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From: Marin David Condic <condicma@bogon.pwfl.com>
Subject: Re: A question for my personal knowledge.
Date: 1999/05/17
Date: 1999-05-17T00:00:00+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <37407533.DA7DCBAE@pwfl.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 7hp5qk$at@zk2nws.zko.dec.com

Charlie McCutcheon wrote:
> 
> I think "interesting we don't do that here" generally translates to "we're not
> interested in training you - NEXT".  If you don't have the specific language
> skills they want, you're not considered for the job.  That's a negative if you
> wanted the job.  So if Ada is not wanted with employers, Ada programmers worry
> about being employable.
> 
I think you missed the original issue. It isn't a case of telling the
prospective employer "I know language X and have been programming in
nothing else but language X for the last 40 years and I don't know any
other languages." It was originally posited that knowing language X
would be viewed as a negative.

For example, I'm interviewing for an embedded programming position where
the languages involved are SNOBOL and Lisp. I tell the interviewer, "Why
yes, I know and have used in practical projects SNOBOL and Lisp. As a
matter of fact I was on the design team that invented both of these
languages. I've been called into court to testify as an expert witness
on the precise interpretations of both SNOBOL and Lisp. Why, I could
roughly estimate the amount of absolutely flawless lines of SNOBOL and
Lisp I've written as easily going into the billions. Oh, and I also have
used Ada in case you ever want to use that in an embedded system."

The employer turns and says "Hmmmmm... Ada, eh? I'm terribly sorry, but
we don't allow Ada speakers to work here. We feel that anyone who
bothers to learn Ada must be a member of a criminal subclass, a
dangerous Bolshevek revolutionary, a rebellious malcontent and a freak
of nature who could *never* fit into civilized society. Now I'll thank
you sir to leave before I call security!"

Somehow I can't find that scenario to be realistic. Somehow, I have some
faith in people who hire software engineers to have some knowledge of
what it is they are supervising and that they wouldn't hold knowledge of
a given language against someone, provided they were well qualified for
the task at hand. They might foolishly overlook an otherwise qualified
Software Engineer for lack of experience with their language of the day
- a dumb move, if you ask most of us - but I couldn't see people being
so stupid or bigoted that they would actually hold knowledge of a
specific language against someone.

MDC
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  parent reply	other threads:[~1999-05-17  0:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 58+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
1999-05-10  0:00 A question for my personal knowledge Siamak Kaveh
1999-05-10  0:00 ` Larry Kilgallen
1999-05-10  0:00   ` Keith Thompson
1999-05-12  0:00     ` Charlie McCutcheon
1999-05-12  0:00       ` Werner Pachler
1999-05-17  0:00         ` Charlie McCutcheon
1999-05-17  0:00           ` bglbv
1999-05-17  0:00             ` Larry Kilgallen
1999-05-18  0:00               ` bglbv
1999-05-19  0:00                 ` Larry Kilgallen
1999-05-10  0:00 ` Sam
1999-05-10  0:00 ` Roy Grimm
1999-05-11  0:00   ` Pascal Obry
1999-05-11  0:00     ` Roy Grimm
1999-05-11  0:00       ` Robert Dewar
1999-05-11  0:00         ` dennison
1999-05-13  0:00           ` Mike Yoder
1999-05-13  0:00             ` Mike
1999-05-13  0:00               ` Martin C. Carlisle
1999-05-14  0:00               ` Dale Stanbrough
1999-05-13  0:00                 ` Mike
1999-05-13  0:00                   ` David Starner
1999-05-18  0:00                     ` Georg Bauhaus
1999-05-13  0:00                   ` Brian Rogoff
1999-05-14  0:00                   ` Dale Stanbrough
1999-05-14  0:00                   ` Florian Weimer
1999-05-14  0:00                     ` Steve
1999-05-15  0:00                       ` Florian Weimer
1999-05-15  0:00                         ` Matthew Heaney
1999-05-15  0:00                   ` Matthew Heaney
1999-05-18  0:00               ` Richard D Riehle
1999-05-18  0:00                 ` Hyman Rosen
1999-05-18  0:00                   ` Richard D Riehle
1999-05-18  0:00                     ` Hyman Rosen
1999-05-19  0:00                       ` Richard D Riehle
1999-05-11  0:00         ` Roy Grimm
1999-05-12  0:00           ` Robert A Duff
1999-05-11  0:00       ` Marin David Condic
1999-05-11  0:00         ` Roy Grimm
1999-05-11  0:00           ` Tucker Taft
1999-05-11  0:00             ` Roy Grimm
1999-05-12  0:00         ` Roger Racine
1999-05-12  0:00           ` Marin David Condic
1999-05-17  0:00             ` Charlie McCutcheon
1999-05-17  0:00               ` Larry Kilgallen
1999-05-17  0:00                 ` Chris
1999-05-17  0:00                   ` Marin David Condic
1999-05-17  0:00               ` Marin David Condic [this message]
1999-05-17  0:00             ` Richard D Riehle
1999-05-18  0:00               ` Marin David Condic
1999-05-18  0:00                 ` bglbv
1999-05-18  0:00                   ` William B. Clodius
1999-05-10  0:00 ` Marin David Condic
1999-05-10  0:00   ` Paul Whittington
1999-05-10  0:00     ` Marin David Condic
1999-05-10  0:00 ` Dan Nagle
1999-05-11  0:00 ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
1999-05-11  0:00   ` Robert Dewar
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