GUI builder for Ada

GUI builder for Ada

[Dmitry Samsonov]

Hi!
 Would anyone tell me, where can take GUI builder for Ada under Motif ?


Thank you very much.
Olga.

Re: GUI builder for Ada

[Al Johnston]

Teleuse is still around.  It is a c language gui builder.  They have an
addon (no cost?)
called Lightning that supposedly lets you use ada.  You get a very small
set of bindings,
not enough to avoid getting/writting a real set of bindings.  We found the
lightning
addon un very unsatisfactory for a variety of reasons, including that it
uses the
teleuse (c) product in a VERY nonstandard way.  We ended up junking
lightning
and writing our ada code to meet the teleuse (c) api.  Worked well.  Only
issue
is, even with paid support for teleuse AND lightning AONIX (the vendor)
pretty much refuses to address any ada questions.  The normal response is
"the only ada support we provide is for programs using the lightning
addon".
At this point AOINX has 2 strikes against them... The 1st is the above
issue, which is being re-visited at the moment. so there is a possibility
they will see the light at some point (assuming they do not read this -g-)

the second was that they will not give you a new license key if you
do not have an active maintince contract.  There view apparently
is that they are selling you the right to use the product so long as
you have an active maint contract.  If your maint contract expires
and you loose the motherboard that the teleuse lic. is tied to then
in there view you have lost the right to use the product that they
sold you.

Shame, because the teleuse c gui-builder is fairly decent.

-al

Re: GUI builder for Ada

[Ted Dennison]

In article <38BFE6CA.914EF37@mindspring.com>,
  Al Johnston <sofeise@mindspring.com> wrote:

> Only issue is, even with paid support for teleuse AND lightning AONIX
> (the vendor) pretty much refuses to address any ada questions. The
> normal response is "the only ada support we provide is for programs
> using the lightning addon".

Actually, that attitude is prevelent in the industry. In a way its
understandable. They can hardly be expected to help with something they
have no clue about. Sure Ada doesn't affect anything, but they don't
know that.

I've found the best policy with support people is to pretend you are
using C. If you find a bug or have a problem, write a small C program
that exhibits it and send them that.

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Re: GUI builder for Ada

[Richard D Riehle]

In light of the comments, below, I am beginning to wonder if the recent
changes at Aonix are precursors of diminished interest in Ada by the new
owners.  Will Aonix follow the lead of some other former Ada-only compiler
publishers, and decide Ada is a marginal product, not worth of significant 
support and marketing effort?  With the non-voluntary departure of the most 
visible Ada advocates within Aonix, and no public announcements regarding 
commitment to the ObjectAda product line, I believe there is reason for concern.  
Maybe they simply plan to sell the Ada technology to someone else?

Richard Riehle  


In article <89p22r$slc$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,
	Ted Dennison <dennison@telepath.com> wrote:

>In article <38BFE6CA.914EF37@mindspring.com>,
>  Al Johnston <sofeise@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>> Only issue is, even with paid support for teleuse AND lightning AONIX
>> (the vendor) pretty much refuses to address any ada questions. The
>> normal response is "the only ada support we provide is for programs
>> using the lightning addon".
>
>Actually, that attitude is prevelent in the industry. In a way its
>understandable. They can hardly be expected to help with something they
>have no clue about. Sure Ada doesn't affect anything, but they don't
>know that.
>
>I've found the best policy with support people is to pretend you are
>using C. If you find a bug or have a problem, write a small C program
>that exhibits it and send them that.
>
>--
>T.E.D.
>
>http://www.telepath.com/~dennison/Ted/TED.html
>
>
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Re: GUI builder for Ada

[Jeff Creem]

While not a direct answer to your question I would take a serious look at
glade (glade.pn.org) using
the gtkAda bindings and the Gtk+ widget set unless you are tied to motif for
some other reason..

If the need arises in the future you could even port your application to
win32 (assuming you
write the rest of it portably) since there is a win32 Gtk+ port as well
(although the win32 port is still
not stable enough for production code IMHO)


----- Original Message -----
From: Dmitry Samsonov <dis@icomm.ru>
> Hi!
>  Would anyone tell me, where can take GUI builder for Ada under Motif ?
>
>
> Thank you very much.
> Olga.
>

Re: GUI builder for Ada

[Steven Hovater]

There are two that I'm aware of -
UIM/X has an Ada version
Likewise, on NT, there's RR Software's CLAW product.

Seems like TeleUse is still around, but not sure.

Regards,
Steve

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"Dmitry Samsonov" <dis@icomm.ru> wrote in message
news:89l883$6im$1@aaanet.ru...
> Hi!
>  Would anyone tell me, where can take GUI builder for Ada under Motif ?
>
>
> Thank you very much.
> Olga.
>
>

Re: GUI builder for Ada

[Ted Dennison]

In article <89l883$6im$1@aaanet.ru>,
  "Dmitry Samsonov" <dis@icomm.ru> wrote:
>  Would anyone tell me, where can take GUI builder for Ada under Motif
?

My personal favorite approach for Motif is to use a UIL GUI builder. You
can then compile it into .uid with the UIL compiler and import the whole
shebang into your Ada program with one Motif call.

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Re: GUI builder for Ada

[Dmitry Samsonov]

> My personal favorite approach for Motif is to use a UIL GUI builder. You
> can then compile it into .uid with the UIL compiler and import the whole
> shebang into your Ada program with one Motif call.

Tell me please, where I can giv more information about your GUI builder? And
is there version for Linux on Intel existing ?

Olga.

Re: GUI builder for Ada

[Ted Dennison]

In article <89qvr8$ehq$1@aaanet.ru>,
  "Dmitry Samsonov" <dis@icomm.ru> wrote:
> > My personal favorite approach for Motif is to use a UIL GUI builder.
> > You can then compile it into .uid with the UIL compiler and import
> > the whole shebang into your Ada program with one Motif call.
>
> Tell me please, where I can giv more information about your GUI
> builder? And is there version for Linux on Intel existing ?

*My* GUI builder? There is no T.E.D. GUI builder (yet :-)).

What I was referring to was the UIL language and compiler that comes as
part of every Motif distrubution. If you want more info about UIL,
just look at any good Motif book. If you have the O'Reilley X series
of books, the back part of 6B talks about it in detail.

Just about every Motif-based gui builder can read and write UIL. This is
nice becuase that means you aren't tied to any one vendor (assuming you
can resist the temptation of using any non-UIL compatable features they
might build into the GUI builder to tie you down). If they raise their
prices or go out of business, just switch to their next best competitor
and go on like nothing happened.

From the Ada side its nice because you don't have to pollute your pretty
Ada sources with all that grisly GUI setup code. Just a couple of calls
imports the whole compiled GUI; sort of like you are loading a runtime
library. Since UIL is a language designed to specify Motif GUI's, the
UIL compiler can do all sorts of sanity checks that an Ada or C compiler
could not hope to do. Also, most cosmetic GUI changes can be made
without having to recompile your Ada code at all.

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Re: GUI builder for Ada

[Lengyel Sandor]

For a free builder try Rapid. Uses. Tash (i.e. TCL)
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GUI Builder for Ada

[MassDev]

Ada developers will be glad to hear about a new visual GUI builder that
supports Motif 2.1.  Details at http://www.ics.com and at info@ics.com

Re: GUI Builder for Ada

[Fabio Caprarella]

MassDev ha scritto:
> Ada developers will be glad to hear about a new visual GUI builder that
> supports Motif 2.1.  Details at http://www.ics.com and at info@ics.com
> 
Thanks but I prefer Glade. I don't like Motif: Gtk is the future of Gui 
in Unix.

Re: GUI Builder for Ada

[Steve O'Neill]

Fabio Caprarella wrote:

> MassDev ha scritto:
> 
>> Ada developers will be glad to hear about a new visual GUI builder that
>> supports Motif 2.1.  Details at http://www.ics.com and at info@ics.com
>>
> Thanks but I prefer Glade. I don't like Motif: Gtk is the future of Gui 
> in Unix.

It's interesting that I should see Glade mentioned here at this moment. 
  I am  trying to generate Ada code from Glade 2.6.0 but seem to be 
missing Gate which performs the code generation.  Would you happen to 
know where I could find Gate for this version of Glade on Fedora Core 3?

Thank you,
Steve O'Neill

Re: GUI Builder for Ada

[Adrian Knoth]

Steve O'Neill <steve.oneill@earthlink.net> wrote:

>   I am  trying to generate Ada code from Glade 2.6.0 but seem to be 
> missing Gate which performs the code generation.  Would you happen to 
> know where I could find Gate for this version of Glade on Fedora Core 3?

gate (or gate2) should be part of GtkAda, under Debian it would
be libgtkada2-dev.


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Re: GUI Builder for Ada

[adaworks]

"MassDev" <david@ics.com> wrote in message
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> Ada developers will be glad to hear about a new
visual GUI builder that
> supports Motif 2.1.  Details at
http://www.ics.com and at info@ics.com

Looking at the web site, there is no mention of
Ada.
How can anyone tell what to download to use
Ada with this product?

Richard Riehle