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From: Lao Xiao Hai <laoxhai@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: Ada student homework ?
Date: 2000/11/09
Date: 2000-11-10T03:23:18+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3A0B68EF.A06B276D@ix.netcom.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 3A0A6B56.7437E9E7@cadwin.com



Nicolas Brunot wrote:

> Concerning the use of Ada, just pick up some papers about software development, and count the
> words :
>              C, Fortran, Cobol, Java and Ada ...etc ...
>
> Do you know that some companies gave up Ada because the difficulties and costs to maintain a team
> of Ada programmers ruined the benefits of the language itself ?

HmmmMMMMMmmmm.    Are you suggesting that the "cost to maintain a team
of Ada programmers"  is a function of the language?      The final part of your
sentence leads me to suspect you understand the benefits of Ada.   The stupidity
of many program managers, especially some in the DoD, regarding Ada is not
the fault of the language.    The preference to build a resume with a more
commercial flavor (e.g., the C family of languages) is not the fault of Ada.

I am currently watching with amusement as hordes of otherwise intelligent
programmers are forced to learn C++, when Ada is already in place.  One
prominent member of the DoD software community said to me recently, "We have
all this legacy Ada code that we need to port to Java technology."   He is
making his decision on the recommendation of someone who, in my opinion,
is not experienced enough in Ada or C++ to make such a judgement.   Another
said, "In my last command they told me that Ada was pretty much dead since
the mandate went away."

Meanwhile, C++, a language which can best be characterized as "its own
virus,"  is being stuffed down the intellectual maw of a lot of programmers
who already know Ada 83 and need only to be updated on the technology
of the current standard.   Transitioning good Ada to C++ is so silly that it
defies belief.

The result will be more incidents such as the USS Yorktown, dead in the water
from a software flaw originating in code written in C.    I find it scary that we
plan to send our young men into battle depending on software created with the
most error-prone programming language ever invented. Who will take the final
responsibility for this folly once the finger-pointing begins?

Richard Riehle








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Thread overview: 164+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2000-11-03 14:42 if statements sc297
2000-11-03  0:00 ` David Starner
2000-11-07  0:00   ` John English
2000-11-13  0:00   ` Dale Pontius
2000-11-03 16:09 ` Larry Kilgallen
2000-11-03  0:00   ` tmoran
2000-11-03  0:00     ` David Starner
2000-11-05  0:00       ` tmoran
2000-11-06  0:00         ` David Starner
2000-11-08  0:14           ` Alejandro R. Mosteo
2000-11-08  0:00             ` Alejandro Villanueva
2000-11-08  0:00               ` Georg Bauhaus
2000-11-09  3:50               ` Ken Garlington
2000-11-07  0:00         ` John English
2000-11-03  0:00     ` Larry Kilgallen
2000-11-06  0:00       ` Brian Orpin
2000-11-07  0:00     ` John English
2000-11-08  5:22       ` Ken Garlington
2000-11-06  0:00 ` Daniel Allex
2000-11-07  0:00   ` dmitry6243
2000-11-07  0:00     ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2000-11-08  0:00       ` dmitry6243
2000-11-07  0:00   ` Robert Dewar
2000-11-07  0:00     ` Larry Kilgallen
2000-11-08  0:00     ` Alejandro Villanueva
2000-11-08  0:00       ` Daniel Allex
2000-11-09  3:54       ` Ken Garlington
2000-11-09  5:24       ` Robert Dewar
2000-11-09  0:00         ` Ken Garlington
2000-11-09  0:00           ` Robert Dewar
2000-11-10  0:12             ` Ehud Lamm
2000-11-10  2:09             ` Ken Garlington
2000-11-20  0:00               ` Wes Groleau
2000-11-20  0:00             ` Wes Groleau
2000-11-21  0:00               ` Robert Dewar
2000-11-22  0:00                 ` Wes Groleau
2000-11-09  0:00         ` Marin David Condic
2000-11-09  0:00           ` Robert Dewar
2000-11-10  0:00             ` Larry Kilgallen
2000-11-10  1:58           ` Ken Garlington
2000-11-10  3:53             ` Robert Dewar
2000-11-09  0:00         ` constants v variables (was Re: if statements) Martin Dowie
2000-11-09  0:00           ` Robert A Duff
2000-11-09  0:00             ` Florian Weimer
2000-11-10  2:13               ` Ken Garlington
2000-11-10  5:59                 ` Brian Rogoff
2000-11-09  0:00             ` Martin Dowie
2000-11-09  0:00             ` Robert Dewar
2000-11-09  0:00           ` Robert Dewar
2000-11-08  0:00     ` Ada student homework ? Nicolas Brunot
2000-11-08  0:00       ` Larry Kilgallen
2000-11-08  0:00         ` Nicolas Brunot
2000-11-08  0:00           ` Lao Xiao Hai
2000-11-09  0:00             ` Nicolas Brunot
2000-11-09  0:00               ` Lao Xiao Hai [this message]
2000-11-10  0:00                 ` Nicolas Brunot
2000-11-10  0:00                   ` Larry Kilgallen
2000-11-10  0:00                     ` Nicolas Brunot
2000-11-10  0:00                       ` Dan Nagle
2000-11-10  0:00                         ` Nicolas Brunot
2000-11-10  0:00                           ` Larry Kilgallen
2000-11-10  0:00                             ` Nicolas Brunot
2000-11-11  0:00                               ` Robert Dewar
2000-11-12  6:54                                 ` Brian Rogoff
2000-11-12  0:00                                   ` Robert Dewar
2000-11-11  0:00                           ` Robert Dewar
2000-11-13  0:00                             ` Nicolas Brunot
2000-11-13  0:00                               ` Robert Dewar
2000-11-13  0:00                                 ` gdemont
2000-11-13  0:00                                 ` Nicolas Brunot
2000-11-13  0:00                                   ` Pascal Obry
2000-11-13  0:00                                 ` gdemont
2000-11-13  0:00                                   ` Ada student homework ?[OS/2 Comments] tjerick
2000-11-14  0:00                                   ` Ada student homework ? Georg Bauhaus
2000-11-14  5:16                                   ` Robert Dewar
2000-11-14  0:00                                     ` John English
2000-11-14  0:00                                       ` gdemont
2000-11-14  0:00                                       ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2000-11-14  0:00                                     ` Nicolas Brunot
2000-11-15  0:00                                       ` Robert Dewar
2000-11-15  0:00                                         ` Ada student homework ? I give up Nicolas Brunot
2000-11-15  0:00                                           ` Robert Dewar
2000-11-13  0:00                                 ` Ada student homework ? Ken Garlington
2000-11-14  0:00                                 ` dmitry6243
2000-11-15  0:00                             ` Larry Kilgallen
     [not found]                             ` <3A0FCBAD.824095C6@cadwin.cOrganization: LJK Software <5E93Ivxu6GwO@eisner.decus.org>
2000-11-18  0:00                               ` Robert Dewar
2000-11-20  0:00                     ` Wes Groleau
2000-11-20  0:00                       ` Larry Kilgallen
2000-11-10  0:00                 ` Nicolas Brunot
2000-11-10  0:00                   ` Marin David Condic
2000-11-10  0:00                     ` Randy Brukardt
2000-11-11  0:00                       ` Marin David Condic
2000-11-15  0:00                         ` Lao Xiao Hai
2000-11-18  0:00                           ` Robert Dewar
2000-11-18  0:00                             ` tmoran
2000-11-19  0:00                               ` Robert Dewar
2000-11-19  0:00                                 ` tmoran
2000-11-19  0:00                                   ` Robert Dewar
2000-11-20  0:16                                     ` tmoran
2000-11-20  0:00                                       ` Portability accross compilers Nicolas Brunot
2000-11-20  0:00                                         ` Robert Dewar
2000-11-20  3:18                                       ` Ada student homework ? Robert Dewar
2000-11-20  5:55                                         ` tmoran
2000-11-20  0:00                                           ` Robert Dewar
2000-11-20  0:00                                 ` Wes Groleau
2000-11-19  0:00                             ` Lao Xiao Hai
2000-11-10  0:00                     ` Nicolas Brunot
2000-11-10  0:00                       ` David Starner
2000-11-11  0:00                       ` Robert Dewar
2000-11-13  0:00                         ` Nicolas Brunot
2000-11-10  0:00                     ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2000-11-11  0:00                   ` Robert Dewar
2000-11-13  0:00                     ` gdemont
2000-11-10  0:00                 ` mjsilva
2000-11-08  0:00           ` Brian Rogoff
2000-11-09  0:00             ` Nicolas Brunot
2000-11-09  0:00               ` Robert Dewar
2000-11-10  0:08                 ` Ehud Lamm
2000-11-10  0:00               ` Brian Rogoff
2000-11-08  0:00           ` Chad R. Meiners
2000-11-08  0:00             ` Ted Dennison
2000-11-09  5:11               ` Robert Dewar
2000-11-18  0:00               ` John Magness
2000-11-09  5:04           ` Robert Dewar
2000-11-10  0:27             ` Subsetting Ada Ted Dennison
2000-11-08  0:00       ` Ada student homework ? Robert Dewar
2000-11-08  0:00         ` Nicolas Brunot
2000-11-08  0:00           ` Larry Kilgallen
2000-11-08  0:00             ` Nicolas Brunot
2000-11-14  0:00               ` Ronald Cole
2000-11-08  0:00           ` Ted Dennison
2000-11-08  0:00             ` Nicolas Brunot
2000-11-08  0:00               ` Jerry Petrey
2000-11-08  0:00             ` Lao Xiao Hai
2000-11-09  0:00             ` Marin David Condic
2000-11-10  2:15               ` Ken Garlington
2000-11-10  0:00                 ` Marin David Condic
2000-11-18  0:00               ` John Magness
2000-11-19  0:00                 ` Robert Dewar
2000-11-19  0:00                   ` Larry Kilgallen
2000-11-20  0:00                 ` John English
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     [not found]                   ` <1dtW5.25958$6W1.1458704@news.flash.net>
2000-12-12 20:52                     ` Stefan Skoglund
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2000-12-19 16:36                         ` election chit-chat (was Re: Ada student homework ?) Robert Dewar
2000-11-07  0:00   ` if statements Wes Groleau
2000-11-08  0:00     ` John English
2000-11-08  0:00       ` Wes Groleau
2000-11-09  3:43         ` Ken Garlington
2000-11-07  0:00   ` Ken Garlington
2000-11-07  0:00     ` John English
2000-11-07  0:00       ` Robert Dewar
2000-11-08  0:00         ` John English
2000-11-08  0:00           ` Georg Bauhaus
2000-11-09  4:58           ` Robert Dewar
2000-11-09  0:00             ` John English
2000-11-09  0:00             ` Ken Garlington
2000-11-09  0:00               ` Designing test suites (was: if statements) Larry Kilgallen
2000-11-08  5:29       ` if statements Ken Garlington
2000-11-08  0:00         ` John English
2000-11-08  0:00           ` Ken Garlington
2000-11-07  0:00   ` John English
2000-11-07  0:00 ` John English
2000-11-07  0:00   ` Robert Dewar
2000-11-10  6:09 ` DJack143
2000-11-11  0:00   ` Here we go again (Was: if statements) Frank Christiny
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