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From: g_harrison@vger.nsu.edu
Subject: Ada survival without daddy Lord Byron (was leg. mandate)
Date: 20 Dec 90 19:11:06 GMT	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <391.2770d48a@vger.nsu.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 1990Dec20.015945.24282@ico.isc.com

In article <1990Dec20.015945.24282@ico.isc.com>, rcd@ico.isc.com (Dick Dunn) writes:
> emery@linus.mitre.org (David Emery) writes:
>> >From: bwb@sei.cmu.edu (Bruce Benson)
>> >I sat in a meeting where an individual (working in one of the military
>> >service DoD secretariets) insisted that any university that got
>> >federal money (ROTC, research grants, etc.) should be told to teach
>> >Ada or have their money taken away.
>> 
>> Actually, I think there's something to be said for this idea...
> 
NO!  This sets academic freedom back 200 years!  :-)

anyway...

> I think that it's high time Ada was cut
> loose from its life-support system of government-mandated ramming-down-
> our-throats and allowed to live or die.  I'm serious.  If Ada can't sur-
> vive on its own, it's not viable.  (For the record, although I'm not much
> of an Ada fan, I do think Ada *can* survive.  It won't be the top
> language, but it has its place(s).)
> 
> In fact, I think that some of the mandated use of Ada has damaged its
> growth.  People look at it and say "oh, that's only for government work,
> and it's all tied up in bureaucracy...we don't want it."
> 

I am NOT sure Ada could survive on its own to satisfy the
language-proliferation [once] problems experienced by DoD; I also believe that
the attitude toward it would kill it almost immediately.  The press has been
full of negative comments.

[I DO hope that I am wrong!]

I have been actively programming in it for six years, but it does have some 
real faults (which I will not get into here.).  Languages like Pascal and C
have them too, but there are also many pre-conceived notions about the language
that would kill it immediately:  "Too Big," "Too hard to learn."
"Government-only languge," "Seriously flawed," "Too expensive," "Too slow,"
etc. etc.  

The non-DoD Ada efforts in this country and especially in Europe are very
interesting, and I would like to hear some of the stories (successes and
failures) about working with Ada in a non-educational and non-mandated
environment.  

> -- 
> Dick Dunn     rcd@ico.isc.com -or- ico!rcd       Boulder, CO   (303)449-2870
>    ...Mr. Natural says, "Use the right tool for the job."

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Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
1990-12-13 19:10 Legislative Mandate for Ada Michael Feldman
1990-12-13 22:12 ` Charles H. Sampson
1990-12-14  4:47   ` Michael Feldman
1990-12-14  2:59 ` g_harrison
1990-12-14 16:56 ` Bruce Benson
1990-12-14 17:00   ` Bruce Benson
1990-12-15 17:02   ` Michael Feldman
1990-12-17 18:26     ` Bruce Benson
1990-12-17 20:39       ` David Emery
1990-12-18 11:15         ` g_harrison
1990-12-18 14:10         ` RICK CARLE
1990-12-18 15:21         ` Bruce Benson
1990-12-18 22:46           ` compilers for Ada; " Paul Stachour
1990-12-20  1:59         ` Dick Dunn
1990-12-20 19:11           ` g_harrison [this message]
1990-12-21 19:15             ` Ada in Industry: Merit not Mandate Richard Pattis
1990-12-26 17:45               ` James THIELE
1990-12-17 20:57       ` Legislative Mandate for Ada Michael Feldman
1990-12-17 20:42     ` Charles H. Sampson
1990-12-17 22:13       ` Legislative Mandate for Ada; mindless translations Michael Feldman
1990-12-18 10:59       ` Legislative Mandate for Ada g_harrison
1990-12-18 17:41       ` Legislative Mandate for Ada; mindless translations Matthias Ulrich Neeracher
1990-12-14 20:59 ` Legislative Mandate for Ada Matthias Ulrich Neeracher
1990-12-15 17:50   ` Pat Rogers
1990-12-18 17:37   ` Matthias Ulrich Neeracher
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