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From: Charles Hixson <charleshixsn@mail.earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Ada and GC. Was: Re: Ammo-zilla
Date: 1999/11/03
Date: 1999-11-03T00:00:00+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <38206BA1.3C1D7E79@mail.earthlink.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 7vocct$3hq$1@nnrp1.deja.com

Well... I was thinking that within the {Pragma GC} packages at a minimum
the compiler should be able to readily determine which items were
pointers and which were not.  This would put contraints on type casts
(generally a good thing anyway, even if they are sometimes needed), etc.

Actually, I was thinking of imposing even stronger limitations, (only
manage storage allocated within the package, pass return values out as
function values, but no direct access allowed, no publicly visible
access variables, any child packages to be subject to GC constraints,
etc.).  Even if the packages are limited in this manner, most of the
advantages of GC can be obtained.  If they aren't all needed, then so
much the better.

The idea here is, when one wants to make use of an efficient GC, then
one adopts such constraints as are necessary to make it easy and
efficient.  But one is able to freely link it to other sections of code
that don't have those constraints, so that one can do the parts that it
would be difficult to do in the limited framework in a more liberal
environment.  One just needs to be much more careful with allocated
storage when not inside the GC section of the code.  And, yes, their use
of memory would be nearly disjoint.  But this would allow much simpler
algorithms to be used for lattice memory structures, etc.  And would
allow most of the code to be written in the normal manner.  I may feel
that code would tend to migrate to the GC section, but this would not be
a necessity, and certainly the non-GC sections of the code could be
expected to be faster.


Robert Dewar wrote:

> In article <381F7FFA.FFF5A906@mail.earthlink.net>,
>   Charles Hixson <charleshixsn@mail.earthlink.net> wrote:
> > This would allow dynamic constructions that were isolated into
> separate
> > packages to co-exist with their more consicously manipulated
> brethern
> > within the same program.
>
> I don't see how this will help at all unless you partition
> memory into sections that cannot contain mutual pointers ...
>
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> Before you buy.






  reply	other threads:[~1999-11-03  0:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 92+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
1999-10-23  0:00 Ammo-zilla Stanley R. Allen
1999-10-24  0:00 ` Ammo-zilla Robert Dewar
1999-10-24  0:00   ` Ammo-zilla David Botton
1999-10-24  0:00 ` Ammo-zilla Aidan Skinner
1999-10-24  0:00   ` Ammo-zilla Robert Dewar
1999-10-24  0:00     ` Ammo-zilla Matthew Heaney
1999-10-24  0:00     ` Ammo-zilla David Botton
1999-10-28  0:00       ` Ammo-zilla Charles Hixson
1999-10-28  0:00         ` Ammo-zilla Matthew Heaney
1999-10-28  0:00           ` Ammo-zilla mitch
1999-10-29  0:00             ` Ammo-zilla Matthew Heaney
1999-10-28  0:00         ` Ammo-zilla Tucker Taft
1999-10-31  0:00           ` Ammo-zilla Brian Rogoff
1999-11-01  0:00             ` Ammo-zilla Robert Dewar
1999-11-01  0:00               ` Ammo-zilla Brian Rogoff
1999-11-02  0:00                 ` Ammo-zilla Robert Dewar
1999-11-02  0:00                   ` Ammo-zilla Brian Rogoff
1999-11-02  0:00               ` Ammo-zilla Robert A Duff
1999-10-28  0:00         ` Ammo-zilla Laurent Guerby
1999-10-28  0:00           ` Ammo-zilla Charles Hixson
1999-10-29  0:00             ` Ada and GC (Was Re: Ammo-zilla) Vladimir Olensky
1999-10-29  0:00               ` David Botton
1999-10-31  0:00                 ` Vladimir Olensky
1999-10-30  0:00                   ` Samuel T. Harris
1999-10-30  0:00                     ` David Botton
1999-10-28  0:00           ` Ammo-zilla David Starner
1999-10-29  0:00             ` Ammo-zilla Larry Kilgallen
1999-10-29  0:00               ` Ammo-zilla David Starner
1999-10-29  0:00                 ` Ammo-zilla Tucker Taft
1999-10-30  0:00                   ` Ammo-zilla Lutz Donnerhacke
1999-10-29  0:00                 ` Ammo-zilla Matthew Heaney
1999-10-29  0:00                   ` Ammo-zilla Charles Hixson
1999-10-29  0:00                 ` Ammo-zilla David Botton
1999-10-29  0:00                   ` Ammo-zilla mike
1999-10-29  0:00                     ` Ammo-zilla David Botton
1999-10-31  0:00                     ` Ammo-zilla Robert Dewar
1999-11-02  0:00                       ` Ammo-zilla Charles Hixson
1999-11-03  0:00                         ` Ammo-zilla Wes Groleau
1999-11-01  0:00                     ` Ammo-zilla Geoff Bull
1999-10-31  0:00                 ` Ammo-zilla Robert Dewar
1999-10-31  0:00                   ` Ammo-zilla David Starner
1999-11-01  0:00                     ` Ammo-zilla Robert Dewar
1999-11-01  0:00                     ` Ada and GC. Was: Ammo-zilla Vladimir Olensky
1999-11-01  0:00                       ` Vladimir Olensky
1999-11-01  0:00                       ` Tucker Taft
1999-11-02  0:00                         ` Vladimir Olensky
1999-11-02  0:00                         ` Robert Dewar
1999-11-02  0:00                           ` Charles Hixson
1999-11-03  0:00                             ` Robert Dewar
1999-11-03  0:00                               ` Charles Hixson [this message]
1999-11-01  0:00                     ` Ammo-zilla Robert Dewar
1999-11-01  0:00                   ` Ammo-zilla Robert A Duff
1999-11-01  0:00                     ` Ammo-zilla Robert Dewar
1999-11-02  0:00                       ` Ammo-zilla Robert A Duff
1999-11-02  0:00                         ` Ammo-zilla Robert Dewar
1999-11-03  0:00                           ` Ammo-zilla Vladimir Olensky
1999-11-03  0:00                             ` Ammo-zilla Robert Dewar
1999-11-04  0:00                               ` Ada GC (was Re: Ammo-zilla) Vladimir Olensky
1999-11-06  0:00                                 ` Robert Dewar
1999-11-06  0:00                                   ` Vladimir Olensky
1999-11-06  0:00                                     ` Robert Dewar
1999-11-06  0:00                                     ` Vladimir Olensky
1999-11-09  0:00                                     ` Robert A Duff
1999-11-10  0:00                                       ` Vladimir Olensky
1999-11-10  0:00                                         ` Richard D Riehle
1999-11-10  0:00                                           ` Nick Roberts
1999-11-12  0:00                                             ` Robert I. Eachus
1999-11-12  0:00                                               ` Didier Utheza
1999-11-12  0:00                                             ` Robert Dewar
1999-11-10  0:00                                           ` Robert A Duff
1999-11-12  0:00                                           ` Robert I. Eachus
1999-11-04  0:00                             ` Ada GC (was Ammo-zilla) Nick Roberts
1999-11-04  0:00                               ` Wes Groleau
1999-11-01  0:00                     ` Ammo-zilla Vladimir Olensky
1999-10-31  0:00                 ` Ammo-zilla Robert Dewar
1999-10-31  0:00                   ` Garbage colletion Lutz Donnerhacke
1999-11-01  0:00                     ` Robert Dewar
1999-11-01  0:00                       ` Gnat IDE (was: Garbage colletion) Ted Dennison
1999-11-01  0:00                       ` Garbage colletion Lutz Donnerhacke
1999-11-01  0:00                         ` Robert Dewar
1999-11-04  0:00                           ` Didier Utheza
1999-11-04  0:00                             ` David Starner
1999-11-01  0:00                     ` Larry Kilgallen
1999-11-01  0:00                     ` Robert Dewar
1999-11-01  0:00                       ` Lutz Donnerhacke
1999-10-30  0:00             ` Ammo-zilla Lutz Donnerhacke
1999-10-30  0:00               ` Ammo-zilla Matthew Heaney
1999-10-31  0:00             ` Ammo-zilla Robert Dewar
1999-10-29  0:00           ` Ammo-zilla Robert I. Eachus
1999-10-31  0:00         ` Ammo-zilla Robert Dewar
1999-10-24  0:00     ` Ammo-zilla Aidan Skinner
1999-10-25  0:00       ` Ammo-zilla Jean-Pierre Rosen
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