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From: Gautier <gautier.demontmollin@maths.unine.ch>
Subject: Re: From extended Pascals to Ada 95 guide
Date: 2000/08/25
Date: 2000-08-25T00:00:00+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <39A655BE.18E89020@maths.unine.ch> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 8o4bfq$v0h$1@slb7.atl.mindspring.net

James Smith:

> Too bad the US gov didn't save some taxpayer dollars by just adopting Modula
> 2. Of course that would have made too much sense.

To save dollars they also could have adopted C...
With Modula-2, they should have spent perhaps more than Ada to make it usable...

The main problem with Modula-2 is that it keeps the rigid types
of "classic" Pascal. No problem for teaching or write a
"Pascal in Pascal" compiler, but for the real world you need
a flexible typing like "array(integer range <>) of..."

The second problem is the modularity: you have to open manually
the visibility for *all* identifiers you need! It made things
easier for writing a compiler, but it rapidily took longer to
write and maintain the "FROM...IMPORT..."s, with correct casing,
than to write your programs. Just extrapolate the "Hello World"
to have an idea...

MODULE PrintHelloWorld;

FROM InOut IMPORT WriteString, WriteLn;

BEGIN
        WriteString('Hello world!');
        WriteLn;
END PrintHelloWorld.

Another big problem was the library: there were vague recommendations
for text I/O, and iirc, nothing more. As a result, even "Hello World"
was non portable: some compilers wanted "WriteString('Hello world!');",
others wanted "WRITESTRING('Hello world!');" I let you guess what the
mess was with Math libraries...

Finally I doubt that the average US programmer would have been
patient enough to stand more than 5 minutes before Modula-2...
Already in Europe many keyboards were severely damaged!

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2000-08-25  0:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 88+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2000-08-24  0:00 From extended Pascals to Ada 95 guide gdemont
2000-08-24  0:00 ` James Smith
2000-08-24  0:00   ` ODRe: " Richard Riehle
2000-08-29  0:00     ` James Smith
2000-08-30  0:00       ` Marco van de Voort
2000-08-25  0:00   ` Tarjei T. Jensen
2000-08-25  0:00   ` Robert Deininger
2000-08-25  0:00   ` Gautier [this message]
2000-08-25  0:00     ` Preben Randhol
2000-08-25  0:00       ` Pat Rogers
2000-08-25  0:00         ` Marin D. Condic
2000-08-25  0:00           ` Larry Elmore
2000-08-26  0:00             ` Dimmy Timchenko
2000-08-26  0:00             ` Marin D. Condic
2000-08-27  0:00               ` David Botton
2000-08-27  0:00                 ` Marin D. Condic
2000-08-27  0:00                   ` David Botton
2000-08-28  0:00                     ` Marin D. Condic
2000-08-27  0:00                   ` tmoran
2000-08-28  0:00                     ` Marin D. Condic
2000-08-29  0:00                       ` Gautier
     [not found]                     ` <017801c0105d$06e88ac0$cf18b70a@db2000>
2000-08-27  0:00                       ` tmoran
2000-08-28  0:00                         ` Marin D. Condic
2000-08-28  0:00                       ` Larry Kilgallen
2000-09-06  0:18                   ` John English
2000-08-28  0:00               ` Ray Blaak
2000-08-25  0:00           ` Pat Rogers
2000-08-26  0:00             ` Marin D. Condic
2000-08-26  0:00           ` Robert C. Leif, Ph.D.
2000-08-25  0:00     ` Marco van de Voort
2000-08-25  0:00       ` Gautier
2000-08-25  0:00         ` Marco van de Voort
2000-08-25  0:00           ` Charles Hixson
2000-08-26  0:00             ` steve
2000-08-26  0:00               ` Marco van de Voort
2000-08-27  0:00               ` David Botton
2000-08-28  6:41                 ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2000-08-28  0:00                   ` David Botton
2000-08-28  0:00             ` Marco van de Voort
2000-08-28  0:00               ` Gautier
2000-08-28  0:00                 ` Marco van de Voort
2000-08-28  0:00                   ` Gautier
2000-08-28  0:00                     ` Charles Hixson
2000-08-28  0:00                   ` Marin D. Condic
2000-08-28  0:00                     ` Marco van de Voort
2000-08-28  0:00                       ` Larry Elmore
2000-08-28  0:00                       ` Gautier
2000-08-28  0:00                         ` Marco van de Voort
2000-08-28  0:00           ` Richard Riehle
2000-08-29  6:53             ` Marco van de Voort
2000-08-26  0:00     ` Robert C. Leif, Ph.D.
2000-08-27  0:00   ` Ronald Cole
2000-08-27  0:00     ` Richard Kenner
2000-08-28  0:00       ` Ronald Cole
2000-08-27  0:00     ` David Starner
2000-08-27  0:00       ` Al Christians
2000-08-28  0:00         ` Marco van de Voort
2000-08-28  0:00           ` Gautier
2000-08-28  0:00             ` Marco van de Voort
2000-08-28  0:00           ` Al Christians
2000-08-28  0:00             ` Ray Blaak
2000-08-28  0:00         ` nabbasi
2000-08-29  0:00           ` Ehud Lamm
2000-08-29  0:00           ` Larry Kilgallen
2000-08-29  0:00             ` Marco van de Voort
2000-08-29  0:00               ` Gautier
2000-08-29  0:00                 ` Marco van de Voort
2000-08-29  0:00               ` Jonas Maebe
2000-09-06  0:38               ` John English
2000-09-08 18:41                 ` Stefan Skoglund
2000-09-08 19:24                   ` Marco van de Voort
2000-09-09 17:50                     ` Stefan Skoglund
2000-09-10 16:40                       ` Marco van de Voort
2000-09-11  0:59                         ` Ken Garlington
2000-09-11 13:01                   ` John English
2000-09-11 14:45                     ` Ehud Lamm
2000-09-11 19:32                       ` Marco van de Voort
2000-09-27 23:03                       ` John English
2000-08-29  0:00           ` Brian Rogoff
2000-08-29  0:00           ` David Starner
2000-08-29  0:00             ` Charles Hixson
2000-08-30  0:00               ` Gary Scott
2000-08-30  0:00                 ` Charles Hixson
2000-08-30  0:00                   ` Gary Scott
2000-09-06  0:26           ` John English
2000-09-06 16:08             ` Charles Hixson
2000-08-28  0:00       ` Marco van de Voort
     [not found] <01a101c0106f$745c3c70$cf18b70a@db2000>
2000-08-28  0:48 ` tmoran
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