From: Gautier <gautier.demontmollin@maths.unine.ch>
Subject: Re: Desirability of C++
Date: 2000/05/08
Date: 2000-05-08T00:00:00+00:00 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <39171C37.33BF3AEA@maths.unine.ch> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 3916FB39.A08359CD@netwood.net
"E. Robert Tisdale" wrote:
> It is still hard to get really good optimizing Ada compilers
Are you sure ? You said the same exactly 1 week ago.
* What about DEC Ada ? It has very smart and aggressive optimisations
that make use of Ada features - subtyping, strong typing, precise
definition of arrays, and so on.
* What about GNAT ? The code generator has been used for successful
video games (Quake not to name it...). With the suppress_all (-gnatp),
cross-unit inlining (-gnatn), -O2 options, it rocks! And
GNAT 3.13p should have Ada-specific optimisations around array
indexing, aggregates, slices. Prior to that, I invite you
to test my small full-Ada 3D engine, compiled with 3.10p. Link below.
300 frames per second on a 450Mhz machine (~25 needed for smooth animation)!
> I don't think that you are going to get
> many C++ programmers to switch to Ada.
I don't think, too.
> I think that we would be better off
> to re-derive Ada from C++.
It's not reasonable. Pure waste of time:
1) C++ is already complicated enough. Who really understand or uses its
features, at which extent ? IT people are conservative - for
good reasons. Wait first they use "C++" rather than "C*1.001"...
2) C/C++ is indeed itself a small niche in the *whole* IT world. Think
to business, finance, banking, insurances and so on.
With normal people who have calculations to do with some data.
What do they use ? Maybe still COBOL. But more and more: Visual Basic for
Applications. With procedures, functions, if..then..elsif..endif structured
blocks, strings concatenated with '&', exception parts.
Hey, what does it look like ?... So, what can be the "natural" ISO language
for doing things in a larger scale ? Long life to JEWL, CLAW, VAD,... !
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Gautier -- http://members.xoom.com/gdemont/e3d.htm
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2000-02-04 0:00 where can we get a job with ada HollymaN
2000-02-03 0:00 ` David Kristola
2000-02-04 0:00 ` EKoerber
2000-02-04 0:00 ` Ted Dennison
2000-02-04 0:00 ` Brian Rogoff
2000-02-05 0:00 ` David Kristola
2000-02-06 0:00 ` Simon Brady
2000-02-07 0:00 ` Gareth
2000-02-07 0:00 ` Ted Dennison
2000-02-07 0:00 ` Simon Brady
2000-02-07 0:00 ` Kent Paul Dolan
2000-02-07 0:00 ` Gareth
2000-02-08 0:00 ` Kent Paul Dolan
2000-02-11 0:00 ` where can we ... [off topic] Nick Roberts
2000-02-12 0:00 ` where can we get a job with ada Jeff Carter
2000-02-07 0:00 ` Ted Dennison
2000-02-28 0:00 ` Florian Weimer
2000-02-29 0:00 ` Ted Dennison
2000-03-01 0:00 ` Wes Groleau
2000-03-04 0:00 ` Robert B. Love
2000-03-05 0:00 ` Ted Dennison
2000-03-05 0:00 ` Ada on International Space Station (Re: where can we get a job with ada) Vladimir Olensky
2000-03-08 0:00 ` Robert B. Love
2000-03-08 0:00 ` Jean St-Pierre
2000-03-08 0:00 ` Vladimir Olensky
2000-04-03 0:00 ` Andrew Thomas Wilson
2000-04-12 0:00 ` David Hoffman
2000-04-13 0:00 ` Robert B. Love
2000-04-14 0:00 ` Desirability of C++ (was Re: Ada on International Space Station (Re: where can we get a job with ada)) David Kristola
2000-04-14 0:00 ` Wes Groleau
2000-04-14 0:00 ` Desirability of C++ Stanley R. Allen
2000-04-14 0:00 ` Marin D. Condic
2000-04-15 0:00 ` Tarjei T. Jensen
2000-04-15 0:00 ` Marin D. Condic
2000-04-15 0:00 ` Tarjei T. Jensen
2000-04-17 0:00 ` Alfred Hilscher
2000-04-17 0:00 ` Gautier
2000-04-18 0:00 ` Pascal Obry
2000-04-18 0:00 ` Tarjei T. Jensen
2000-04-18 0:00 ` Gautier
2000-04-28 0:00 ` Richard D Riehle
2000-05-02 0:00 ` Tarjei T. Jensen
2000-04-23 0:00 ` David Kristola
2000-04-18 0:00 ` Tarjei T. Jensen
2000-04-17 0:00 ` Alfred Hilscher
2000-04-17 0:00 ` Marin D. Condic
2000-04-17 0:00 ` Gary Scott
2000-04-28 0:00 ` Richard D Riehle
2000-04-30 0:00 ` Robert B. Love
2000-05-01 0:00 ` Richard D Riehle
2000-05-01 0:00 ` E. Robert Tisdale
2000-04-30 0:00 ` Keith Thompson
2000-05-01 0:00 ` E. Robert Tisdale
2000-05-01 0:00 ` Keith Thompson
2000-05-01 0:00 ` Tarjei Tj�stheim Jensen
2000-05-01 0:00 ` Pascal Obry
2000-05-01 0:00 ` Gautier
2000-05-01 0:00 ` Ted Dennison
2000-05-01 0:00 ` Tarjei Tj�stheim Jensen
2000-05-01 0:00 ` Gautier
2000-05-01 0:00 ` Gautier
2000-05-01 0:00 ` Hyman Rosen
2000-05-01 0:00 ` Gautier
2000-05-01 0:00 ` Brian Rogoff
2000-05-02 0:00 ` Gautier
2000-05-02 0:00 ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2000-05-01 0:00 ` Tarjei Tj�stheim Jensen
2000-05-01 0:00 ` tmoran
2000-05-02 0:00 ` Tarjei T. Jensen
2000-05-02 0:00 ` Preben Randhol
2000-05-02 0:00 ` Keith Thompson
2000-05-02 0:00 ` Strings TP/Ada (was Desirability of C++) Gautier
2000-05-03 0:00 ` Desirability of C++ Tarjei T. Jensen
2000-05-03 0:00 ` Robert A Duff
2000-05-02 0:00 ` Gautier
2000-05-02 0:00 ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2000-05-02 0:00 ` Gautier
2000-05-02 0:00 ` Robert A Duff
2000-05-03 0:00 ` Robert I. Eachus
2000-05-03 0:00 ` Robert A Duff
2000-05-04 0:00 ` Robert I. Eachus
2000-05-03 0:00 ` Tarjei T. Jensen
2000-05-03 0:00 ` Pascal Obry
2000-05-03 0:00 ` Paul Graham
2000-05-03 0:00 ` Pascal Obry
2000-05-03 0:00 ` Paul Graham
2000-05-03 0:00 ` Robert A Duff
2000-05-04 0:00 ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2000-05-04 0:00 ` Preben Randhol
2000-05-04 0:00 ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2000-05-04 0:00 ` Preben Randhol
2000-05-04 0:00 ` Pascal Obry
2000-05-05 0:00 ` Gautier
2000-05-04 0:00 ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2000-05-03 0:00 ` Robert A Duff
2000-05-03 0:00 ` Delphi Strings (was Re: Desirability of C++) Ray Blaak
2000-05-02 0:00 ` Desirability of C++ Jean-Pierre Rosen
2000-05-03 0:00 ` Marin D. Condic
2000-05-03 0:00 ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2000-05-03 0:00 ` Wes Groleau
2000-05-04 0:00 ` Robert I. Eachus
2000-05-05 0:00 ` Marin D. Condic
2000-05-03 0:00 ` Robert A Duff
2000-05-03 0:00 ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2000-05-02 0:00 ` Al Christians
2000-05-02 0:00 ` Gautier
2000-05-02 0:00 ` Richard D Riehle
2000-05-01 0:00 ` Marin D. Condic
2000-05-01 0:00 ` E. Robert Tisdale
2000-05-01 0:00 ` Pat Rogers
2000-05-01 0:00 ` David Starner
2000-05-01 0:00 ` David Starner
2000-05-01 0:00 ` Pat Rogers
2000-05-01 0:00 ` Ted Dennison
2000-05-01 0:00 ` E. Robert Tisdale
2000-05-01 0:00 ` Gautier
2000-05-01 0:00 ` Pat Rogers
2000-05-01 0:00 ` Florian Weimer
2000-05-01 0:00 ` Ted Dennison
2000-05-01 0:00 ` Tarjei Tj�stheim Jensen
2000-05-01 0:00 ` Ted Dennison
2000-05-02 0:00 ` Florian Weimer
2000-05-02 0:00 ` Preben Randhol
2000-05-02 0:00 ` Application in Ada (was Desirability of C++) Jean-Pierre Rosen
2000-05-02 0:00 ` Ted Dennison
2000-05-02 0:00 ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2000-05-03 0:00 ` Tarjei Tj�stheim Jensen
2000-05-03 0:00 ` Ted Dennison
2000-05-01 0:00 ` Desirability of C++ Lionel Draghi
2000-05-02 0:00 ` Florian Weimer
2000-05-01 0:00 ` David Starner
2000-05-01 0:00 ` tmoran
2000-05-01 0:00 ` E. Robert Tisdale
2000-05-01 0:00 ` Pat Rogers
2000-05-01 0:00 ` Michael P. Walsh
2000-05-01 0:00 ` Pat Rogers
2000-05-01 0:00 ` E. Robert Tisdale
2000-05-02 0:00 ` Bill Greene
2000-05-01 0:00 ` Ted Dennison
2000-05-07 0:00 ` ANTHONY GAIR
2000-05-07 0:00 ` Hyman Rosen
2000-05-07 0:00 ` ANTHONY GAIR
2000-05-08 0:00 ` Hyman Rosen
2000-05-09 0:00 ` Pascal Obry
2000-05-11 0:00 ` wv12
2000-05-11 0:00 ` Warner Bruns
2000-05-18 0:00 ` Warner Bruns
2000-05-19 0:00 ` ANTHONY GAIR
2000-05-24 0:00 ` Richard Kenner
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2000-05-11 0:00 ` Frank J. Lhota
2000-05-07 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
2000-05-07 0:00 ` Richard D Riehle
2000-05-07 0:00 ` ANTHONY GAIR
2000-05-08 0:00 ` Pascal Obry
2000-05-08 0:00 ` Ehud Lamm
2000-05-08 0:00 ` Larry Kilgallen
2000-05-08 0:00 ` Mario Klebsch
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2000-05-01 0:00 ` Tarjei Tj�stheim Jensen
2000-05-01 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
2000-04-29 0:00 ` Ada on International Space Station (Re: where can we get a job with ada) Chris Johnston
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