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From: Marin David Condic <condicma@bogon.pwfl.com>
Subject: Re: How many different processors do you use?
Date: 1999/06/28
Date: 1999-06-28T00:00:00+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <37777DAC.68C697DD@pwfl.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 37739338.761297047@news.bellglobal.com

Lew Pitcher wrote:
> 
> Could not the "Defense Contractor" billing mindset also figure into this?
> Since Ada was/is the required language for DOD work, it might suffer from
> the same inflationary pricing that introduced multi-hundred dollar toilet seats
> to the DOD.
> 

This is a bit of a myth. The legendary $400 hammers come not from
unscrupulous defense contractors, but rather as a consequence of the
DoD's own accounting rules. Say you contract with the DoD to deliver 25
M1 Abrahms tanks. In the contract will be certain things besides the
tanks themselves. Service manuals, test equipment, maintenance kits
(complete with hammers! :-) training, support, etc. A whole laundry list
of line items. Now, you have your developmental costs (engineering) and
your manufacturing costs. The hammer may have been manufactured or
purchased at a cost of $5.00, but the accounting rules say you have to
distribute that huge engineering cost across all of the deliverables. So
$5.00 in cost plus markup *plus* development cost for the whole package
equals $400. It makes for interesting TV with Mike Wallace on 60
Minutes, or for Senators to pontificate on in front of the cameras, but
it is a huge distortion of the truth, bordering on calumny.

Trust me. We in the defense contracting business are *not* driving
around in limos and sucking up gravy on $600 coffee pots and such. We
get squeezed every bit as hard as our commercial counterparts -
sometimes even harder because we have one and only one customer who, if
he doesn't like the price and takes a hike, we're out of work.

MDC
-- 
Marin David Condic
Real Time & Embedded Systems, Propulsion Systems Analysis
United Technologies, Pratt & Whitney, Large Military Engines
M/S 731-95, P.O.B. 109600, West Palm Beach, FL, 33410-9600
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1999-06-08  0:00         ` How many different processors do you use? muddy_buddy
1999-06-08  0:00           ` Robert Dewar
1999-06-09  0:00             ` Something doesn't compute here (was Re: How many different processors do you use?) David Kristola
1999-06-09  0:00               ` Elizabeth D Rather
1999-06-09  0:00               ` Jerry Petrey
1999-06-09  0:00                 ` Jim Prince
1999-06-12  0:00                   ` Aidan Skinner
1999-06-09  0:00             ` How many different processors do you use? muddy_buddy
1999-06-09  0:00               ` Robert Dewar
1999-06-09  0:00                 ` muddy_buddy
1999-06-10  0:00                   ` Robert Dewar
1999-06-10  0:00                     ` Hyman Rosen
1999-06-10  0:00                     ` muddy_buddy
1999-06-10  0:00                       ` tmoran
1999-06-10  0:00                       ` Robert Dewar
1999-06-11  0:00                         ` muddy_buddy
1999-06-12  0:00                           ` Robert Dewar
1999-06-12  0:00                           ` Robert Dewar
1999-06-10  0:00                       ` Robert Dewar
1999-06-10  0:00                       ` dennison
1999-06-10  0:00                         ` Robert B. Love 
1999-06-11  0:00                           ` muddy_buddy
1999-06-10  0:00                   ` tmoran
1999-06-10  0:00                     ` muddy_buddy
1999-06-10  0:00                       ` tmoran
1999-06-10  0:00                   ` Dale Stanbrough
1999-06-10  0:00                 ` rawcswi
1999-06-10  0:00                   ` Robert Dewar
1999-06-10  0:00                     ` rawcswi
1999-06-20  0:00                       ` Eric Roesinger
1999-06-09  0:00           ` Markus Kuhn
1999-06-09  0:00             ` Jon Kirwan
1999-06-09  0:00               ` Markus Kuhn
1999-06-09  0:00               ` dennison
1999-06-09  0:00               ` Ed Avis
1999-06-10  0:00                 ` Robert Dewar
1999-06-10  0:00                 ` Jon Kirwan
1999-06-09  0:00               ` Ada95 (was: How many different processors do you use?) Markus Kuhn
1999-06-10  0:00               ` How many different processors do you use? John Kodis
1999-06-09  0:00                 ` martin lytz
1999-06-09  0:00                 ` Keith Thompson
1999-06-10  0:00                 ` Tucker Taft
1999-06-10  0:00                   ` Steve O'Neill
1999-06-10  0:00                     ` Fraser Wilson
1999-06-11  0:00                     ` David Botton
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1999-06-11  0:00                       ` fraser
1999-06-11  0:00                         ` Tucker Taft
1999-06-10  0:00                   ` Tucker Taft
1999-06-10  0:00                 ` Robert Dewar
1999-06-10  0:00             ` Everett M. Greene
1999-06-11  0:00               ` Dale Stanbrough
1999-06-11  0:00               ` Robert Dewar
1999-06-11  0:00                 ` Dave Hansen
1999-06-11  0:00                   ` martin lytz
1999-06-12  0:00                 ` Roger Espel Llima
1999-06-12  0:00               ` markh
1999-06-12  0:00                 ` Robert Dewar
1999-06-13  0:00                   ` markh
1999-06-25  0:00                     ` Robert Dewar
1999-06-25  0:00                       ` Lew Pitcher
1999-06-28  0:00                         ` Robert Dewar
1999-06-28  0:00                         ` Marin David Condic [this message]
1999-06-28  0:00                           ` Michael A. Covington
1999-06-28  0:00                             ` Marin David Condic
1999-06-29  0:00                               ` Michael A. Covington
1999-06-29  0:00                                 ` Richard Kettlewell
1999-06-30  0:00                                   ` Robert I. Eachus
1999-07-08  0:00                                     ` Stefan Skoglund
1999-07-09  0:00                                       ` no-one
1999-06-28  0:00                         ` Robert Dewar
1999-06-28  0:00                           ` Marin David Condic
1999-06-28  0:00                             ` Dan Nagle
1999-06-12  0:00               ` mjsilva
1999-06-14  0:00                 ` Everett M. Greene
1999-06-25  0:00                   ` Robert Dewar
1999-06-26  0:00                     ` Everett M. Greene
1999-06-28  0:00                       ` Robert Dewar
1999-06-10  0:00             ` Greg Martin
1999-06-09  0:00           ` Matt Cox
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