improved type checking mafr Java popular, why not Ada also?

improved type checking mafr Java popular, why not Ada also?

[nabbasi]

I thought the Ada programmers will get a kick out of this statment,
makes one wonder why it worked for Java and not for Ada?

http://www.cs.mdx.ac.uk/harold/papers/javaspae.html

"A critique of Java
 
Harold Thimbleby
Middlesex University

....
Java has become very popular largely because its 
of its improved type checking, its run time array 
bound checks, and its removal of explicit
pointers: all these improvements can be understood 
as converting traps in C and C++ into barriers in 
Java: thus helping programmers write more robust programs... "

Re: improved type checking mafr Java popular, why not Ada also?

[Larry Kilgallen]

In article <8mfjf0$2erb@drn.newsguy.com>, nabbasi@pacbell.net.NOSAPAM writes:
> I thought the Ada programmers will get a kick out of this statment,
> makes one wonder why it worked for Java and not for Ada?
> 
> http://www.cs.mdx.ac.uk/harold/papers/javaspae.html
> 
> "A critique of Java
>  
> Harold Thimbleby
> Middlesex University
> 
> ....
> Java has become very popular largely because its 
> of its improved type checking, its run time array 
> bound checks, and its removal of explicit
> pointers: all these improvements can be understood 
> as converting traps in C and C++ into barriers in 
> Java: thus helping programmers write more robust programs... "

I do not think that has much to do with Java publicity.
I think Java has become very popular because of the use
of the byte code engine in web browsers.

I rarely encounter anyone actually compiling Java to object code,
and I often encounter people who use Java but have never thought
about the possibility of compiling to object code.

Re: improved type checking mafr Java popular, why not Ada also?

[Gautier]

> I thought the Ada programmers will get a kick out of this statment,
> makes one wonder why it worked for Java and not for Ada?

Maybe the statement misses the important aspects, such
as Sun's marketing around the Internet - opposed to
refrigerating DoD policy -, or the C syntax, to preserve
traditions - an important thing: the big rule is not
to escape too far from the 1960s...

You can write anything, with delirating chronology ("new"=cool,
"old"=disliked). Read on ZDnet that C is a successor of Modula !
http://www.zdnet.com/intweek/stories/news/0,4164,2604847,00.html

Here, something appeared yesterday in
news:comp.games.development.design - a thread with
"Java=slow vs C=fast" & Co, BTW:
<< Java is based, in more than one way, on Ada, and thus I guess you
could say that Java is at least in some ways the spiritual
successor to Pascal >> ! Very spiritual...

The better is to enjoy programming and produce (Ada) resources
that could contradict with examples all that blah blah... IMHO.
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Gautier  --  http://members.xoom.com/gdemont/gsoft.htm

Re: improved type checking mafr Java popular, why not Ada also?

[nospam]

On related issue

http://www.pvv.ntnu.no/~eddie/java.considered.fancy.html
 
"Java has been adopted as an introductory language 
by several teaching institutions, including our own, 
The Norwegian University of Science and Technology. The 
usual motivation seems to be, among other things, static 
typing for catching errors early, object-orientation and the 
motivational value of a language so closely connected 
to the Web. Also, Java seems to be selected on basis 
of its alleged "simplicity", a conception mostly due 
to its automatic storage management and abstract references. 
These factors do contribute to inhibit the haywire achievable i
n low-level languages, but the fact that they have
been removed does not mean that the real problems have been handled."