Re: adverts on c.l.a

Re: adverts on c.l.a

[Steve Quinlan]

 Not to bad, if really Ada related, though it could get out of hand. (We
should be so lucky that CLA gets overwhelmed by people wanting to hire
us, huh?)  What really bothers me is I know for a fact that my email
address has been "lifted" off of  CLA and nowhere else by people who
sent me email, one was someone doing recruiting, one was some other scam
totally unrelated to Ada, or anything else of  a technical nature. But,
once you put out yer address, you're fair game these days I guess.

Re: adverts on c.l.a

[robert_dewar]

In article <7be6nm$4b9$1@remarQ.com>,
  "Pat Rogers" <progers@NOclasswideSPAM.com> wrote:
> Lately there have been a few advertisements for services
> posted to comp.lang.ada.  What do people think of these?
> Are the appropriate?

My own feeling is that it is fine to have brief commercial
announcements about products or services. They should be
informational and brief. But for example, if a vendor has
a new version of an Ada compiler, or someone is teaching
Ada 95 courses or trying to recruit for an Ada job, that
seems fine to me. It is not as though we are overwhelmed
by such commercial messages.

(we might be more overwhelmed by responses to this post,
which comes perilously close to being a troll :-) :-)

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Re: adverts on c.l.a

[dennison]

As to the advert issue, I don't mind them at all, if posted by a regular c.l.a
poster. The poster at least ought to be willing to hang out and answer
questions. A bunch of slick empty marketing drivel would be less than welcome.

Ada job postings are in a different category entirely. Even if you aren't
looking for a job, they are much less of a nuisance than the "there are no Ada
jobs" flamewars we'd get otherwise.

In article <36DABF5E.E060CB3B@lmco.com>,
  Steve Quinlan <steven.quinlan@lmco.com> wrote:
> us, huh?)  What really bothers me is I know for a fact that my email
> address has been "lifted" off of  CLA and nowhere else by people who
> sent me email, one was someone doing recruiting, one was some other scam
> totally unrelated to Ada, or anything else of  a technical nature. But,
> once you put out yer address, you're fair game these days I guess.

Ditto here. When I was at lmc I got a lot of spam directed to an email
address I had ceased using 4 years before. I suspect I'm not the only one,
based on the number of munged email addresses I see people using here.

I've found with a bit of effort put into an email filter, spam actualy can be
quite entertaining. Some of the scams are downright hilarious.

T.E.D.

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Re: adverts on c.l.a

[Pat Rogers]

robert_dewar@my-dejanews.com wrote in message
<7beilk$q5a$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
>In article <7be6nm$4b9$1@remarQ.com>,
>  "Pat Rogers" <progers@NOclasswideSPAM.com> wrote:
>> Lately there have been a few advertisements for services
>> posted to comp.lang.ada.  What do people think of these?
>> Are the appropriate?
>
>My own feeling is that it is fine to have brief commercial
>announcements about products or services. They should be
>informational and brief. But for example, if a vendor has
>a new version of an Ada compiler, or someone is teaching
>Ada 95 courses or trying to recruit for an Ada job, that
>seems fine to me. It is not as though we are overwhelmed
>by such commercial messages.
>
>(we might be more overwhelmed by responses to this post,
>which comes perilously close to being a troll :-) :-)


No no, I assure you the question was posted in good faith.  :-)

The advert that prompted this was one offering information about
up-coming training in the language.  I have never felt comfortable
advertising here on c.l.a. and wondered how people felt about it.  Note
that I'm not saying anybody has crossed any kind of line -- that's post
in response to the one that prompted my question -- I just wanted to
know how readers felt about it.

Re: adverts on c.l.a

[Nick Roberts]

robert_dewar@my-dejanews.com wrote in message
<7beilk$q5a$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
[...]
|My own feeling is that it is fine to have brief commercial
|announcements about products or services. They should be
|informational and brief. But for example, if a vendor has
|a new version of an Ada compiler, or someone is teaching
|Ada 95 courses or trying to recruit for an Ada job, that
|seems fine to me. It is not as though we are overwhelmed
|by such commercial messages.


Seconded.
-------------------------------------
Nick Roberts
-------------------------------------

Re: adverts on c.l.a

[David Botton]

It certainly makes the Ada community look alive and kicking when a
visitor comes by. Adverts that contain any kind of updates to Ada
technology available should be highly encouraged. Even adeverts
announcing up coming Ada user group meetings and training seminars
should be highly encouraged to help produce this affect.

Also, some one should take over maintaining FAQs for CLA as Magnus Kempe
has expressed that he is no longer actively working on AdaHome, or as it
seems the FAQs.

c.l.a policy could be expressed there and help those that are active on
the list (such as myself) to get a better picture of the consensus on
what is considered appropriate and not for c.l.a. (This is not an
advertisement to start a thread on this here and now, nor to discuss my
own post on CompUSA policy that some felt was too off topic to belong
here.)

It would also help if we agreed on one "police man" for the group who
would politely mention that something is off topic and perhaps this is
not the best place to be posting XYZ. (For e.g.. Larry's remark on the
CompUSA thread was appropriate, well placed, and not personal. I will
judge differently what is considered appropriate on c.l.a before posting
here.)

David Botton


Richard D Riehle wrote:
>  Also, I would
>  like to see more announcements from compiler publishers about
>  new versions of compilers, new platforms, etc.

adverts on c.l.a

[Pat Rogers]

Lately there have been a few advertisements for services posted to
comp.lang.ada.  What do people think of these?  Are the appropriate?

---
Pat Rogers
progers@classwide.com

Re: adverts on c.l.a

[Larry Kilgallen]

In article <7be6nm$4b9$1@remarQ.com>, "Pat Rogers" <progers@NOclasswideSPAM.com> writes:
> Lately there have been a few advertisements for services posted to
> comp.lang.ada.  What do people think of these?  Are the appropriate?

I do not recall them.

I would (and do) object when a post does not deal specifically with Ada.

Larry Kilgallen

Re: adverts on c.l.a

[Richard D Riehle]

robert_dewar@my-dejanews.com wrote in message

>[...]
>My own feeling is that it is fine to have brief commercial
>announcements about products or services. They should be
>informational and brief. But for example, if a vendor has
>a new version of an Ada compiler, or someone is teaching
>Ada 95 courses or trying to recruit for an Ada job, that
>seems fine to me. It is not as though we are overwhelmed
>by such commercial messages.

 We have been very careful not to post announcements of 
 our own classes and products on c.l.a to avoid offending
 those who dislike such things.   However, I personally 
 appreciate the job postings by brain transplant specialists,
 even if they are professional recruiting firms.  Also, I would
 like to see more announcements from compiler publishers about
 new versions of compilers, new platforms, etc.  That seems to
 me to be actual news related to Ada.  This is a news forum as well
 as a discussion group, not so?

 Richard Riehle
 richard@adaworks.com
 http://www.adaworks.com
 

Re: adverts on c.l.a

[robert_dewar]

In article <36DB6F31.5A35224D@Botton.com>,
  David Botton <David@Botton.com> wrote:
> It would also help if we agreed on one "police man" for
> the group who would politely mention that something is
> off topic and perhaps this is not the best place to be
> posting XYZ. (For e.g.. Larry's remark on the CompUSA
> thread was appropriate, well placed, and not personal. I
> will judge differently what is considered appropriate on
> c.l.a before posting here.)

I think there is nothing useful between a moderated and
unmoderated group. People posting inappropriate messages
will get email telling them it is inappropriate and they
can decide for themselves. Glad to see that David realizes
that the compusa post was way outside the limits :-)

Robert Dewar

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Re: adverts on c.l.a

[David Botton]

Yes, and I think we should pick one person to do this, perhaps some one
who does things politely, with tact, and does not make things personal.

I suggest neither of us should try out for this position :)

David Botton


robert_dewar@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>  People posting inappropriate messages
> will get email telling them it is inappropriate and they
> can decide for themselves.

Re: adverts on c.l.a

[Magnus Kempe]

> ... Magnus Kempe
> has expressed that he is no longer actively working on AdaHome

You are mistaken.
Please ask me before you make such statements in public, thank you.


> or as it
> seems the FAQs.

I'll gladly leave the maintenance of the FAQs to a competent volunteer
(please contact me at editor@adahome.com as well as Team-Ada to discuss
it).


Magnus Kempe
editor@adahome.com