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From: Stefan Skoglund <stetson@ebox.tninet.se>
Subject: Re: From extended Pascals to Ada 95 guide
Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2000 19:50:25 +0200
Date: 2000-09-10T14:54:30+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <39BA7861.46333D5D@ebox.tninet.se> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 39B93D0A.27E841C4@stack.nl

Marco van de Voort wrote:
> > Understanding a bit about objects is necessary if you want
> > something like Hello World.
> 
> No, you can make a perfectly good "Hello World" without objects.
Dont you need to create a subclass of some obscure Java
class to even generate a program with a null body ??

> > The student shouldn't need to handle such technicalities like files
> > or units and so on.
> 
> A file is an important generic concept used by most languages (including
> OOP ones).  The same for units, or modules.
> 
> Why do you get the idea that they are useless technicalities?

Because in the beginning of CS1 you don�t really need persistent storage
of your work. You as a teacher would prefer not getting questions like
this:

Pupil: I'm working with a small a little bit of trigonometry.
      Why is the system bitching about no cos ?

Teacher: you need to add something like this '-lm'

What I'm saying is this: a language which is likened by programmer
professionals isn't implicitly a good way of expression for students
which
has started programming for the first time.




  reply	other threads:[~2000-09-09 17:50 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 88+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2000-08-24  0:00 From extended Pascals to Ada 95 guide gdemont
2000-08-24  0:00 ` James Smith
2000-08-24  0:00   ` ODRe: " Richard Riehle
2000-08-29  0:00     ` James Smith
2000-08-30  0:00       ` Marco van de Voort
2000-08-25  0:00   ` Robert Deininger
2000-08-25  0:00   ` Gautier
2000-08-25  0:00     ` Marco van de Voort
2000-08-25  0:00       ` Gautier
2000-08-25  0:00         ` Marco van de Voort
2000-08-25  0:00           ` Charles Hixson
2000-08-26  0:00             ` steve
2000-08-26  0:00               ` Marco van de Voort
2000-08-27  0:00               ` David Botton
2000-08-28  6:41                 ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2000-08-28  0:00                   ` David Botton
2000-08-28  0:00             ` Marco van de Voort
2000-08-28  0:00               ` Gautier
2000-08-28  0:00                 ` Marco van de Voort
2000-08-28  0:00                   ` Gautier
2000-08-28  0:00                     ` Charles Hixson
2000-08-28  0:00                   ` Marin D. Condic
2000-08-28  0:00                     ` Marco van de Voort
2000-08-28  0:00                       ` Larry Elmore
2000-08-28  0:00                       ` Gautier
2000-08-28  0:00                         ` Marco van de Voort
2000-08-28  0:00           ` Richard Riehle
2000-08-29  6:53             ` Marco van de Voort
2000-08-25  0:00     ` Preben Randhol
2000-08-25  0:00       ` Pat Rogers
2000-08-25  0:00         ` Marin D. Condic
2000-08-25  0:00           ` Pat Rogers
2000-08-26  0:00             ` Marin D. Condic
2000-08-25  0:00           ` Larry Elmore
2000-08-26  0:00             ` Marin D. Condic
2000-08-27  0:00               ` David Botton
2000-08-27  0:00                 ` Marin D. Condic
2000-08-27  0:00                   ` tmoran
2000-08-28  0:00                     ` Marin D. Condic
2000-08-29  0:00                       ` Gautier
     [not found]                     ` <017801c0105d$06e88ac0$cf18b70a@db2000>
2000-08-27  0:00                       ` tmoran
2000-08-28  0:00                         ` Marin D. Condic
2000-08-28  0:00                       ` Larry Kilgallen
2000-08-27  0:00                   ` David Botton
2000-08-28  0:00                     ` Marin D. Condic
2000-09-06  0:18                   ` John English
2000-08-28  0:00               ` Ray Blaak
2000-08-26  0:00             ` Dimmy Timchenko
2000-08-26  0:00           ` Robert C. Leif, Ph.D.
2000-08-26  0:00     ` Robert C. Leif, Ph.D.
2000-08-25  0:00   ` Tarjei T. Jensen
2000-08-27  0:00   ` Ronald Cole
2000-08-27  0:00     ` David Starner
2000-08-27  0:00       ` Al Christians
2000-08-28  0:00         ` Marco van de Voort
2000-08-28  0:00           ` Gautier
2000-08-28  0:00             ` Marco van de Voort
2000-08-28  0:00           ` Al Christians
2000-08-28  0:00             ` Ray Blaak
2000-08-28  0:00         ` nabbasi
2000-08-29  0:00           ` Brian Rogoff
2000-08-29  0:00           ` Larry Kilgallen
2000-08-29  0:00             ` Marco van de Voort
2000-08-29  0:00               ` Gautier
2000-08-29  0:00                 ` Marco van de Voort
2000-08-29  0:00               ` Jonas Maebe
2000-09-06  0:38               ` John English
2000-09-08 18:41                 ` Stefan Skoglund
2000-09-08 19:24                   ` Marco van de Voort
2000-09-09 17:50                     ` Stefan Skoglund [this message]
2000-09-10 16:40                       ` Marco van de Voort
2000-09-11  0:59                         ` Ken Garlington
2000-09-11 13:01                   ` John English
2000-09-11 14:45                     ` Ehud Lamm
2000-09-11 19:32                       ` Marco van de Voort
2000-09-27 23:03                       ` John English
2000-08-29  0:00           ` David Starner
2000-08-29  0:00             ` Charles Hixson
2000-08-30  0:00               ` Gary Scott
2000-08-30  0:00                 ` Charles Hixson
2000-08-30  0:00                   ` Gary Scott
2000-08-29  0:00           ` Ehud Lamm
2000-09-06  0:26           ` John English
2000-09-06 16:08             ` Charles Hixson
2000-08-28  0:00       ` Marco van de Voort
2000-08-27  0:00     ` Richard Kenner
2000-08-28  0:00       ` Ronald Cole
     [not found] <01a101c0106f$745c3c70$cf18b70a@db2000>
2000-08-28  0:48 ` tmoran
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