001-07-31 9:40 ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-07-31 10:10 ` Preben Randhol
2001-07-26 13:22 ` Marin David Condic
2001-07-20 11:20 ` Bertrand Augereau
2001-07-20 12:56 ` Marin David Condic
2001-07-20 13:18 ` Dmitry Kazakov
2001-07-20 17:27 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2001-07-20 18:14 ` Bertrand Augereau
2001-07-20 19:10 ` Marin David Condic
2001-07-20 20:12 ` Bertrand Augereau
2001-07-20 20:48 ` Marin David Condic
2001-07-23 11:09 ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2001-07-20 19:38 ` David C. Hoos
2001-07-22 13:13 ` Bertrand Augereau
2001-07-22 20:35 ` David C. Hoos, Sr.
2001-07-22 21:12 ` Bertrand Augereau
2001-07-22 22:34 ` David C. Hoos, Sr.
2001-07-23 7:41 ` Dmitry Kazakov
2001-07-23 8:27 ` Bertrand Augereau
2001-07-23 11:51 ` Dmitry Kazakov
2001-07-23 12:06 ` Bertrand Augereau
2001-07-24 1:57 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2001-07-26 22:31 ` Larry Elmore
2001-07-24 14:08 ` Pat Rogers
2001-07-24 14:29 ` Bertrand Augereau
2001-07-24 14:49 ` Pat Rogers
2001-07-24 1:51 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2001-07-18 18:29 ` codesavvy
2001-07-18 21:48 ` Hambut
2001-07-18 22:00 ` Marin David Condic
2001-07-19 21:43 ` codesavvy
2001-07-19 7:45 ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2001-07-18 11:55 ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-07-18 15:49 ` Alfred Hilscher
2001-07-18 20:48 ` codesavvy
2001-07-18 22:12 ` Pascal Obry
2001-07-18 23:22 ` chris.danx
2001-07-20 11:26 ` Bertrand Augereau
2001-07-20 12:11 ` chris.danx
2001-07-20 12:43 ` Bertrand Augereau
2001-07-20 17:37 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2001-07-24 16:52 ` Ted Dennison
2001-07-24 16:59 ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2001-07-24 18:25 ` Ted Dennison
2001-07-25 10:19 ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2001-07-24 20:14 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2001-07-24 21:11 ` Florian Weimer
2001-07-24 22:52 ` tmoran
2001-07-25 7:08 ` Florian Weimer
2001-07-25 7:45 ` tmoran
2001-07-25 15:44 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
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2001-07-26 21:08 ` Florian Weimer
2001-07-25 4:03 ` Tomasz Wegrzanowski
2001-07-24 17:23 ` Ted Dennison
2001-07-20 12:14 ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2001-07-20 12:32 ` Bertrand Augereau
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2001-07-20 14:19 ` Lutz Donnerhacke
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2001-07-20 15:47 ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2001-07-20 16:55 ` Bertrand Augereau
2001-07-23 11:05 ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2001-07-23 19:42 ` Lao Xiao Hai
2001-07-19 10:43 ` Alfred Hilscher
2001-07-19 12:47 ` Marc A. Criley
2001-07-19 17:01 ` codesavvy
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2001-07-23 19:26 ` Lao Xiao Hai
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2001-07-23 4:15 ` codesavvy
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