From: Alfred Hilscher <Alfred.Hilscher@icn.siemens.de>
Subject: Re: Code size of Ada ? was Re: Ada95 Strengths/Weaknesses.
Date: 1999/09/30
Date: 1999-09-30T00:00:00+00:00 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <37F349BB.B1F39ECF@icn.siemens.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 7sts6b$kla$1@nnrp1.deja.com
Robert Dewar wrote:
>
> In article <37F22BB1.F3524D60@icn.siemens.de>,
> Alfred Hilscher <Alfred.Hilscher@icn.siemens.de> wrote:
> > Fifteen years ago I already heared from Ada
> > vendors that the code _must_ be bigger and slower
>
> I can't imagine any Ada vendor saying that, it is nonsense.
I know that this is nonsens (I worked in compiler development for
about ten years). I think it a feeble excuse of some people to argue
why their product is not as good as others.
> Also, let's be very careful not to obfuscate here, "bigger"
> and "slower" have nothing to do with one another. We have been
I fully agree with you, nevertheeless I think that size is also a
point for discussion.
> exclusively talking about *size* of trivial programs here,
> absolutely no claim has substantiated about identical programs
> showing difference in speed performance!
Once again, _I_ have never mentioned that I'm talking _only_ about
trivial programs. Here my original text again:
Ok, so can you please tell me what I'm doing wrong ? --> All my test
(from a
simple "Hello world" upto a TCP/IP program with tasks) >-- generate much
bigger exe-files (WIN/NT or OS/2) than the C, Pascal or Modula-2
compilers I've tried. I used the default settings. What switches are
needed to generate the smallest possible code ?
> > because Ada is a
> > powerful language. Maybe this is the reason why many people
> > prefer "C".
>
> Well slower would be a concern, the fact that a hello world
> program uses 0.2 cents of disk space instead of 0.1 cents
> is a dubious concern.
That the same argument I've got from M$. "If your system, fixpack,
office... does not fitt on your disk - just buy a bigger one".
Does that mean I should work harder to get more money for bigger
disks, main memory, a faster processor ("oh, you still work with PII
with 266 MHz, thats why Word need so much time to open your document").
because others do their work "quick and dirty" (sorry, I _don't_ think
you do so).
> Well slower would be a concern, the fact that a hello world
What do you think about "Load time" ? Isn't it right that a smaller
program
is faster loaded than a bigger one ? Especially when loading is done via
LAN.
Regards,
Alfred
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1999-09-27 0:00 Ada95 Strengths/Weaknesses the middleman
1999-09-27 0:00 ` Marin David Condic
1999-09-27 0:00 ` Hyman Rosen
1999-09-28 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1999-09-28 0:00 ` Preben Randhol
1999-09-28 0:00 ` bill
1999-09-27 0:00 ` Aidan Skinner
1999-09-28 0:00 ` Steve Doiel
1999-09-28 0:00 ` Larry Kilgallen
1999-09-28 0:00 ` Preben Randhol
1999-09-28 0:00 ` Ed Falis
1999-09-28 0:00 ` Hyman Rosen
1999-09-28 0:00 ` Ed Falis
1999-09-28 0:00 ` Preben Randhol
1999-09-27 0:00 ` David Starner
1999-09-28 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1999-09-28 0:00 ` David Starner
1999-09-28 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1999-09-28 0:00 ` Ray Blaak
1999-09-28 0:00 ` David Starner
1999-09-29 0:00 ` Robert A Duff
1999-09-28 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1999-09-28 0:00 ` Code size of Ada ? was " Alfred Hilscher
1999-09-28 0:00 ` Gautier
1999-09-28 0:00 ` David Botton
1999-09-29 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1999-09-29 0:00 ` Larry Kilgallen
1999-09-29 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1999-09-29 0:00 ` Alfred Hilscher
1999-09-29 0:00 ` Ted Dennison
1999-09-29 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1999-09-30 0:00 ` Alfred Hilscher [this message]
1999-09-30 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1999-09-30 0:00 ` Ehud Lamm
1999-09-30 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
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1999-10-18 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1999-10-19 0:00 ` Code size of Ada ? Robert I. Eachus
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1999-10-19 0:00 ` Code size of Ada ? was Re: Ada95 Strengths/Weaknesses Robert I. Eachus
1999-09-30 0:00 ` tmoran
1999-09-30 0:00 ` Gautier
1999-09-30 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1999-09-30 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1999-09-30 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1999-09-29 0:00 ` Gautier
1999-09-29 0:00 ` Ed Falis
1999-09-29 0:00 ` Gautier
1999-09-29 0:00 ` tmoran
1999-09-30 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1999-09-29 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1999-09-29 0:00 ` Alfred Hilscher
1999-09-29 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1999-09-30 0:00 ` Alfred Hilscher
1999-09-30 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1999-09-30 0:00 ` Gautier
1999-09-28 0:00 ` GNAT listing file default names (was: Ada95 Strengths/Weaknesses) Larry Kilgallen
1999-09-28 0:00 ` Gautier
1999-09-29 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1999-09-29 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1999-09-29 0:00 ` Larry Kilgallen
1999-09-29 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1999-09-29 0:00 ` Larry Kilgallen
1999-09-30 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1999-09-28 0:00 ` Ada95 Strengths/Weaknesses David Starner
1999-09-28 0:00 ` Ted Dennison
1999-09-28 0:00 ` Simon Wright
1999-09-28 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1999-09-28 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1999-09-28 0:00 ` David Starner
1999-09-29 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1999-09-30 0:00 ` Pragma (was Re: Ada95 Strengths/Weaknesses.) Preben Randhol
1999-09-30 0:00 ` Preben Randhol
1999-09-28 0:00 ` Ada95 Strengths/Weaknesses p.obry
1999-09-28 0:00 ` David Starner
1999-09-28 0:00 ` Richard D Riehle
1999-09-28 0:00 ` Gautier
1999-09-28 0:00 ` Ed Falis
1999-09-28 0:00 ` David Starner
1999-09-29 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1999-09-28 0:00 ` David Starner
1999-09-29 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1999-09-28 0:00 ` the middleman
1999-09-27 0:00 ` J. David Bryan
1999-09-27 0:00 ` Steve Doiel
1999-09-28 0:00 ` Geoff Bull
1999-09-28 0:00 ` Geoff Bull
1999-09-29 0:00 ` the middleman
1999-09-29 0:00 ` Robert A Duff
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