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From: Al Christians <achrist@easystreet.com>
Subject: Re: From extended Pascals to Ada 95 guide
Date: 2000/08/27
Date: 2000-08-27T00:00:00+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <39A991F3.A8D8BED7@easystreet.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 8obv01$7hu1@news.cis.okstate.edu

David Starner wrote:
> 
> Okay, why isn't Ada a "Wirth-style language", if Modula-3 is? They
> share more in common with each other than either does with Wirth's
> Pascal, for instance.
> 

The principal criterium is size of the language definition/reference 
manual.  Modula-3's is under 60 pages, IIRC, much smaller than Ada's.
And Wirth was some kind of advisor to the M3 design team. 

M2 and M3 are both very nice languages if you want something simpler
than Ada and don't need what they leave out.  But neither one shows
much sign of life.  If you wish you had more mainstream/affordable
commercial support for Ada, the situation is about ten times worse
working with either M2 or M3.  

All three of these languages, M2, M3, and Ada, now support generics, 
and that gives them a big advantage over Delphi for coding without doing 
aribtrary conversions between data types.  In Delphi, the generic type 
stored by the standard VCL collection classes is the Pointer, and the 
program must cast it to whatever type it really represents.  One big 
reason Borland's Pascal became popular was because it let you go
around Pascal's strict type checking, but that was years ago, and it's 
regrettable to have to routinely write code that will be checked 
for correctness at run time when there are less worrisome alternatives.

I don't believe that Wirth's versions of M2 or Pascal allowed any way
to go around the type system, and in M3, the modules that might do
so must be marked as unsafe.  Ada does allow unchecked conversions.   

Al




  reply	other threads:[~2000-08-27  0:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 88+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2000-08-24  0:00 From extended Pascals to Ada 95 guide gdemont
2000-08-24  0:00 ` James Smith
2000-08-24  0:00   ` ODRe: " Richard Riehle
2000-08-29  0:00     ` James Smith
2000-08-30  0:00       ` Marco van de Voort
2000-08-25  0:00   ` Tarjei T. Jensen
2000-08-25  0:00   ` Gautier
2000-08-25  0:00     ` Preben Randhol
2000-08-25  0:00       ` Pat Rogers
2000-08-25  0:00         ` Marin D. Condic
2000-08-25  0:00           ` Larry Elmore
2000-08-26  0:00             ` Marin D. Condic
2000-08-27  0:00               ` David Botton
2000-08-27  0:00                 ` Marin D. Condic
2000-08-27  0:00                   ` tmoran
     [not found]                     ` <017801c0105d$06e88ac0$cf18b70a@db2000>
2000-08-27  0:00                       ` tmoran
2000-08-28  0:00                         ` Marin D. Condic
2000-08-28  0:00                       ` Larry Kilgallen
2000-08-28  0:00                     ` Marin D. Condic
2000-08-29  0:00                       ` Gautier
2000-08-27  0:00                   ` David Botton
2000-08-28  0:00                     ` Marin D. Condic
2000-09-06  0:18                   ` John English
2000-08-28  0:00               ` Ray Blaak
2000-08-26  0:00             ` Dimmy Timchenko
2000-08-25  0:00           ` Pat Rogers
2000-08-26  0:00             ` Marin D. Condic
2000-08-26  0:00           ` Robert C. Leif, Ph.D.
2000-08-25  0:00     ` Marco van de Voort
2000-08-25  0:00       ` Gautier
2000-08-25  0:00         ` Marco van de Voort
2000-08-25  0:00           ` Charles Hixson
2000-08-26  0:00             ` steve
2000-08-26  0:00               ` Marco van de Voort
2000-08-27  0:00               ` David Botton
2000-08-28  6:41                 ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2000-08-28  0:00                   ` David Botton
2000-08-28  0:00             ` Marco van de Voort
2000-08-28  0:00               ` Gautier
2000-08-28  0:00                 ` Marco van de Voort
2000-08-28  0:00                   ` Marin D. Condic
2000-08-28  0:00                     ` Marco van de Voort
2000-08-28  0:00                       ` Larry Elmore
2000-08-28  0:00                       ` Gautier
2000-08-28  0:00                         ` Marco van de Voort
2000-08-28  0:00                   ` Gautier
2000-08-28  0:00                     ` Charles Hixson
2000-08-28  0:00           ` Richard Riehle
2000-08-29  6:53             ` Marco van de Voort
2000-08-26  0:00     ` Robert C. Leif, Ph.D.
2000-08-25  0:00   ` Robert Deininger
2000-08-27  0:00   ` Ronald Cole
2000-08-27  0:00     ` Richard Kenner
2000-08-28  0:00       ` Ronald Cole
2000-08-27  0:00     ` David Starner
2000-08-27  0:00       ` Al Christians [this message]
2000-08-28  0:00         ` Marco van de Voort
2000-08-28  0:00           ` Gautier
2000-08-28  0:00             ` Marco van de Voort
2000-08-28  0:00           ` Al Christians
2000-08-28  0:00             ` Ray Blaak
2000-08-28  0:00         ` nabbasi
2000-08-29  0:00           ` David Starner
2000-08-29  0:00             ` Charles Hixson
2000-08-30  0:00               ` Gary Scott
2000-08-30  0:00                 ` Charles Hixson
2000-08-30  0:00                   ` Gary Scott
2000-08-29  0:00           ` Larry Kilgallen
2000-08-29  0:00             ` Marco van de Voort
2000-08-29  0:00               ` Jonas Maebe
2000-08-29  0:00               ` Gautier
2000-08-29  0:00                 ` Marco van de Voort
2000-09-06  0:38               ` John English
2000-09-08 18:41                 ` Stefan Skoglund
2000-09-08 19:24                   ` Marco van de Voort
2000-09-09 17:50                     ` Stefan Skoglund
2000-09-10 16:40                       ` Marco van de Voort
2000-09-11  0:59                         ` Ken Garlington
2000-09-11 13:01                   ` John English
2000-09-11 14:45                     ` Ehud Lamm
2000-09-11 19:32                       ` Marco van de Voort
2000-09-27 23:03                       ` John English
2000-08-29  0:00           ` Brian Rogoff
2000-08-29  0:00           ` Ehud Lamm
2000-09-06  0:26           ` John English
2000-09-06 16:08             ` Charles Hixson
2000-08-28  0:00       ` Marco van de Voort
     [not found] <01a101c0106f$745c3c70$cf18b70a@db2000>
2000-08-28  0:48 ` tmoran
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