From: Steve O'Neill <oneills@top.monad.net>
Subject: Re: The future of Ada
Date: 1999/03/11
Date: 1999-03-11T00:00:00+00:00 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <36E7D35D.C4CF9E19@top.monad.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 7c6gno$qqt@sjx-ixn10.ix.netcom.com
Richard D Riehle wrote:
>
> In article <36E690FA.4B9C@sandia.gov>,
> Gordon Dodrill <gjdodri@sandia.gov> wrote:
>
> >Ten months into the project, the project leader announced
> >very abruptly that Ada would be scrapped, C++ would be used,
> >and there would be a six month slip in the project to permit
> >training in C++ and rewriting the completed Ada code. His
> >reason - "There may not be any Ada programmers to do
> >maintenance several years from now, but we will always be
> >able to get C++ programmers."
>
> A project manager who makes this kind of decision probably does
> not understand Ada or C++. This kind of stupidity abounds.
Indeed it does. I'm witnessing this very stupidity taking place but at
a corporate level. The decision is not being made on technical merit of
the languages but on the fact that Ada developers are harder to find and
more expensive. They make no consideration for the potential benefits
and detriments of the languages merely that C++ programmers are a 'dime
a dozen'. Something about getting what you pay for comes to mind...
> The one thing that seems to work out is, once a team that
> was programming Ada starts to really learn C++, they begin to
> realize the serious risks of associated with C++. Unfortunately,
> it is often too late to once again reverse the decision.
> This is sometimes called "buyer's remorse." The decision to
> abandon Ada in favor of C++ is almost always wrong. It is
> certainly wrong for safety-critical software, which is what
> most of the weapons systems are.
There is also a strong 'Ada is too complicated' feeling within this
company. The fact that they have not learned to properly use the
language does not cross their minds. But they think nothing of taking
the leap to C++ which I consider to be more complicated and more
difficult to use properly than Ada. But, nonetheless, they will make
this leap and I suspect in a few years will be back in the very same
situation.
I unfortunately gave up tilting at this windmill.
Steve O'Neill
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1999-03-10 0:00 The future of Ada Gordon Dodrill
1999-03-10 0:00 ` dennison
1999-03-10 0:00 ` Corey Ashford
1999-03-10 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-03-10 0:00 ` Al Christians
1999-03-10 0:00 ` dewar
1999-03-10 0:00 ` dewar
1999-03-10 0:00 ` Larry Kilgallen
1999-03-10 0:00 ` dennison
1999-03-10 0:00 ` Richard D Riehle
1999-03-10 0:00 ` Tom Moran
1999-03-11 0:00 ` Steve O'Neill [this message]
1999-03-11 0:00 ` Michael Garrett
1999-03-12 0:00 ` vershokv
1999-03-26 0:00 ` John McCabe
1999-03-26 0:00 ` Mike Silva
1999-03-27 0:00 ` west
1999-03-27 0:00 ` mjsilva
1999-03-27 0:00 ` west
1999-03-27 0:00 ` mjsilva
1999-03-27 0:00 ` Chad R. Meiners
1999-03-28 0:00 ` Aidan Skinner
1999-03-29 0:00 ` Steve Quinlan
1999-03-29 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-03-30 0:00 ` SpamSpamSpam
1999-03-30 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-03-30 0:00 ` SpamSpamSpam
1999-03-30 0:00 ` dewar
1999-03-31 0:00 ` SpamSpamSpam
1999-03-31 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-04-02 0:00 ` Robert I. Eachus
1999-03-30 0:00 ` Stephen Thomas
1999-03-30 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1999-03-30 0:00 ` Jerry van Dijk
1999-03-30 0:00 ` bourguet
1999-03-30 0:00 ` SpamSpamSpam
1999-03-29 0:00 ` Aidan Skinner
1999-03-30 0:00 ` Ed Falis
1999-03-31 0:00 ` west
1999-04-01 0:00 ` Larry Kilgallen
1999-04-01 0:00 ` Steve Doiel
1999-04-02 0:00 ` dennison
1999-04-02 0:00 ` Tom Moran
1999-04-02 0:00 ` kewick
1999-04-02 0:00 ` Tom Moran
1999-04-05 0:00 ` Stephen Leake
1999-04-03 0:00 ` Tom Moran
1999-03-27 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-03-27 0:00 ` John McCabe
1999-03-27 0:00 ` west
1999-03-28 0:00 ` John McCabe
1999-04-16 0:00 ` s.shering
1999-03-27 0:00 ` Larry Kilgallen
1999-03-28 0:00 ` Tom Moran
1999-03-28 0:00 ` Aidan Skinner
1999-03-27 0:00 ` Aidan Skinner
1999-03-28 0:00 ` David Botton
1999-03-11 0:00 ` Tucker Taft
1999-03-11 0:00 ` Tucker Taft
1999-03-11 0:00 ` Nick Roberts
1999-03-11 0:00 ` Larry Kilgallen
1999-03-11 0:00 ` Scott Ingram
1999-03-11 0:00 ` Marin David Condic
1999-03-11 0:00 ` Scott Ingram
1999-03-12 0:00 ` Gunther Dragoski
1999-03-12 0:00 ` Chris Morgan
1999-03-12 0:00 ` Dino Gianisis
1999-03-13 0:00 ` Olivier Devuns
1999-03-12 0:00 ` Chris Morgan
1999-03-11 0:00 ` Richard D Riehle
1999-03-11 0:00 ` Stanley R. Allen
1999-03-11 0:00 ` kirk
1999-03-12 0:00 ` Mike Silva
1999-03-12 0:00 ` Jerry Petrey
1999-03-12 0:00 ` Richard D Riehle
1999-03-12 0:00 ` Stanley R. Allen
1999-03-15 0:00 ` Marin David Condic
1999-03-12 0:00 ` Chris Morgan
1999-03-12 0:00 ` steve
1999-03-12 0:00 ` Joseph P Vlietstra
1999-03-15 0:00 ` Mark D. McKinney
1999-03-13 0:00 ` Chris Morgan
1999-03-14 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-03-12 0:00 ` Richard D Riehle
1999-03-12 0:00 ` Chris Morgan
1999-03-11 0:00 ` Marin David Condic
1999-03-11 0:00 ` Mike Silva
1999-03-15 0:00 ` Marin David Condic
1999-03-21 0:00 ` Larry Kilgallen
1999-03-22 0:00 ` Mike Silva
1999-03-22 0:00 ` Gisle S�lensminde
1999-03-23 0:00 ` Marin David Condic
1999-03-23 0:00 ` Chris Morgan
1999-03-23 0:00 ` Marin David Condic
1999-03-22 0:00 ` Marin David Condic
1999-03-26 0:00 ` R. Rabeau
1999-03-26 0:00 ` Mike Silva
1999-03-12 0:00 ` Steve Whalen
1999-03-12 0:00 ` Al Christians
1999-03-12 0:00 ` Gordon Dodrill
1999-03-12 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-03-12 0:00 ` Larry Kilgallen
1999-03-13 0:00 ` Nick Roberts
1999-03-15 0:00 ` Marin David Condic
1999-03-13 0:00 ` Corey Ashford
1999-03-12 0:00 ` Andreas Winckler
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1990-08-15 23:05 ` Michael Endrizzi
1990-08-15 15:19 Michael Endrizzi
1990-08-15 17:52 ` Jerry Callen
1990-08-17 17:21 ` Steve Vestal
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