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From: "Marin D. Condic" <mcondic-nospam@quadruscorp.com>
Subject: Re: Desirability of C++
Date: 2000/05/03
Date: 2000-05-03T11:53:11+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <39103CBE.7D5B9F4E@quadruscorp.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 8eonmi$e4q$2@wanadoo.fr

Jean-Pierre Rosen wrote:
> The difficult point is to what extent should libraries go to the standard.
> In 83, the line of the party was that there was no need to put libraries
> that could easily be written by the user; that was the reason for not having
> complex types, for example. In 95, it was recognized that this lead too
> often to people rewriting all the time the same modules with slightly
> different interfaces, and the borderline was moved to include more
> libraries - but certainly not all libraries that could be useful, or even
> desirable.
> 
I can understand the reasons for arguing that the standard should not
include libraries that are not "language" issues. Obviously the
hard-core end of the spectrum which wanted few/no libraries is no longer
in vogue with Ada95 specifying many new libraies. It would seem to me
that there might be some big advantages (for the language, at least, if
not for vendors) to letting the pendulum swing further in the other
direction. Why not specify even more libraries than are presently
available so long as they are optional annexes?

I don't think that machine dependent stuff should be included since that
is a moving target. But, for example, what would be wrong with making
some specs for various data structures, math domains, etc., where the
standard is not requiring implementation - just defining a complying
interface. This would make the language more useful and perhaps broaden
its appeal.

Standards clearly work against the vendor's immediate interests because
they narrow the ability to create product distinction and can create
extra work for little perceived return. However, if they expand the
market in general, everybody gets a bigger piece of the pie.
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Thread overview: 176+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2000-02-04  0:00 where can we get a job with ada HollymaN
2000-02-03  0:00 ` David Kristola
2000-02-04  0:00   ` EKoerber
2000-02-04  0:00     ` Ted Dennison
2000-02-04  0:00       ` Brian Rogoff
2000-02-05  0:00         ` David Kristola
2000-02-06  0:00           ` Simon Brady
2000-02-07  0:00             ` Gareth
2000-02-07  0:00               ` Kent Paul Dolan
2000-02-07  0:00                 ` Gareth
2000-02-08  0:00                   ` Kent Paul Dolan
2000-02-11  0:00                 ` where can we ... [off topic] Nick Roberts
2000-02-07  0:00               ` where can we get a job with ada Simon Brady
2000-02-07  0:00               ` Ted Dennison
2000-02-12  0:00               ` Jeff Carter
2000-02-07  0:00             ` Ted Dennison
2000-02-28  0:00             ` Florian Weimer
2000-02-29  0:00               ` Ted Dennison
2000-03-01  0:00               ` Wes Groleau
2000-03-04  0:00               ` Robert B. Love 
2000-03-05  0:00                 ` Ada on International Space Station (Re: where can we get a job with ada) Vladimir Olensky
2000-03-08  0:00                   ` Robert B. Love 
2000-03-08  0:00                     ` Jean St-Pierre
2000-03-08  0:00                     ` Vladimir Olensky
2000-04-03  0:00                   ` Andrew Thomas Wilson
2000-04-12  0:00                     ` David Hoffman
2000-04-13  0:00                       ` Robert B. Love 
2000-04-14  0:00                         ` Desirability of C++ (was Re: Ada on International Space Station (Re: where can we get a job with ada)) David Kristola
2000-04-14  0:00                           ` Wes Groleau
2000-04-14  0:00                             ` Desirability of C++ Stanley R. Allen
2000-04-14  0:00                               ` Marin D. Condic
2000-04-15  0:00                                 ` Tarjei T. Jensen
2000-04-15  0:00                                   ` Marin D. Condic
2000-04-15  0:00                                     ` Tarjei T. Jensen
2000-04-17  0:00                                   ` Alfred Hilscher
2000-04-17  0:00                                     ` Gautier
2000-04-18  0:00                                       ` Pascal Obry
2000-04-18  0:00                                       ` Tarjei T. Jensen
2000-04-18  0:00                                         ` Gautier
2000-04-28  0:00                                         ` Richard D Riehle
2000-05-02  0:00                                           ` Tarjei T. Jensen
2000-04-23  0:00                                       ` David Kristola
2000-04-18  0:00                                     ` Tarjei T. Jensen
2000-04-17  0:00                                 ` Alfred Hilscher
2000-04-17  0:00                                   ` Marin D. Condic
2000-04-17  0:00                                     ` Gary Scott
2000-04-28  0:00                               ` Richard D Riehle
2000-04-30  0:00                                 ` Robert B. Love 
2000-05-01  0:00                                   ` Richard D Riehle
2000-05-01  0:00                                     ` Tarjei Tj�stheim Jensen
2000-05-01  0:00                                     ` E. Robert Tisdale
2000-04-30  0:00                                       ` Keith Thompson
2000-05-01  0:00                                         ` E. Robert Tisdale
2000-05-01  0:00                                           ` Keith Thompson
2000-05-01  0:00                                       ` Ted Dennison
2000-05-01  0:00                                       ` Gautier
2000-05-01  0:00                                         ` E. Robert Tisdale
2000-05-01  0:00                                           ` Pat Rogers
2000-05-01  0:00                                             ` E. Robert Tisdale
2000-05-01  0:00                                               ` Pat Rogers
2000-05-01  0:00                                                 ` Michael P. Walsh
2000-05-01  0:00                                                   ` Pat Rogers
2000-05-01  0:00                                                     ` E. Robert Tisdale
2000-05-02  0:00                                                       ` Bill Greene
2000-05-01  0:00                                             ` David Starner
2000-05-01  0:00                                               ` David Starner
2000-05-01  0:00                                               ` Florian Weimer
2000-05-01  0:00                                                 ` Lionel Draghi
2000-05-02  0:00                                                   ` Florian Weimer
2000-05-01  0:00                                                 ` David Starner
2000-05-01  0:00                                                 ` tmoran
2000-05-01  0:00                                                 ` Ted Dennison
2000-05-01  0:00                                                   ` Tarjei Tj�stheim Jensen
2000-05-01  0:00                                                     ` Ted Dennison
2000-05-02  0:00                                                       ` Preben Randhol
2000-05-02  0:00                                                       ` Florian Weimer
2000-05-02  0:00                                                   ` Application in Ada (was Desirability of C++) Jean-Pierre Rosen
2000-05-02  0:00                                                     ` Ted Dennison
2000-05-02  0:00                                                       ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2000-05-03  0:00                                                       ` Tarjei Tj�stheim Jensen
2000-05-03  0:00                                                         ` Ted Dennison
2000-05-01  0:00                                               ` Desirability of C++ Pat Rogers
2000-05-01  0:00                                                 ` Ted Dennison
2000-05-01  0:00                                                   ` E. Robert Tisdale
2000-05-01  0:00                                                     ` Pat Rogers
2000-05-01  0:00                                                     ` Gautier
2000-05-01  0:00                                         ` Marin D. Condic
2000-05-01  0:00                                         ` Hyman Rosen
2000-05-01  0:00                                           ` Tarjei Tj�stheim Jensen
2000-05-01  0:00                                             ` tmoran
2000-05-02  0:00                                               ` Gautier
2000-05-02  0:00                                                 ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2000-05-02  0:00                                                   ` Gautier
2000-05-02  0:00                                                     ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2000-05-03  0:00                                                       ` Robert A Duff
2000-05-03  0:00                                                         ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2000-05-03  0:00                                                       ` Marin D. Condic [this message]
2000-05-03  0:00                                                         ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2000-05-03  0:00                                                           ` Wes Groleau
2000-05-04  0:00                                                         ` Robert I. Eachus
2000-05-05  0:00                                                           ` Marin D. Condic
2000-05-02  0:00                                                     ` Robert A Duff
2000-05-03  0:00                                                       ` Robert I. Eachus
2000-05-03  0:00                                                         ` Robert A Duff
2000-05-04  0:00                                                           ` Robert I. Eachus
2000-05-03  0:00                                                       ` Tarjei T. Jensen
2000-05-03  0:00                                                         ` Robert A Duff
2000-05-03  0:00                                                           ` Delphi Strings (was Re: Desirability of C++) Ray Blaak
2000-05-03  0:00                                                         ` Desirability of C++ Pascal Obry
2000-05-03  0:00                                                           ` Paul Graham
2000-05-03  0:00                                                             ` Pascal Obry
2000-05-03  0:00                                                               ` Paul Graham
2000-05-03  0:00                                                                 ` Robert A Duff
2000-05-04  0:00                                                               ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2000-05-04  0:00                                                                 ` Pascal Obry
2000-05-04  0:00                                                                 ` Preben Randhol
2000-05-04  0:00                                                                   ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2000-05-04  0:00                                                                     ` Preben Randhol
2000-05-05  0:00                                                             ` Gautier
2000-05-04  0:00                                                           ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2000-05-02  0:00                                               ` Tarjei T. Jensen
2000-05-02  0:00                                                 ` Preben Randhol
2000-05-02  0:00                                                   ` Strings TP/Ada (was Desirability of C++) Gautier
2000-05-02  0:00                                                   ` Desirability of C++ Keith Thompson
2000-05-03  0:00                                                   ` Tarjei T. Jensen
2000-05-03  0:00                                                     ` Robert A Duff
2000-05-02  0:00                                               ` Al Christians
2000-05-02  0:00                                             ` Gautier
2000-05-01  0:00                                           ` Gautier
2000-05-01  0:00                                             ` Brian Rogoff
2000-05-02  0:00                                               ` Gautier
2000-05-02  0:00                                             ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2000-05-02  0:00                                           ` Richard D Riehle
2000-05-01  0:00                                       ` Tarjei Tj�stheim Jensen
2000-05-01  0:00                                         ` Gautier
2000-05-01  0:00                                         ` Pascal Obry
2000-05-01  0:00                                           ` Tarjei Tj�stheim Jensen
2000-05-01  0:00                                           ` Gautier
2000-05-01  0:00                                             ` Ted Dennison
2000-05-07  0:00                                       ` ANTHONY GAIR
2000-05-07  0:00                                         ` Richard D Riehle
2000-05-07  0:00                                           ` ANTHONY GAIR
2000-05-08  0:00                                             ` Pascal Obry
2000-05-08  0:00                                               ` Ehud Lamm
2000-05-08  0:00                                                 ` Larry Kilgallen
2000-05-08  0:00                                           ` Mario Klebsch
2000-05-08  0:00                                             ` E. Robert Tisdale
2000-05-08  0:00                                               ` Gautier
2000-05-09  0:00                                               ` Stanley R. Allen
2000-05-10  0:00                                                 ` Mario Klebsch
2000-05-10  0:00                                                 ` Alfred Hilscher
2000-05-08  0:00                                           ` Stanley R. Allen
2000-05-09  0:00                                             ` Richard D Riehle
2000-05-07  0:00                                         ` Hyman Rosen
2000-05-07  0:00                                           ` ANTHONY GAIR
2000-05-08  0:00                                             ` Hyman Rosen
2000-05-09  0:00                                               ` Pascal Obry
2000-05-11  0:00                                             ` wv12
2000-05-11  0:00                                               ` Warner Bruns
2000-05-18  0:00                                                 ` ANTHONY GAIR
2000-05-18  0:00                                                 ` Warner Bruns
2000-05-19  0:00                                                   ` ANTHONY GAIR
2000-05-24  0:00                                                   ` Richard Kenner
2000-05-11  0:00                                               ` Frank J. Lhota
2000-05-07  0:00                                         ` Robert Dewar
2000-05-01  0:00                                 ` Ken Garlington
2000-04-29  0:00                         ` Ada on International Space Station (Re: where can we get a job with ada) Chris Johnston
2000-05-01  0:00                           ` Ted Dennison
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2000-05-01  0:00                         ` Desirability of C++ E. Robert Tisdale
2000-05-01  0:00                       ` Larry Kilgallen
2000-03-05  0:00                 ` where can we get a job with ada Ted Dennison
2000-03-22  0:00                 ` Florian Weimer
2000-03-05  0:00               ` David Kristola
2000-02-04  0:00 ` Stanley R. Allen
2000-02-04  0:00   ` Stanley R. Allen
2000-02-06  0:00 ` David Tannen
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