From: "Marin D. Condic" <mcondic-nospam@quadruscorp.com>
Subject: Re: Desirability of C++
Date: 2000/04/14
Date: 2000-04-14T23:58:49+00:00 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <38F7DA95.A9E1F5@quadruscorp.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 38F7A27A.4F7729FA@raytheon.com
Stanley R. Allen wrote:
> We should seriously question the assumption that it is easier to
> hire C++ vs. Ada programmers. The entire Information Technology
> industry is facing severe hiring problems, so the shortage of
> Ada programmers is at least in part a reflection of the more
> general situation.
>
I don't know about hiring C++ programmers from experience. I know there
is a general shortage of good technical people, so C++ programmers must
be hard to get too. I *do* know that finding qualified Ada programmers
can be very difficult. I'm still looking for some in different locations
and I'm not being battered by resumes.
I also know from experience that when talking to meatware companies
(from either the perspective of a job seeker or the potential employer)
you get the reaction: "Ada? What's that?" (I might have just as well
said "Jovial" or "Spitbol" or "Befunge".)
It may not be that Ada jobs are harder to fill than C++ jobs, but there
is at least a bigger pool of people who at least know what C++ is. (If
you post qualifications "C++, MFC, Windows", at least people recognize
what that is!) Perceptually speaking, that means managers will *think*
they have a better chance of getting C++ personnel. Just bid the
salaries up & steal them from somewhere else.
I wish it were otherwise, but it would help Ada to hit a "critical mass"
of developers that would make it a player on an equal footing with C++
and Java.
MDC
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2000-02-04 0:00 where can we get a job with ada HollymaN
2000-02-03 0:00 ` David Kristola
2000-02-04 0:00 ` EKoerber
2000-02-04 0:00 ` Ted Dennison
2000-02-04 0:00 ` Brian Rogoff
2000-02-05 0:00 ` David Kristola
2000-02-06 0:00 ` Simon Brady
2000-02-07 0:00 ` Ted Dennison
2000-02-07 0:00 ` Gareth
2000-02-07 0:00 ` Ted Dennison
2000-02-07 0:00 ` Kent Paul Dolan
2000-02-07 0:00 ` Gareth
2000-02-08 0:00 ` Kent Paul Dolan
2000-02-11 0:00 ` where can we ... [off topic] Nick Roberts
2000-02-07 0:00 ` where can we get a job with ada Simon Brady
2000-02-12 0:00 ` Jeff Carter
2000-02-28 0:00 ` Florian Weimer
2000-02-29 0:00 ` Ted Dennison
2000-03-01 0:00 ` Wes Groleau
2000-03-04 0:00 ` Robert B. Love
2000-03-05 0:00 ` Ted Dennison
2000-03-05 0:00 ` Ada on International Space Station (Re: where can we get a job with ada) Vladimir Olensky
2000-03-08 0:00 ` Robert B. Love
2000-03-08 0:00 ` Jean St-Pierre
2000-03-08 0:00 ` Vladimir Olensky
2000-04-03 0:00 ` Andrew Thomas Wilson
2000-04-12 0:00 ` David Hoffman
2000-04-13 0:00 ` Robert B. Love
2000-04-14 0:00 ` Desirability of C++ (was Re: Ada on International Space Station (Re: where can we get a job with ada)) David Kristola
2000-04-14 0:00 ` Wes Groleau
2000-04-14 0:00 ` Desirability of C++ Stanley R. Allen
2000-04-14 0:00 ` Marin D. Condic [this message]
2000-04-15 0:00 ` Tarjei T. Jensen
2000-04-15 0:00 ` Marin D. Condic
2000-04-15 0:00 ` Tarjei T. Jensen
2000-04-17 0:00 ` Alfred Hilscher
2000-04-17 0:00 ` Gautier
2000-04-18 0:00 ` Tarjei T. Jensen
2000-04-18 0:00 ` Gautier
2000-04-28 0:00 ` Richard D Riehle
2000-05-02 0:00 ` Tarjei T. Jensen
2000-04-18 0:00 ` Pascal Obry
2000-04-23 0:00 ` David Kristola
2000-04-18 0:00 ` Tarjei T. Jensen
2000-04-17 0:00 ` Alfred Hilscher
2000-04-17 0:00 ` Marin D. Condic
2000-04-17 0:00 ` Gary Scott
2000-04-28 0:00 ` Richard D Riehle
2000-04-30 0:00 ` Robert B. Love
2000-05-01 0:00 ` Richard D Riehle
2000-05-01 0:00 ` E. Robert Tisdale
2000-04-30 0:00 ` Keith Thompson
2000-05-01 0:00 ` E. Robert Tisdale
2000-05-01 0:00 ` Keith Thompson
2000-05-01 0:00 ` Ted Dennison
2000-05-01 0:00 ` Gautier
2000-05-01 0:00 ` E. Robert Tisdale
2000-05-01 0:00 ` Pat Rogers
2000-05-01 0:00 ` E. Robert Tisdale
2000-05-01 0:00 ` Pat Rogers
2000-05-01 0:00 ` Michael P. Walsh
2000-05-01 0:00 ` Pat Rogers
2000-05-01 0:00 ` E. Robert Tisdale
2000-05-02 0:00 ` Bill Greene
2000-05-01 0:00 ` David Starner
2000-05-01 0:00 ` David Starner
2000-05-01 0:00 ` Pat Rogers
2000-05-01 0:00 ` Ted Dennison
2000-05-01 0:00 ` E. Robert Tisdale
2000-05-01 0:00 ` Pat Rogers
2000-05-01 0:00 ` Gautier
2000-05-01 0:00 ` Florian Weimer
2000-05-01 0:00 ` David Starner
2000-05-01 0:00 ` Lionel Draghi
2000-05-02 0:00 ` Florian Weimer
2000-05-01 0:00 ` tmoran
2000-05-01 0:00 ` Ted Dennison
2000-05-01 0:00 ` Tarjei Tj�stheim Jensen
2000-05-01 0:00 ` Ted Dennison
2000-05-02 0:00 ` Florian Weimer
2000-05-02 0:00 ` Preben Randhol
2000-05-02 0:00 ` Application in Ada (was Desirability of C++) Jean-Pierre Rosen
2000-05-02 0:00 ` Ted Dennison
2000-05-02 0:00 ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2000-05-03 0:00 ` Tarjei Tj�stheim Jensen
2000-05-03 0:00 ` Ted Dennison
2000-05-01 0:00 ` Desirability of C++ Marin D. Condic
2000-05-01 0:00 ` Hyman Rosen
2000-05-01 0:00 ` Gautier
2000-05-01 0:00 ` Brian Rogoff
2000-05-02 0:00 ` Gautier
2000-05-02 0:00 ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2000-05-01 0:00 ` Tarjei Tj�stheim Jensen
2000-05-01 0:00 ` tmoran
2000-05-02 0:00 ` Al Christians
2000-05-02 0:00 ` Gautier
2000-05-02 0:00 ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2000-05-02 0:00 ` Gautier
2000-05-02 0:00 ` Robert A Duff
2000-05-03 0:00 ` Tarjei T. Jensen
2000-05-03 0:00 ` Pascal Obry
2000-05-03 0:00 ` Paul Graham
2000-05-03 0:00 ` Pascal Obry
2000-05-03 0:00 ` Paul Graham
2000-05-03 0:00 ` Robert A Duff
2000-05-04 0:00 ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2000-05-04 0:00 ` Preben Randhol
2000-05-04 0:00 ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2000-05-04 0:00 ` Preben Randhol
2000-05-04 0:00 ` Pascal Obry
2000-05-05 0:00 ` Gautier
2000-05-04 0:00 ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2000-05-03 0:00 ` Robert A Duff
2000-05-03 0:00 ` Delphi Strings (was Re: Desirability of C++) Ray Blaak
2000-05-03 0:00 ` Desirability of C++ Robert I. Eachus
2000-05-03 0:00 ` Robert A Duff
2000-05-04 0:00 ` Robert I. Eachus
2000-05-02 0:00 ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2000-05-03 0:00 ` Robert A Duff
2000-05-03 0:00 ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2000-05-03 0:00 ` Marin D. Condic
2000-05-03 0:00 ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2000-05-03 0:00 ` Wes Groleau
2000-05-04 0:00 ` Robert I. Eachus
2000-05-05 0:00 ` Marin D. Condic
2000-05-02 0:00 ` Tarjei T. Jensen
2000-05-02 0:00 ` Preben Randhol
2000-05-02 0:00 ` Strings TP/Ada (was Desirability of C++) Gautier
2000-05-02 0:00 ` Desirability of C++ Keith Thompson
2000-05-03 0:00 ` Tarjei T. Jensen
2000-05-03 0:00 ` Robert A Duff
2000-05-02 0:00 ` Gautier
2000-05-02 0:00 ` Richard D Riehle
2000-05-01 0:00 ` Tarjei Tj�stheim Jensen
2000-05-01 0:00 ` Gautier
2000-05-01 0:00 ` Pascal Obry
2000-05-01 0:00 ` Tarjei Tj�stheim Jensen
2000-05-01 0:00 ` Gautier
2000-05-01 0:00 ` Ted Dennison
2000-05-07 0:00 ` ANTHONY GAIR
2000-05-07 0:00 ` Richard D Riehle
2000-05-07 0:00 ` ANTHONY GAIR
2000-05-08 0:00 ` Pascal Obry
2000-05-08 0:00 ` Ehud Lamm
2000-05-08 0:00 ` Larry Kilgallen
2000-05-08 0:00 ` Mario Klebsch
2000-05-08 0:00 ` E. Robert Tisdale
2000-05-08 0:00 ` Gautier
2000-05-09 0:00 ` Stanley R. Allen
2000-05-10 0:00 ` Mario Klebsch
2000-05-10 0:00 ` Alfred Hilscher
2000-05-08 0:00 ` Stanley R. Allen
2000-05-09 0:00 ` Richard D Riehle
2000-05-07 0:00 ` Hyman Rosen
2000-05-07 0:00 ` ANTHONY GAIR
2000-05-08 0:00 ` Hyman Rosen
2000-05-09 0:00 ` Pascal Obry
2000-05-11 0:00 ` wv12
2000-05-11 0:00 ` Frank J. Lhota
2000-05-11 0:00 ` Warner Bruns
2000-05-18 0:00 ` Warner Bruns
2000-05-19 0:00 ` ANTHONY GAIR
2000-05-24 0:00 ` Richard Kenner
2000-05-18 0:00 ` ANTHONY GAIR
2000-05-07 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
2000-05-01 0:00 ` Tarjei Tj�stheim Jensen
2000-05-01 0:00 ` Ken Garlington
2000-04-29 0:00 ` Ada on International Space Station (Re: where can we get a job with ada) Chris Johnston
2000-05-01 0:00 ` Ted Dennison
2000-05-01 0:00 ` Desirability of C++ Larry Kilgallen
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2000-05-01 0:00 ` E. Robert Tisdale
2000-03-22 0:00 ` where can we get a job with ada Florian Weimer
2000-03-05 0:00 ` David Kristola
2000-02-04 0:00 ` Stanley R. Allen
2000-02-04 0:00 ` Stanley R. Allen
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