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From: klimas@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com
Subject: Re: ada-c++ productivity
Date: 19 Mar 91 16:14:08 GMT	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3847.27e5f280@iccgcc.decnet.ab.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 1991Mar17.142756.25676@ecst.csuchico.edu

In article <1991Mar17.142756.25676@ecst.csuchico.edu>, rreid@ecst.csuchico.edu (Ralph Reid III) writes:
> In article <1991Mar16.205228.4268@grebyn.com> ted@grebyn.UUCP (Ted Holden) writes:
>> . . .
>>from the Feb. 11 issue of Federal Computer Week:
>>
>>   "The GSA Board of Contract appeals issued a ruling last month that
>>   could effect how the military evaluates the cost effectiveness of Ada
>>   software.
>>
>>   "The board upheld a decision by the Air Force to award a contract to
>>    a high-priced bidder based on a measure of productivity that equals
>>    three lines of Ada code per programmer per day.
>>
>>    "A lower priced bidder, and others in the Ada community, said this
>>    standard is much too low.  The protester in the case, DynaLantic
>>    Corp, offered an average of ten lines of code per day per
>>    programmer.
>>
>>    "Three lines of code per day is absurd [as if ten wasn't], said
>>    Ralph Crafts, editor of a newsletter on Ada, and an expert
>>    witness for the protester.....
>> . . .
> 
> 
> I don't know where these companies are digging up these kind of
> unproductive machine operators (I hesitate to call them real
> programmers), but they would never get through the computer science
> program here at Chico State.  It kind of makes me wonder what schools
> they came from, if they even have degrees.  The kind of productivity
> discussed in this article sounds like the level I might expect from
> beginning programming students at a junior college.  I would like to
> know what in this world could reduce a serious programmer's
> productivity to these levels.
        Ten lines of code per man day is quite believable in a corporate
	environment!  $50-$75/line of code is typical even in non military
	applications (e.g. Mentor Graphics C++ based RELEASE 8.0 supposedly
	has about a million lines of code and cost the company $75million.

	I believe the difference in code quality, testing, documentation
	and the usual intergalactic corporate overhead are the problems.
	On the other hand I'm not so sure I'd want shareware in a cruise
	missle either!

> 
> -- 
> Ralph.  SAAC member.
> ARS: N6BNO
> Compuserve: 72250.3521@compuserve.com
> email: rreid@cscihp.ecst.csuchico.edu

  parent reply	other threads:[~1991-03-19 16:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 37+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
1991-03-07 16:31 ada-c++ productivity Craig C Johnson
1991-03-08 20:58 ` Jim Showalter
1991-03-10 15:12 ` Joachim Wiese
1991-03-13 23:12   ` Joe Buck
1991-03-15  1:00     ` Robert I. Eachus
1991-03-15 22:46       ` Larry M. Jordan
1991-03-16  0:06         ` Craig Chambers
1991-03-16 20:52           ` Ted Holden
1991-03-17  8:38             ` MUNTS PHILLIP A
1991-03-17 14:27             ` Ralph Reid III
1991-03-17 20:26               ` csq031
1991-03-18  4:57               ` Michael Feldman
1991-03-18 13:25               ` Matthew S. Granger
1991-03-18 23:17               ` Paul Stachour
1991-03-19 21:17                 ` Jim Showalter
1991-03-19 16:14               ` klimas [this message]
1991-03-25 22:01               ` Terry J. Westley
1991-03-18  2:12             ` Jim Showalter
1991-03-18 18:13             ` arny.b.engelson
1991-03-19  7:44               ` Jim Showalter
1991-03-18 22:12             ` martin
1991-03-16 19:02         ` Ralph Johnson
1991-03-19 16:40           ` klimas
1991-03-21  3:12             ` Jim Showalter
1991-03-17  0:47         ` Jim Showalter
1991-03-18 23:55           ` adam
1991-03-25 12:42         ` Steven D. Litvinchouk
1991-03-17  0:40     ` Jim Showalter
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
1991-03-18 15:27 simonian richard 66449
     [not found] <668465900@<jls>
1991-03-20 14:03 ` ryer
1991-03-21 15:26   ` Gary W Smith
1991-03-21 18:50     ` Depriest
1991-03-26  2:32       ` Jim Showalter
1991-03-26 14:57         ` Michael Feldman
1991-03-27  3:09           ` Jim Showalter
1991-03-29 20:30 ` ryer
1991-04-01 14:15   ` Depriest
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