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From: mbk@inls1.ucsd.edu (Matt Kennel)
Subject: Re: Mut. Recurs. in Ada9X w/o Breaking Encaps.? (LONG)
Date: 2 Oct 1994 23:33:30 GMT
Date: 1994-10-02T23:33:30+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <36ng0a$4bt@network.ucsd.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 1994Oct2.164105.13127@swlvx2.msd.ray.com

John Volan (jgv@swl.msd.ray.com) wrote:

: That's my fear as well.  That's why I've been trying very hard to find
: an Ada9X solution.  Eiffel can do decoupled mutual recursion standing on its
: head.  Smalltalk virtually swims in a sea of decoupled mutual recursion 
: (trivial in a typeless language). 
: I agree wholeheartedly with the *goal*, but not with the *means* you suggest.


: Goal: Some kind of "forward declaration" that crosses package boundaries.
: (Good and worthy goal.)

: Means: Some way for package specifications to use access types in other
: packages that *haven't been compiled yet*.  (Horrible means, terrible 
: implications, shudder, shudder :-)

: Actually, I have a better idea.  Let's take a bit of inspiration from a
: notion that is already intrinsic to the design of Ada:  Although a package is
: considered to be a single, self-contained, organic entity -- a *unit* of program
: modularity -- nevertheless it is syntactically broken up into two *parts* that
: present complementary *views* of that single unit -- two views which can be
: *separately compiled*. They are: (1) the package specification, which presents
: the *interface* view of the package, and (2) the package body, which presents
: the *implementation* view of the package.

: All that is really needed is to a break off a third syntactic part that can
: offer a view of the package where we can make "forward declarations"  -- or
: rather, where "incomplete" declarations could be tolerated, because they
: will eventually be completed in the package specification.

Eeek.  Sorry I disagree here.  Remember, the road to C++ was paved with good
intentions.  

Instead of adding complexity, subtract it.  Declare _ex cathedra_
"recursive definitions are allowed".  Let the compiler implement.

--
-Matt Kennel  		mbk@inls1.ucsd.edu
-Institute for Nonlinear Science, University of California, San Diego
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  reply	other threads:[~1994-10-02 23:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
1994-09-27 16:52 Mut. Recurs. in Ada9X w/o Breaking Encaps.? (LONG) John Volan
1994-09-27 18:48 ` Mark A Biggar
1994-09-29  1:46   ` John Volan
1994-09-29 13:57     ` Tucker Taft
1994-09-29 17:20       ` Bjarne Stroustrup <9758-26353> 0112760
1994-09-30  1:38         ` Tucker Taft
1994-09-30 12:33           ` Bjarne Stroustrup <9758-26353> 0112760
1994-09-29 18:37       ` John Volan
1994-09-29 19:34         ` David Weller
1994-09-30 22:13           ` John Volan
1994-10-02  3:31             ` Andrew Lees
1994-09-30  1:47         ` Tucker Taft
1994-09-30 13:30           ` John Volan
1994-09-29 18:10     ` R. William Beckwith
1994-10-03  0:33     ` Cyrille Comar
1994-09-28 14:01 ` Norman H. Cohen
1994-09-29  2:12   ` John Volan
1994-09-29 14:01     ` Tucker Taft
1994-09-29 18:37     ` Norman H. Cohen
1994-09-29  9:48   ` Magnus Kempe
1994-09-29 13:10     ` Magnus Kempe
1994-09-29 18:05       ` Tucker Taft
1994-09-30 10:20         ` Mut. Recurs. in Ada9X w/o Breaking Encaps.? Magnus Kempe
1994-09-30 13:22           ` Tucker Taft
1994-10-01  1:24       ` Mut. Recurs. in Ada9X w/o Breaking Encaps.? (LONG) Adam Beneschan
1994-10-01 12:01         ` Magnus Kempe
1994-10-01 18:43         ` Mark A Biggar
1994-10-02 16:41         ` John Volan
1994-10-02 23:33           ` Matt Kennel [this message]
1994-10-03  8:07           ` Mut. Recurs. in Ada9X w/o Breaking Encaps.? Magnus Kempe
1994-10-03 12:14           ` Mut. Recurs. in Ada9X w/o Breaking Encaps.? (LONG) Robert I. Eachus
1994-10-04  2:12             ` R. William Beckwith
1994-10-04 16:00             ` John Volan
1994-10-05 11:42               ` Robert I. Eachus
1994-10-05 21:09               ` Matt Kennel
1994-10-03 20:29           ` Harry Koehnemann
1994-09-29 13:35     ` John Volan
1994-09-30 20:27       ` Norman H. Cohen
1994-10-01  1:47         ` John Volan
1994-10-01 20:44           ` Tucker Taft
1994-10-03 11:29           ` Robert I. Eachus
1994-09-30 22:46       ` Matt Kennel
1994-10-01  2:11         ` John Volan
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