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From: "Larry J. Elmore" <ljelmore@home.com>
Subject: Re: Ada and JVM? Why not AdaVM?
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 03:49:14 GMT
Date: 2001-02-03T03:49:14+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3A7B8123.7A1B80B9@home.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 95da8h$13s$1@nnrp1.deja.com

Robert Dewar wrote:

> In article <3A79FE73.3D7F12A0@home.com>,
>   "Larry J. Elmore" <ljelmore@home.com> wrote:
>
> > Unfortunately, it's failure was also perceived by many to
> > also be the failure of the ideas behind the architecture.
>
> Entirely fair, the design was misconceived

It's been a _long_ time since I've read anything detailed on the 432,
but it seemed to me that some of its ideas had merit -- at least if your
goal was safety and reliability, not speed. Whether that might be better
done by software I honestly don't know.

> > The 432 might not have been a stellar performer even with the best
> possible implementation of the

> > architecture
>
> Indeed.

Yes, I should have said _could not_, not "might not".

>
> > but a lot of truly terrible decisions were made in its actual
> > implementation that effectively crippled it.
>
> Nothing could have rescued it in my opinion. The design had the
> appearence of being done by high level language folks with no
> view of what could be implemented efficiently.

Then those who implemented the hardware made things even worse.

> There was really
> nothing specifically Ada about the design.

Custom microcode could be provided, though. I remember reading an
article about a 432 with microcode specifically written to support
Smalltalk's VM. I don't specifically recall what the performance was,
but the combination of the 432 and Smalltalk must've been truly
glacial...

Larry




  reply	other threads:[~2001-02-03  3:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-01-27 16:47 Ada and JVM? Why not AdaVM? chris.danx
2001-01-27 21:17 ` David Starner
2001-01-28  8:44   ` Florian Weimer
2001-01-29 23:40     ` Ronald Cole
2001-01-30  1:27       ` Brian Rogoff
2001-01-30  8:28       ` Florian Weimer
2001-01-30 19:29         ` Ada and JVM? Why not AdaVM? ms .net vm Singlespeeder
2001-02-01  0:01         ` Ada and JVM? Why not AdaVM? Ronald Cole
2001-02-01  7:32           ` Florian Weimer
2001-02-02 17:33             ` Ray Blaak
2001-02-01 11:57           ` Tarjei T. Jensen
2001-02-01 17:35             ` Ray Blaak
2001-02-01 16:19           ` joswig
2001-01-30 21:12   ` Nick Roberts
2001-02-02  0:19     ` Larry J. Elmore
2001-02-02  3:41       ` Robert Dewar
2001-02-03  3:49         ` Larry J. Elmore [this message]
2001-02-05 19:46         ` Tucker Taft
2001-02-05 20:31           ` Ted Dennison
2001-02-05 20:58           ` Pat Rogers
2001-01-27 22:31 ` gdemont
2001-01-30  2:41 ` Julian Morrison
2001-01-30  7:08   ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2001-01-30 12:55   ` John English
2001-01-31 21:05   ` chris.danx
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