From: jmarten@ibm.net (Jean-Marten Marchi)
Subject: Re: Java momentum slowing ?
Date: 1999/05/03
Date: 1999-05-03T00:00:00+00:00 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <372d6106.5099983@news2.ibm.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 7ghad5$1mma@drn.newsguy.com
On 2 May 1999 03:45:57 -0700, Bob@nospam wrote:
>In article <372f0ed9.104817048@news2.ibm.net>, jmarten@ibm.net says...
>
>As for applets, I think it becuase applets take more time to load, and
>the more logic you add to the, the more btye code, and the longer it
>takes to download.
>
>And also there are other technologies to do something similar to
>applets (ie. logic that execute inside the browser) such as javaScript
>(which have nothing to do with Java). Even plain HTML can do
>the job just fine for data entry from the client. Also browsers a
>re not yet standardized in term of JVM support.
This is problem one, with Java. It has not succeeded where it was the
most easy.
>If you need to write multithreaded applications on the server side, the
>choices are to either use C++ and some external threads library
>with all the problems of porting issues from one platform to another,
>or use Java. (Ada would be a great choice also for server side applications,
>but for some reason it is not used here). Java is better integrated with
>Corba also, and many who write corba apps in Java say it is easier than
>C++ with corba.
On the server side, i don't understand why Java would be so useful.
There's no GUI to drive, it has to be fast But, maybe i'm wrong ?
>
>(Actually I also think Gnat+Linux are a very powerfull combination, and
>I would like to see more Ada application on Linux. There is a window here
>for Ada as Linux becomes more used. I do not think Ada on windows has much
>of chance as it would have on an open system like Unix.
We are totally in sync on this point. Effectively, i see that there's
a huge opportunity there for Ada. (let's me modest, i imagine that
i'm not alone)
>
>Java is niche? you must be joking. right? tell that to IBM who is investing
>billions on Java, tell that to Cisco who is writing all of their network
>management SNMP code in Java, tell that to any of the large companies who
>are now writing most of their new applications in Java. Try to look at the
>programming jobs out there and see for yourself.
I'm sometime a bit excessive. But it was just to illustrate that the
momentum is so slowing that it will be niche soon. We have not to be
too serious !
As for IBM, they can jump in the Linux bandwagon anytime soon, just
putting their java in maintenance mode for their customers who bought
the Java hype too fast... Doing so, they wouldn't have to deal with a
- partner - like Sun ...
Cordially,
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1999-04-29 0:00 Java momentum slowing ? Jean-Marten Marchi
1999-04-29 0:00 ` Corey Ashford
1999-04-29 0:00 ` x
[not found] ` <7gesv8$1bol@drn.newsguy.com>
1999-05-02 0:00 ` Corey Ashford
1999-05-01 0:00 ` Mike
1999-05-02 0:00 ` Tarjei Tj�stheim Jensen
1999-05-03 0:00 ` dvdeug
1999-05-04 0:00 ` Tarjei Tj�stheim Jensen
1999-05-04 0:00 ` David Starner
1999-05-05 0:00 ` Tarjei Tj�stheim Jensen
1999-05-05 0:00 ` bob
1999-05-05 0:00 ` David Starner
1999-05-02 0:00 ` Corey Ashford
1999-05-02 0:00 ` David Botton
1999-05-03 0:00 ` Jean-Marten Marchi
1999-05-02 0:00 ` David Botton
1999-05-02 0:00 ` bob
1999-05-02 0:00 ` Mitch
1999-05-02 0:00 ` Tom
1999-05-02 0:00 ` Corey Ashford
1999-05-04 0:00 ` Andrzej Lewandowski
1999-04-30 0:00 ` Tony Huynh
1999-04-30 0:00 ` Jean-Marten Marchi
[not found] ` <7gdlca$2j5l@drn.newsguy.com>
1999-05-02 0:00 ` Jean-Marten Marchi
1999-05-02 0:00 ` Bob
1999-05-03 0:00 ` Jean-Marten Marchi [this message]
1999-05-06 0:00 ` Richard D Riehle
1999-05-06 0:00 ` Matthew Whiting
1999-05-06 0:00 ` Renaming Ada (Re: Java momentum slowing ?) David Botton
1999-05-06 0:00 ` bob
1999-05-07 0:00 ` dennison
1999-05-07 0:00 ` P.S. Norby
1999-05-07 0:00 ` Corey Ashford
1999-05-07 0:00 ` Ada2001
1999-05-07 0:00 ` dennison
1999-05-10 0:00 ` Nick Roberts
1999-05-10 0:00 ` Marin David Condic
1999-05-07 0:00 ` carlislemc
1999-05-07 0:00 ` Ronald Cole
1999-05-07 0:00 ` Matthew Whiting
1999-05-10 0:00 ` Jean-Marten Marchi
1999-05-07 0:00 ` Java momentum slowing ? Bob Munck
1999-05-07 0:00 ` Martin C. Carlisle
1999-05-08 0:00 ` steve
1999-05-09 0:00 ` bill
1999-05-09 0:00 ` Simon Wright
1999-05-14 0:00 ` Pascal Obry
1999-05-09 0:00 ` Pascal F. Martin
1999-05-09 0:00 ` David Botton
1999-05-09 0:00 ` Pascal F. Martin
1999-05-09 0:00 ` David Botton
1999-05-09 0:00 ` bill
1999-05-09 0:00 ` David Botton
1999-05-09 0:00 ` Steve
1999-05-10 0:00 ` David Botton
1999-05-11 0:00 ` David Botton
1999-05-11 0:00 ` bob
1999-05-12 0:00 ` Lance Kibblewhite
1999-05-12 0:00 ` David Botton
1999-05-12 0:00 ` Lance Kibblewhite
1999-05-12 0:00 ` Hyman Rosen
1999-05-12 0:00 ` David Botton
1999-05-12 0:00 ` Dave
1999-05-13 0:00 ` Pat Rogers
1999-05-13 0:00 ` David Botton
1999-05-13 0:00 ` Simon Wright
1999-05-12 0:00 ` Keith Thompson
1999-05-14 0:00 ` Jean-Marten Marchi
1999-05-14 0:00 ` [OT] " Clayton Weaver
1999-05-09 0:00 ` bob
1999-05-09 0:00 ` David Botton
1999-05-10 0:00 ` Pascal Obry
1999-05-10 0:00 ` Rob
1999-05-10 0:00 ` Pascal F. Martin
1999-05-10 0:00 ` Florian Weimer
1999-05-10 0:00 ` Jean-Marten Marchi
1999-05-10 0:00 ` Pascal Obry
1999-05-10 0:00 ` Mitch
1999-05-10 0:00 ` Pascal Obry
1999-05-11 0:00 ` Jean-Marten Marchi
1999-05-10 0:00 ` Jean-Marten Marchi
1999-05-10 0:00 ` Jean-Marten Marchi
1999-05-10 0:00 ` Jean-Marten Marchi
1999-05-22 0:00 ` olefevre
1999-05-22 0:00 ` Bob
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