From: Stefan Skoglund <stetson@ebox.tninet.se>
Subject: Re: From extended Pascals to Ada 95 guide
Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2000 19:50:25 +0200
Date: 2000-09-10T14:54:30+00:00 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <39BA7861.46333D5D@ebox.tninet.se> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 39B93D0A.27E841C4@stack.nl
Marco van de Voort wrote:
> > Understanding a bit about objects is necessary if you want
> > something like Hello World.
>
> No, you can make a perfectly good "Hello World" without objects.
Dont you need to create a subclass of some obscure Java
class to even generate a program with a null body ??
> > The student shouldn't need to handle such technicalities like files
> > or units and so on.
>
> A file is an important generic concept used by most languages (including
> OOP ones). The same for units, or modules.
>
> Why do you get the idea that they are useless technicalities?
Because in the beginning of CS1 you don�t really need persistent storage
of your work. You as a teacher would prefer not getting questions like
this:
Pupil: I'm working with a small a little bit of trigonometry.
Why is the system bitching about no cos ?
Teacher: you need to add something like this '-lm'
What I'm saying is this: a language which is likened by programmer
professionals isn't implicitly a good way of expression for students
which
has started programming for the first time.
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2000-08-24 0:00 From extended Pascals to Ada 95 guide gdemont
2000-08-24 0:00 ` James Smith
2000-08-24 0:00 ` ODRe: " Richard Riehle
2000-08-29 0:00 ` James Smith
2000-08-30 0:00 ` Marco van de Voort
2000-08-25 0:00 ` Robert Deininger
2000-08-25 0:00 ` Gautier
2000-08-25 0:00 ` Marco van de Voort
2000-08-25 0:00 ` Gautier
2000-08-25 0:00 ` Marco van de Voort
2000-08-25 0:00 ` Charles Hixson
2000-08-26 0:00 ` steve
2000-08-26 0:00 ` Marco van de Voort
2000-08-27 0:00 ` David Botton
2000-08-28 6:41 ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2000-08-28 0:00 ` David Botton
2000-08-28 0:00 ` Marco van de Voort
2000-08-28 0:00 ` Gautier
2000-08-28 0:00 ` Marco van de Voort
2000-08-28 0:00 ` Gautier
2000-08-28 0:00 ` Charles Hixson
2000-08-28 0:00 ` Marin D. Condic
2000-08-28 0:00 ` Marco van de Voort
2000-08-28 0:00 ` Larry Elmore
2000-08-28 0:00 ` Gautier
2000-08-28 0:00 ` Marco van de Voort
2000-08-28 0:00 ` Richard Riehle
2000-08-29 6:53 ` Marco van de Voort
2000-08-25 0:00 ` Preben Randhol
2000-08-25 0:00 ` Pat Rogers
2000-08-25 0:00 ` Marin D. Condic
2000-08-25 0:00 ` Pat Rogers
2000-08-26 0:00 ` Marin D. Condic
2000-08-25 0:00 ` Larry Elmore
2000-08-26 0:00 ` Marin D. Condic
2000-08-27 0:00 ` David Botton
2000-08-27 0:00 ` Marin D. Condic
2000-08-27 0:00 ` tmoran
2000-08-28 0:00 ` Marin D. Condic
2000-08-29 0:00 ` Gautier
[not found] ` <017801c0105d$06e88ac0$cf18b70a@db2000>
2000-08-27 0:00 ` tmoran
2000-08-28 0:00 ` Marin D. Condic
2000-08-28 0:00 ` Larry Kilgallen
2000-08-27 0:00 ` David Botton
2000-08-28 0:00 ` Marin D. Condic
2000-09-06 0:18 ` John English
2000-08-28 0:00 ` Ray Blaak
2000-08-26 0:00 ` Dimmy Timchenko
2000-08-26 0:00 ` Robert C. Leif, Ph.D.
2000-08-26 0:00 ` Robert C. Leif, Ph.D.
2000-08-25 0:00 ` Tarjei T. Jensen
2000-08-27 0:00 ` Ronald Cole
2000-08-27 0:00 ` David Starner
2000-08-27 0:00 ` Al Christians
2000-08-28 0:00 ` Marco van de Voort
2000-08-28 0:00 ` Gautier
2000-08-28 0:00 ` Marco van de Voort
2000-08-28 0:00 ` Al Christians
2000-08-28 0:00 ` Ray Blaak
2000-08-28 0:00 ` nabbasi
2000-08-29 0:00 ` Brian Rogoff
2000-08-29 0:00 ` Larry Kilgallen
2000-08-29 0:00 ` Marco van de Voort
2000-08-29 0:00 ` Gautier
2000-08-29 0:00 ` Marco van de Voort
2000-08-29 0:00 ` Jonas Maebe
2000-09-06 0:38 ` John English
2000-09-08 18:41 ` Stefan Skoglund
2000-09-08 19:24 ` Marco van de Voort
2000-09-09 17:50 ` Stefan Skoglund [this message]
2000-09-10 16:40 ` Marco van de Voort
2000-09-11 0:59 ` Ken Garlington
2000-09-11 13:01 ` John English
2000-09-11 14:45 ` Ehud Lamm
2000-09-11 19:32 ` Marco van de Voort
2000-09-27 23:03 ` John English
2000-08-29 0:00 ` David Starner
2000-08-29 0:00 ` Charles Hixson
2000-08-30 0:00 ` Gary Scott
2000-08-30 0:00 ` Charles Hixson
2000-08-30 0:00 ` Gary Scott
2000-08-29 0:00 ` Ehud Lamm
2000-09-06 0:26 ` John English
2000-09-06 16:08 ` Charles Hixson
2000-08-28 0:00 ` Marco van de Voort
2000-08-27 0:00 ` Richard Kenner
2000-08-28 0:00 ` Ronald Cole
[not found] <01a101c0106f$745c3c70$cf18b70a@db2000>
2000-08-28 0:48 ` tmoran
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