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From: "Tarjei Tj�stheim Jensen" <tarjei@online.no>
Subject: Re: Ada to C Translator
Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 23:54:14 +0100
Date: 2001-01-02T23:54:14+01:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3A525C16.5C444ADD@online.no> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 3A5218FB.41FDD@collins.rockwell.com

Dave Ptacek wrote:
>I do believe Microsoft will always provide some
> "upgrade" path from NT 4.0 to 2000 to etc. as there are just too many
> Microsoft apps that need will need to be "upgraded" as well.  Jumping on
> that bandwagon appears to have some merit.

It all depends. NT is an unreliable platform as far as being a server is
concerned. The worst case scenario is having to re-install windows NT.
And I'm not talking about a hardware crash. The "must have all servers
on NT" wave has passed. Not completely, but now it is acceptable to have
something else.

My favourites for something which is placed at another site would be
either a VMS, Irix 6.5 or one of the BSD varieties. VMS because few know
it and it would be a real challenge to break into. An industrial
strength OS on cheap hardware. Irix because it has good tools for
patching and upgrades. It also has the best volume manager I have seen
to date. The various BSDs has been easier to install than any of the
Linuxes I have tried on the PCs I have available.

The best Linux to place outside ones own control would probably be
Debian. It seems to be the only one with a really good upgrade tool.
That upgrade tool seems to be better than the ones that come with the
BSD versions.

> I would be interested in some suggestions as to what languages and
> toolsets would be viable alternatives for maintaining a program 15 - 20
> years into the future.  Please try to take the Ada hat off before you
> respond, it still might be your choice, attempt to rationalize it with
> reasonable statements, consider the logistical situation noted above and
> lastly this is not a "deep pocket" program so funds are limited.
> 

As far as technical computing is concerned, Ada and/or plain C would be
my choice. Ada has by far the best process for updating the language. I
might not agree that all choices are the best, but it is a really strong
language which fosters the right attitude for long term software
development. And it has the right customers which understands that they
are in for more than a short ride.

To me C/C++/Java/C# seems slightly risky as the language seems to
disintegrate into a number of dialects. Once they have started that, who
knows where it ends. Only C seems to have an eye to previous art. The
rest of the languages seems to be evolving and that means that anybody
who hitches a ride might get stranded in an inconvenient place. Getting
along with the rest might become expensive (read: you have to rewrite
code).

With regard to compiler availability: The same consolidation which have
occured with Ada is also occuring with C and C++. It is no accident that
Borland have made their C/C++ compiler available for free (you pay for
the development environment).

In the windows environment, I would not be surprised if there were more
Ada compiler vendors selling compilers than there are C++ vendors
selling C/C++ compilers. I think we for all intents and purposes have
one left; microsoft. That single vendor dependency would be a compelling
reason to use an other programming language.

Have you read the COTS Journal article on Ada? If you have, re-read
table 1. If not search for it in this newsgroup and visit!


Greetings,



  parent reply	other threads:[~2001-01-02 22:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 120+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2000-12-28 14:51 Ada to C Translator Mike K
2000-12-28 16:44 ` Ted Dennison
2000-12-28 17:40   ` Ira D. Baxter
2000-12-28 20:11   ` gdemont
2000-12-29  4:21   ` Dr Adrian Wrigley
2000-12-29  8:08     ` gdemont
2000-12-29 20:35   ` Dave Ptacek
2000-12-29 21:31     ` Marin David Condic
2000-12-30 23:04     ` Frode Tennebø
2000-12-30 23:31       ` Ted Dennison
2001-01-01 10:17       ` Tarjei T. Jensen
2001-01-01 15:17         ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-01-01 17:43       ` Robert Dewar
2001-01-01 21:00         ` Tarjei Tj�stheim Jensen
2001-01-01 23:38           ` Robert Dewar
2001-01-02 14:54           ` Marin David Condic
2001-01-01 21:01         ` Lao Xiao Hai
2001-01-01 23:41           ` Robert Dewar
2001-01-02 21:36             ` Frode Tennebø
2001-01-03 18:18               ` Robert Dewar
2001-01-03 22:31                 ` Frode Tennebø
2001-01-04  0:01                   ` Brian Rogoff
2001-01-04  1:16                     ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-01-04  2:41                       ` Brian Rogoff
2001-01-03 23:57                 ` Ken Garlington
2001-01-06 20:48             ` Lao Xiao Hai
2001-01-01 22:57         ` Frode Tennebø
2001-01-01 23:49           ` Robert Dewar
2001-01-02 21:39             ` Frode Tennebø
2001-01-03 18:22               ` Robert Dewar
2001-01-03 18:48                 ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-01-03 19:25                   ` Ted Dennison
2001-01-03 22:10                 ` Frode Tennebø
2001-01-01 23:04         ` Frode Tennebø
2001-01-02 22:20           ` Tarjei Tj�stheim Jensen
2001-01-02 18:07         ` Dave Ptacek
2001-01-02 22:45           ` Ted Dennison
2001-01-02 22:54           ` Tarjei Tj�stheim Jensen [this message]
2001-01-02 23:43             ` Ted Dennison
2001-01-02 22:57           ` Frode Tennebø
2001-01-03 12:34           ` Marin David Condic
2001-01-03 14:00             ` Ken Garlington
2001-01-03 16:16               ` Marin David Condic
2000-12-28 18:53 ` Ehud Lamm
2000-12-28 20:41 ` tmoran
2000-12-29 12:01 ` Tarjei T. Jensen
2001-01-02 21:58 ` Tucker Taft
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2006-01-24 19:55 Ada to C++ translator zangnew
2006-01-24 22:39 ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2006-01-24 23:26   ` David Emery
2006-01-25  4:53     ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2006-01-24 23:25 ` Gautier Write-only
2006-01-25  1:15   ` REH
2006-01-25 16:44     ` Martin Krischik
2006-01-25 20:42       ` REH
2006-01-26  9:03   ` Maciej Sobczak
2006-01-25  3:42 ` Bobby D. Bryant
2006-01-25 20:01   ` Florian Weimer
2006-01-25 20:36     ` Martin Dowie
2006-01-25 21:08       ` Florian Weimer
2006-01-25 21:26         ` Randy Brukardt
2006-01-26 11:22           ` Florian Weimer
2006-01-26 17:25             ` Martin Krischik
2006-01-26 18:08               ` Alex R. Mosteo
2006-01-26 18:29               ` REH
2006-01-27 19:13                 ` Martin Krischik
2006-01-26 18:42               ` Florian Weimer
2006-01-27  0:39             ` Randy Brukardt
2006-01-26  1:18     ` Bobby D. Bryant
2006-01-26 18:51       ` Florian Weimer
2006-01-26 17:15     ` Martin Krischik
2006-01-26 18:45       ` Florian Weimer
2006-01-25  9:24 ` Pascal Obry
2006-01-25 22:24 ` Gautier Write-only
2006-01-25 23:19   ` REH
2006-01-26  9:17   ` Maciej Sobczak
2006-01-25 22:30 ` James Alan Farrell
2006-01-27 15:01 ` Charlie McCutcheon
2006-01-29 14:02   ` Marco
2006-01-29 15:12     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2006-01-29 15:43     ` jimmaureenrogers
2006-01-30  5:32       ` Hyman Rosen
2000-04-12  0:00 Ada to C++ Translator Brad Crabtree
2000-04-12  0:00 ` David Starner
2000-04-13  0:00 ` Gautier
2000-04-14  0:00 ` Tucker Taft
1997-07-05  0:00 Ada To c translator wisniew
1997-07-06  0:00 ` Jerry van Dijk
     [not found] <dewar.855063471@merv>
     [not found] ` <5d7h2e$q4l$1@news.nyu.edu>
     [not found]   ` <5d90qq$ka7@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU>
1997-02-16  0:00     ` Ada to C translator Richard Kenner
1997-02-17  0:00       ` Fergus Henderson
1997-02-26  0:00       ` AlinP
1997-02-26  0:00         ` Robert Dewar
1997-03-21  0:00           ` Keith Allan Shillington
1997-03-26  0:00             ` Geert Bosch
1997-03-26  0:00               ` Tom Moran
1997-03-28  0:00                 ` Robert Dewar
     [not found] <199702041504.PAA11572@sw-eng.falls-church.va.us>
1997-02-09  0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-21  0:00 Gabriel Rouzaut
1997-01-22  0:00 ` Larry Kilgallen
1997-01-24  0:00   ` Ted Dennison
1997-01-30  0:00   ` Keith Thompson
     [not found]   ` <5d29nv$sqv@mn5.swip.net>
     [not found]     ` <dewar.854940250@merv>
     [not found]       ` <5ddp0u$elq@mn5.swip.net>
1997-02-09  0:00         ` Robert Dewar
1996-08-07  0:00 David Buscaglia
1996-08-09  0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1996-07-11  0:00 ADA to C++ translator Alain PUJOL
1996-07-12  0:00 ` Darren C Davenport
1996-07-13  0:00 ` Vladimir Vukicevic
1996-07-15  0:00 ` Simon A Watts
1996-07-15  0:00   ` Robert Dewar
1996-07-16  0:00     ` Simon A Watts
1996-07-15  0:00   ` Darren C Davenport
1996-07-15  0:00   ` Kevin J. Weise
1996-07-16  0:00     ` Simon A Watts
1996-07-15  0:00   ` David Wheeler
1996-07-16  0:00   ` Richard Krehbiel
1996-07-16  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
     [not found] <3f10sf$9t1@news.dtc.hp.com>
     [not found] ` <3f1kig$p0d@newstand.syr.edu>
1995-01-12 16:10   ` Ada to C translator Robert Dewar
1994-09-08 21:12 Kevin H. Hunt x7343
1993-08-04 15:51 Joe Fasano
1990-07-27 12:41 /2000
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