From: "Matthew Heaney" <matthew_heaney@acm.org>
Subject: Re: 'constant functions' and access constant params (was Re: Array of Variant Records Question...)
Date: 1999/09/22
Date: 1999-09-22T00:00:00+00:00 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <37e8e067@news1.prserv.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 7s9nd0$cbe@dfw-ixnews17.ix.netcom.com
In article <7s9nd0$cbe@dfw-ixnews17.ix.netcom.com> , Richard D Riehle
<LaoXhai@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> Ada does not support post-conditions. I am not persuaded that a comment will
> have any effect on a client of a design.
Every operation has a precondition and a postcondition, irrespective of
whether of not it is expressed in the language proper.
For example:
procedure Push
(Item : in Item_Type;
Stack : in out Stack_Type);
--
-- Precondition :
-- not Is_Full (Stack)
--
-- Postcondition :
--
-- Get_Top (Stack) = Item
-- Depth (Stack) = Depth (old Stack) + 1
If operations don't have postconditions, then what does invoking an
operation mean?
> We will have to agree to disagree on this. It is a simple proposition.
> Permit a designer to designate an access parameter to be constant. The client
> has a guarantee there will be no change to the incoming data. I am not sure
> why this is so difficult. We would be taking away nothing in flexibility and
> adding something in terms of the contract.
I think we're in violent agreement.
For non-private types, I think we can all agree that letting the caller know
there will be no state changes is A Good Idea. Here it's easy to specify a
postcondition that means "no state change," because the state is a public
part of the object.
However, for private types, there is no such thing as "public state," so
there is obvious difficulty in specifying a postcondition that means "no
state change."
>>How would you even write a postcondition that says "internal state of object
>>hasn't changed"? You're making a statement about internal behavior, in a
>>postcondition that describes external behavior.
>
> There are no postconditions in Ada, as mentioned earlier.
Disagree. There are postconditions, it's just that they aren't expressible
in the language proper.
> Instead of a post- condition, we can guarantee the immutability of the data,
> in the specification of the subprogram, by making an access parameter
> constant.
I think we agree that for non-private types, this is a good idea.
>>(And remember, I'm only talking about internal state changes to limited
>>private, by-reference types. Objects that are limited are always variables,
>>never constants.)
>
> I am actually not objecting to you notion regarding limited private,
> by-reference types.
Again, we seem to be in agreement.
> We are all agreed that the problem of modifying an access value can occur in
> Ada. We simply do not agree that it is worth closing the loophole created by
> this feature.
I think we do agree that it is worth closing this loophole.
Matt
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Thread overview: 69+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
1999-09-08 0:00 Array of Variant Records Question Bruce Detter
1999-09-08 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1999-09-08 0:00 ` Mike Silva
1999-09-08 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1999-09-09 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1999-09-09 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1999-09-09 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1999-09-09 0:00 ` Mark Lundquist
1999-09-09 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1999-09-09 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1999-09-09 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1999-09-10 0:00 ` Mark Lundquist
1999-09-10 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1999-09-11 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1999-09-10 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1999-09-10 0:00 ` Mark Lundquist
1999-09-10 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1999-09-11 0:00 ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
1999-09-14 0:00 ` "cast away const" (was Re: Array of Variant Records Question...) Mark Lundquist
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1999-09-22 0:00 ` Array of Variant Records Question Robert I. Eachus
1999-09-23 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1999-09-23 0:00 ` Robert I. Eachus
1999-09-22 0:00 ` Robert I. Eachus
1999-09-11 0:00 ` Richard D Riehle
1999-09-13 0:00 ` Hyman Rosen
1999-09-14 0:00 ` Mark Lundquist
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1999-09-22 0:00 ` 'constant functions' and access constant params (was Re: Array of Variant Records Question...) Richard D Riehle
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1999-09-22 0:00 ` Richard D Riehle
1999-09-22 0:00 ` Mark Lundquist
1999-09-22 0:00 ` Mark Lundquist
1999-09-22 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney [this message]
1999-09-22 0:00 ` Richard D Riehle
1999-09-22 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1999-09-22 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1999-09-23 0:00 ` Vincent Marciante
1999-09-23 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1999-09-24 0:00 ` Robert A Duff
1999-09-25 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1999-09-27 0:00 ` Richard D Riehle
1999-09-27 0:00 ` David Kristola
1999-09-27 0:00 ` Richard D Riehle
1999-09-23 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1999-09-27 0:00 ` Richard D Riehle
1999-09-28 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1999-09-28 0:00 ` Richard D Riehle
1999-09-29 0:00 ` Robert A Duff
1999-09-29 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1999-09-28 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1999-09-28 0:00 ` "Competence" (was: 'constant functions' and access constant params) Ted Dennison
1999-09-28 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1999-09-09 0:00 ` Array of Variant Records Question Brian Rogoff
1999-09-13 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1999-09-13 0:00 ` Brian Rogoff
1999-09-14 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1999-09-14 0:00 ` Brian Rogoff
1999-09-14 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1999-09-13 0:00 ` Robert A Duff
1999-09-13 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1999-09-10 0:00 ` Proposed Ada features (was Re: Array of Variant Records Question...) Mark Lundquist
1999-09-10 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1999-09-10 0:00 ` tmoran
1999-09-09 0:00 ` Array of Variant Records Question Nick Roberts
1999-09-09 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1999-09-09 0:00 ` Tucker Taft
1999-09-10 0:00 ` Nick Roberts
1999-09-08 0:00 ` Ted Dennison
1999-09-08 0:00 ` Martin C. Carlisle
1999-09-08 0:00 ` Thank you Bruce Detter
1999-09-08 0:00 ` Martin C. Carlisle
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