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From: Tucker Taft <stt@averstar.com>
Subject: Re: Ada OO Mechanism
Date: 1999/06/08
Date: 1999-06-08T00:00:00+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <375D9A3D.E1CCCC63@averstar.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: t7r9nmz8ou.fsf@calumny.jyacc.com

Hyman Rosen wrote:
> 
> kilgallen@eisner.decus.org (Larry Kilgallen) writes:
> > The fact that GNAT allocates it in one place does not mean all compilers
> > will do it in the same place.  Is your question specifically "how does
> > GNAT do this ?" ?
> 
> I am trying to understand the mechanism behind T'Class. I have been told
> that the size of such variables is determined at run-time, and also that
> the heap is not required for such variables.
> 
> So, to anyone, if you don't mind taking the time to explain, how does
> <compiler of your choice> implement this?

Several compilers use what is called a "secondary stack" (or a "data stack"),
as distinct from the "primary stack" (or "control stack").
The secondary stack is generally managed in a mark/release manner.
There is one per task.  On entry to a subprogram or block the
secondary stack is marked, and prior to exit, the secondary stack is
released.  In the interim objects of run-time-determined size may
be allocated as needed.  A pointer to the object is generally stored
on the primary stack.

For functions that return objects of size unknown to the caller, the
function creates the object on (or copies the object to) the secondary
stack, and then returns from the function *without* releasing the
secondary stack.  The caller takes care of releasing the secondary stack
once they are through with using the returned object.

There are other compilers that use "local" heaps, or other heap-based
mechanisms.  They all still typically use some kind of mark/release,
though it may be a mark/release on a linked-list of objects, rather
than on a secondary stack.

> 
> Also, I stated in an earlier message that I thought not allowing T'Class
> variables in records was not orthogonal, but understandable in light of
> the above. Now, suppose I need a function that returns a pair of values,
> one of which is a T'Class and the other a boolean. Is there a way to do
> this? I can't return a record containing the pair, because I can't have
> such a record. I assume that a procedure with a pair of out parameters
> won't work, because the T'Class variable which receives the output must
> be initialized when declared, and then its tag can't change. So, is there
> a way?

No.  Once you need to combine a class-wide value with something else,
you will have to use the heap explicitly.  (I suppose you could
add an "access Boolean" parameter to a function if you wanted to return
a Boolean as well as a class-wide value.)

As pointed out by Markus Kuhn, Ada goes one (important, in my mind) step
beyond C/C++ by providing built-in, safe support for objects whose size
is not known at compile-time.  However this support is not completely
flexible -- it is generally restricted to cases where the size is known
at the time when the object is declared. Explicit use of the heap is the 
fallback approach when you need more flexibility than is directly supported.
-- 
-Tucker Taft   stt@averstar.com   http://www.averstar.com/~stt/
Technical Director, Distributed IT Solutions  (www.averstar.com/tools)
AverStar (formerly Intermetrics, Inc.)   Burlington, MA  USA




  reply	other threads:[~1999-06-08  0:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 116+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
1999-05-20  0:00 Ada OO Mechanism Shawn M. Root
1999-05-20  0:00 ` Samuel Mize
1999-05-20  0:00   ` David Botton
1999-05-20  0:00     ` Samuel Mize
1999-05-20  0:00       ` David Botton
1999-05-24  0:00   ` Hyman Rosen
1999-05-24  0:00     ` Robert Dewar
1999-05-24  0:00       ` Hyman Rosen
1999-05-24  0:00         ` David Starner
1999-05-24  0:00           ` bob
1999-05-24  0:00             ` David Starner
1999-05-25  0:00               ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
1999-05-25  0:00                 ` Mark A Biggar
1999-05-25  0:00                   ` Hyman Rosen
1999-05-25  0:00                     ` Samuel Mize
1999-05-25  0:00                       ` Hyman Rosen
1999-05-25  0:00                         ` Richard D Riehle
1999-05-25  0:00                           ` Hyman Rosen
1999-05-26  0:00                             ` Ray Blaak
1999-05-26  0:00                               ` Hyman Rosen
1999-05-26  0:00                               ` Richard D Riehle
1999-05-26  0:00                                 ` Hyman Rosen
1999-05-27  0:00                                   ` Richard D Riehle
1999-06-05  0:00                                     ` Matthew Heaney
1999-06-07  0:00                                       ` Hyman Rosen
1999-05-28  0:00                                   ` Laurent Guerby
1999-06-05  0:00                                   ` Matthew Heaney
1999-06-07  0:00                                     ` Hyman Rosen
1999-06-08  0:00                                       ` Robert Dewar
1999-06-08  0:00                                         ` Stanley R. Allen
1999-06-08  0:00                                         ` Markus Kuhn
1999-06-08  0:00                                           ` Stanley R. Allen
1999-06-08  0:00                                       ` Matthew Heaney
1999-06-08  0:00                                         ` Hyman Rosen
1999-06-08  0:00                                           ` Samuel Mize
1999-06-08  0:00                                             ` Hyman Rosen
     [not found]                           ` <t7zp2sr6yf.fsf@calumny.jyacc.c <t7r9nmz8ou.fsf@calumny.jyacc.com>
1999-06-08  0:00                             ` Larry Kilgallen
1999-06-08  0:00                               ` Hyman Rosen
1999-06-14  0:00                                 ` Robert A Duff
     [not found]                           ` <t7zp2sr6yf.fsf@calumny.jyacc.c <t7emjmmx8w.fsf@calumny.jyacc.com>
1999-06-08  0:00                             ` Larry Kilgallen
1999-06-08  0:00                               ` Hyman Rosen
1999-06-08  0:00                                 ` Tucker Taft [this message]
1999-06-08  0:00                                   ` Brian Rogoff
1999-06-09  0:00                                   ` Robert Dewar
     [not found]                                   ` < <375E92CB.27850620@averstar.com>
1999-06-09  0:00                                     ` Brian Rogoff
1999-06-14  0:00                                       ` Robert A Duff
1999-06-09  0:00                                   ` Tucker Taft
1999-06-09  0:00                                 ` Samuel Mize
1999-06-09  0:00                                 ` Matthew Heaney
     [not found]                           ` <t7zp2sr6yf.fsf@calumny.jyacc.c <375d9a3d.e1cccc63@averstar.com>
1999-06-09  0:00                             ` Larry Kilgallen
1999-06-09  0:00                               ` Tucker Taft
1999-05-25  0:00                         ` Samuel Mize
1999-05-25  0:00                           ` Chris
1999-05-25  0:00                             ` David Botton
1999-05-27  0:00                               ` Aidan Skinner
1999-05-27  0:00                                 ` Gautier
1999-05-27  0:00                             ` Samuel Mize
1999-05-25  0:00                         ` Brian Rogoff
1999-05-25  0:00                           ` Jim
1999-05-26  0:00                           ` Robert Dewar
1999-05-26  0:00                             ` Brian Rogoff
1999-05-27  0:00                         ` Samuel Mize
1999-05-27  0:00                           ` Hyman Rosen
1999-05-28  0:00                             ` Samuel Mize
1999-05-28  0:00                             ` Laurent Guerby
1999-05-28  0:00                               ` Richard D Riehle
1999-05-28  0:00                                 ` Tom Moran
1999-05-27  0:00                         ` Samuel Mize
1999-05-27  0:00                           ` Jon S Anthony
1999-05-25  0:00                     ` Richard D Riehle
1999-05-25  0:00                       ` David Botton
1999-05-26  0:00                         ` Tom Moran
1999-05-27  0:00                       ` Aidan Skinner
1999-05-28  0:00                     ` Robert I. Eachus
1999-05-28  0:00                       ` Brian Rogoff
1999-05-29  0:00                       ` Ehud Lamm
1999-05-30  0:00                         ` chris
1999-05-30  0:00                           ` Harry George
1999-05-30  0:00                             ` Vladimir Olensky
1999-05-31  0:00                               ` Robert Dewar
1999-05-30  0:00                           ` Robert Dewar
1999-05-31  0:00                           ` Vladimir Olensky
1999-06-03  0:00                             ` Dale Stanbrough
1999-06-02  0:00                               ` mike
1999-06-03  0:00                                 ` Robert Dewar
1999-06-06  0:00                                   ` David Botton
1999-06-07  0:00                                     ` Robert Dewar
1999-06-01  0:00                           ` Richard D Riehle
1999-06-03  0:00                         ` Matthew Heaney
1999-06-03  0:00                     ` Matthew Heaney
1999-05-25  0:00                 ` Florian Weimer
1999-05-24  0:00         ` Mike
1999-05-25  0:00           ` Robert Dewar
1999-05-25  0:00     ` Samuel Mize
1999-05-25  0:00       ` Hyman Rosen
1999-05-25  0:00         ` David Starner
1999-05-26  0:00         ` Laurent Guerby
1999-05-26  0:00           ` Hyman Rosen
1999-05-28  0:00             ` Laurent Guerby
1999-06-01  0:00               ` Hyman Rosen
1999-06-03  0:00                 ` Fraser Wilson
1999-05-26  0:00         ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
1999-06-03  0:00     ` Matthew Heaney
1999-06-03  0:00       ` Hyman Rosen
1999-05-21  0:00 ` Dale Stanbrough
1999-05-20  0:00   ` bob
1999-05-21  0:00     ` Dale Stanbrough
1999-05-21  0:00   ` Richard D Riehle
1999-05-21  0:00     ` Shawn M. Root
1999-05-21  0:00       ` Richard D Riehle
1999-05-25  0:00         ` Shawn M. Root
1999-05-21  0:00     ` Marin David Condic
1999-05-21  0:00       ` Dan Nagle
1999-05-24  0:00         ` Marin David Condic
1999-05-21  0:00       ` Steve
1999-05-25  0:00   ` Don Overheu
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