From: Scott Johnson <sj_nospam@nospam.aracnet.com>
Subject: Re: Ada vs C++ vs Java
Date: 1999/01/15
Date: 1999-01-15T00:00:00+00:00 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <369F0118.7870@nospam.aracnet.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 369DE6A6.8CD88A4B@acm.org
Pete Becker wrote:
>
> Leszek Sczaniecki wrote:
> >
> > We are about to start a big project, something about 250k lines of code.
> > We are going to stick to it for next several years. We would like to
> > make an educated choice for the underlying language. This language
> > should
> > - support object oriented programming
I'm rather unfamiliar with Ada, so I won't discuss it.
C++, of course, does support OO. It ain't a PURE OO language--it
owes much to C, which is a structural langauge, and the current
library promotes generic programming much more than true OO programming.
Also, there are lotsa pitfalls to avoid, and if ya need distributed
objects, C++ alone won't cut it. (CORBA, anyone?) But for closed-system
OO that is efficient and well-supported, C++ does quite well.
Java is a more "pure" OO language. Since your laundry list :) missed
the programming paradigm most fashionable these days--component
programming--Java provides better native support for this than does
C++.
> > - support parallel programming
How do you mean? All of 'em, if ya use a multithreading OS on a
multiprocessing machine, with appropriate libraries, can be used to
write code that can run on multiple processors. The partitioning you
get this way is course-grained (threads, essentially), and you got
to do the partitioning yourself, but it works. Java has threading built
in to the native library; C and C++ require you to use OS libraries
to achieve multithreading.
Or were you looking for something where you can specify an algorithm
and the compiler will automagically partition it among processors?
If you are doing heavy-duty number crunching, the language you probably
want is Fortran (or FORTRAN) :). If you are mainly doing control
and/or UI tasks, fine-grained parallelism ain't gonna buy you much of
anything.
> > - lead to easily maintainable code
This depends as much on the competence of your engineering staff.
However, Java has the advantage of a binary interface standard, where
C and C++ do not. Generally, the output of different C compilers can
be linked together without problems; this is NOT true for different
C++ compilers.
> > - promote safe programming techniques
Java does this in spades--in fact, many reasonable-but-possibly-abused
techniques are banned in Java. Not becuase Sun thinks programmers are
idiots, of course, but because this is a requirement to support Java's
security model.
C and C++, on the other hand, will gladly allow you to shoot yourself
in the foot. Safe code can be written in 'em, but so can dangerous
code.
> > - have significant support from commercial vendors (compilers, GUI
> > design, testing sw)
In the vxWorks space, C/C++ are the clear winners here. Diab data,
Green Hills, Metroworks, and Cygnus/FSF all provide C/C++ compilers that
target vxWorks.
Java ports to vxWorks are much more limited--and not as mature as their
PC/workstation counterparts.
GUI libraries are another issue altogether. Given that vxWorks is
deployed, most of the time, in environments without a GUI, this is
a major weakness--for either language. Wind River/Zinc has a few
solutions (RtX-Windows, UGL), none of 'em are particularly great.
All the AWT implementations I've seen targeting vxWorks rely on one
of the above libraries.
> > - be available for popular processors (such as 68xxx, PowerPC, etc.)
C/C++ compilers are available for all of the above.
PowerPC java virtual machines are available from various sources, 68k
ones are probably harder to find.
> > - enjoy wealth of existing solutions
Solutions to do what?
> > - support "almost real time" execution
Either you are real time, or ya ain't. C and C++ can certainly be used
to write deterministic code; though the lack of formalization of these
means that you'll have a lot of testing to do to prove it.
Java is currently worthless for real-time; because of the garbage
collector. I've heard stories about supposed real-time garbage
collectors (which don't block other threads from running, or do so
for a bounded amount of time)--but you still have to prove that you
never run out of memory if you do that. With Java, you CANNOT create
objects on the stack--so there is no way of avoiding dynamic memory
allocation.
> > - be suitable for design of embedded systems
C and C++ certainly are.
Java may be, depending on how deeply embeeded you are talking about.
Given that you have mentioned things such as GUI support, and have
asked about processors such as powerPc, it sounds like you will have
some CPU horsepower and memory at your disposal. Including a JVM,
an implementation of the Java library, and an underlying GUI library
is going to add about 2-3 Mb to your program size, and that's an
efficient (but full) implementation. Things like PersonalJava or
EmbeddedJava reduce this figure, but you will still need a bunch of
memory.
Much more than you will for a C/C++ implementation.
> > - have existing support for vxworks
I've been assuming vxWorks throughout the document...see above for
my comments.
> Interesting choice of requirements. Only the last seems at all related
> to being suitable for the actual task that you are going to perform.
Agreed. Much of the above seems to be a list of buzzwords...do they
really correspond to product requirements?
What is it you are trying to build, if I may ask????
Scott
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1999-01-12 0:00 Ada vs C++ vs Java Leszek Sczaniecki
1999-01-13 0:00 ` Corvus
1999-01-13 0:00 ` Herman
1999-01-13 0:00 ` Craig Garrett
1999-01-13 0:00 ` Michael Trausch
1999-01-14 0:00 ` Martijn Lievaart
1999-01-14 0:00 ` Michael J. Tobler
1999-01-16 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1999-01-16 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1999-01-16 0:00 ` Craig Garrett
1999-01-14 0:00 ` Jeff Carter
1999-01-15 0:00 ` dewar
1999-01-16 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1999-01-18 0:00 ` dennison
1999-01-18 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-01-24 0:00 ` Nick Roberts
1999-01-20 0:00 ` Peter Flynn
[not found] ` <01be3f41$c1205ba0$5704fbd1@longslide>
1999-01-14 0:00 ` Tom Maier
1999-01-19 0:00 ` Vladyslav Kosulin
1999-01-14 0:00 ` Thaddeus L. Olczyk
1999-01-17 0:00 ` Craig Garrett
1999-01-20 0:00 ` Gerry Quinn
1999-01-13 0:00 ` Michael J. Tobler
1999-01-22 0:00 ` Tov Are Jacobsen
1999-01-13 0:00 ` John Woodruff
1999-01-13 0:00 ` dennison
1999-01-13 0:00 ` Erik Funkenbusch
1999-01-13 0:00 ` Marin David Condic
1999-01-14 0:00 ` Ken Keys
1999-01-14 0:00 ` Marin David Condic
1999-01-15 0:00 ` Ken Keys
1999-01-15 0:00 ` dennison
1999-01-15 0:00 ` dennison
1999-01-18 0:00 ` Marin David Condic
1999-01-19 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1999-01-19 0:00 ` Marin David Condic
1999-01-14 0:00 ` John Woodruff
1999-01-15 0:00 ` Ken Keys
1999-01-15 0:00 ` dennison
1999-01-15 0:00 ` Marc A. Criley
1999-01-18 0:00 ` Marin David Condic
1999-01-15 0:00 ` dennison
1999-01-13 0:00 ` Ralph Cook
1999-01-13 0:00 ` Bob Munck
1999-01-13 0:00 ` Erik Funkenbusch
1999-01-14 0:00 ` Dave Whipp
1999-01-13 0:00 ` Peter
1999-01-13 0:00 ` Corvus
1999-01-14 0:00 ` Michael J. Tobler
1999-01-14 0:00 ` Erik Funkenbusch
1999-01-14 0:00 ` Larry Kilgallen
1999-01-19 0:00 ` Chris Gray
1999-01-14 0:00 ` Gerhard Menzl
1999-01-14 0:00 ` John Birch
1999-01-14 0:00 ` Bjarne Stroustrup
1999-01-16 0:00 ` John Birch
1999-01-14 0:00 ` Pat Rogers
1999-01-16 0:00 ` John Birch
1999-01-16 0:00 ` Pat Rogers
1999-01-17 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1999-01-17 0:00 ` Mike Coffin
1999-01-17 0:00 ` Ell
1999-01-17 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1999-01-17 0:00 ` Mike Coffin
1999-01-17 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1999-01-17 0:00 ` Mike Coffin
1999-01-19 0:00 ` adam
1999-01-18 0:00 ` kevin
1999-01-20 0:00 ` Michael J. Tobler
1999-01-19 0:00 ` Mike Coffin
1999-01-20 0:00 ` Larry Kilgallen
1999-01-21 0:00 ` adam
1999-01-23 0:00 ` Simon Wright
1999-01-19 0:00 ` Michael Rubenstein
1999-01-19 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-01-21 0:00 ` Lieven Marchand
1999-01-22 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1999-01-22 0:00 ` adam
1999-01-23 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1999-01-24 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-02-01 0:00 ` Robert I. Eachus
1999-02-01 0:00 ` Al Christians
1999-02-02 0:00 ` Jerry van Dijk
1999-01-18 0:00 ` Joe Gwinn
1999-01-19 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-01-20 0:00 ` Joe Gwinn
1999-01-21 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-01-22 0:00 ` Joe Gwinn
1999-01-24 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-01-24 0:00 ` Joe Gwinn
1999-01-25 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-01-25 0:00 ` Joe Gwinn
1999-01-21 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-01-21 0:00 ` Joe Gwinn
1999-01-21 0:00 ` dennison
1999-01-21 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-01-27 0:00 ` Ola Liljedahl
1999-01-27 0:00 ` Instruction Set Semantics Nick Roberts
1999-01-28 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-01-27 0:00 ` Ada vs C++ vs Java Scott Johnson
1999-01-28 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-01-17 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-02-04 0:00 ` mll
1999-02-04 0:00 ` mike
1999-02-04 0:00 ` John McCabe
1999-02-04 0:00 ` Hyman Rosen
1999-02-04 0:00 ` mike
1999-02-05 0:00 ` John McCabe
1999-02-05 0:00 ` Richard D Riehle
1999-02-05 0:00 ` Tucker Taft
1999-02-09 0:00 ` Fredric L. Rice
1999-02-05 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-02-05 0:00 ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
1999-02-05 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-02-05 0:00 ` mike
1999-02-06 0:00 ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
1999-02-06 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-02-06 0:00 ` mike
1999-02-08 0:00 ` dennison
1999-02-08 0:00 ` Al Christians
1999-02-08 0:00 ` William Clodius
1999-02-09 0:00 ` Fredric L. Rice
1999-02-09 0:00 ` Matt Austern
1999-02-08 0:00 ` Marin David Condic
1999-02-09 0:00 ` Fredric L. Rice
1999-02-09 0:00 ` Marin David Condic
1999-02-09 0:00 ` Fredric L. Rice
1999-02-09 0:00 ` Robert I. Eachus
1999-02-06 0:00 ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
1999-02-08 0:00 ` Robert I. Eachus
1999-02-08 0:00 ` mike
1999-02-08 0:00 ` Larry Kilgallen
1999-02-09 0:00 ` Geoff Bull
1999-02-09 0:00 ` atomly
1999-02-09 0:00 ` Larry Kilgallen
1999-02-09 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-02-10 0:00 ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
1999-02-10 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-02-10 0:00 ` mike
1999-02-10 0:00 ` nabbasi
1999-02-10 0:00 ` Al Christians
1999-02-12 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-02-12 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-02-10 0:00 ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
1999-02-11 0:00 ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
1999-02-12 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-02-13 0:00 ` Dale Stanbrough
1999-02-15 0:00 ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
1999-02-16 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-02-15 0:00 ` P.S. Norby
1999-02-16 0:00 ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
1999-02-09 0:00 ` Fredric L. Rice
[not found] ` <79fnce$iv8@drn.newsguy.c <36beecef.70d8ed5e@pwfl.com>
1999-02-08 0:00 ` Larry Kilgallen
1999-02-08 0:00 ` Marin David Condic
1999-02-07 0:00 ` James S. Rogers
1999-02-07 0:00 ` mike
1999-02-07 0:00 ` James S. Rogers
1999-02-07 0:00 ` mike
1999-02-07 0:00 ` atomly
1999-02-08 0:00 ` Pascal Obry
1999-02-08 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-02-08 0:00 ` Dan Nagle
1999-02-08 0:00 ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
1999-02-08 0:00 ` Geoff Bull
1999-02-09 0:00 ` Fredric L. Rice
1999-02-09 0:00 ` Marin David Condic
1999-02-07 0:00 ` Simon Wright
1999-02-09 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-02-09 0:00 ` nabbasi
1999-02-08 0:00 ` robert_dewar
[not found] ` <79 <36BF2098.11E0761B@erols.com>
1999-02-08 0:00 ` Bjarne Stroustrup
1999-02-09 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-02-09 0:00 ` Geoff Bull
1999-02-08 0:00 ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
[not found] ` <79k65l$s0t@drn.news <36c006b8.fc6c187d@acenet.com.au>
1999-02-09 0:00 ` Larry Kilgallen
1999-02-09 0:00 ` Fredric L. Rice
1999-02-09 0:00 ` Marin David Condic
1999-02-05 0:00 ` Stephen Leake
1999-02-06 0:00 ` Michael Stark
1999-02-08 0:00 ` Stanley Friesen [Contractor]
1999-02-12 0:00 ` Michael Stark
1999-02-06 0:00 ` Brian Rogoff
1999-02-08 0:00 ` mike
1999-02-08 0:00 ` Brian Rogoff
1999-02-09 0:00 ` Geoff Bull
1999-02-09 0:00 ` Brian Rogoff
1999-02-09 0:00 ` Geoff Bull
1999-02-09 0:00 ` dennison
1999-02-09 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-02-06 0:00 ` Geoff Bull
1999-02-05 0:00 ` Andrew Koenig
1999-02-05 0:00 ` mike
1999-02-08 0:00 ` Geoff Bull
1999-02-08 0:00 ` Stanley Friesen [Contractor]
1999-02-08 0:00 ` mike
1999-02-09 0:00 ` P.S. Norby
1999-02-09 0:00 ` Geoff Bull
1999-01-15 0:00 ` Wolfgang Denk
1999-01-15 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-01-16 0:00 ` Michael J. Tobler
1999-01-25 0:00 ` Real-time dyn allctn (was: Ada vs C++ vs Java) Nick Roberts
1999-01-25 0:00 ` Niklas Holsti
1999-01-26 0:00 ` Nick Roberts
1999-01-25 0:00 ` John Birch
1999-01-26 0:00 ` Nick Roberts
1999-01-27 0:00 ` John Birch
1999-01-25 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-01-26 0:00 ` Nick Roberts
1999-01-28 0:00 ` dmitrik
1999-01-29 0:00 ` Nick Roberts
1999-01-15 0:00 ` Ada vs C++ vs Java Ola Liljedahl
1999-01-15 0:00 ` Herman
1999-01-16 0:00 ` John Birch
1999-01-15 0:00 ` James Kanze
1999-01-16 0:00 ` John Birch
1999-01-17 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1999-01-17 0:00 ` phil
1999-01-17 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-01-18 0:00 ` John Birch
1999-01-18 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-01-18 0:00 ` James Kanze
1999-01-18 0:00 ` John Birch
1999-01-18 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-01-19 0:00 ` James Kanze
1999-01-18 0:00 ` Dynamic memory? (was Re: Ada vs C++ vs Java) Martijn Lievaart
1999-01-18 0:00 ` John Birch
1999-01-18 0:00 ` Martijn Lievaart
1999-01-18 0:00 ` John Birch
1999-01-18 0:00 ` Martijn Lievaart
1999-01-18 0:00 ` John Birch
1999-01-18 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-01-19 0:00 ` James Kanze
1999-01-18 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-01-18 0:00 ` dennison
1999-01-18 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-01-19 0:00 ` news.oxy.com
1999-01-25 0:00 ` Nick Roberts
1999-01-26 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-01-19 0:00 ` Laurent Safa
1999-01-20 0:00 ` Michael J. Tobler
1999-01-21 0:00 ` Richard Kenner
1999-01-19 0:00 ` bourguet
1999-01-21 0:00 ` Georg Bauhaus
1999-01-21 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-01-18 0:00 ` James Kanze
1999-01-20 0:00 ` Stanley Friesen [Contractor]
1999-01-18 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-01-18 0:00 ` Ken Keys
1999-01-26 0:00 ` Scott Johnson
1999-01-18 0:00 ` Ada vs C++ vs Java James Kanze
1999-01-18 0:00 ` John Birch
1999-01-18 0:00 ` James Kanze
1999-01-19 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1999-01-15 0:00 ` Gerhard Menzl
1999-01-15 0:00 ` John Birch
1999-01-16 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-01-16 0:00 ` Crazy Pete
1999-01-16 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-01-16 0:00 ` Judah Diament
1999-01-16 0:00 ` bill
1999-01-16 0:00 ` Al Christians
1999-01-17 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-01-17 0:00 ` bill
1999-01-26 0:00 ` Enforcement of coding standards (was: Ada vs C++ vs Java) Nick Roberts
1999-01-26 0:00 ` dennison
1999-01-17 0:00 ` Ada vs C++ vs Java Judah Diament
1999-01-17 0:00 ` Dennis
1999-01-16 0:00 ` Michael J. Tobler
1999-01-16 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-01-18 0:00 ` Draconian coding standards (was: Ada vs C++ vs Java) dennison
1999-01-18 0:00 ` dewar
1999-01-18 0:00 ` dennison
1999-01-18 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-01-18 0:00 ` dennison
1999-01-19 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-01-19 0:00 ` dennison
1999-01-19 0:00 ` Simon Wright
1999-01-19 0:00 ` Bob Munck
1999-01-19 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-01-19 0:00 ` Aidan Skinner
1999-01-18 0:00 ` Ada vs C++ vs Java dennison
1999-01-18 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-01-19 0:00 ` Crazy Pete
1999-01-19 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-01-20 0:00 ` Christopher Browne
1999-01-19 0:00 ` bill
1999-01-20 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-01-21 0:00 ` Peter Hend�n
1999-01-20 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-01-20 0:00 ` dennison
1999-01-20 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-01-20 0:00 ` dennison
1999-01-21 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-01-21 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1999-01-21 0:00 ` Al Christians
1999-01-21 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
[not found] ` <m3g194bhzh.fsf@fred.muc.de>
1999-01-21 0:00 ` Stephen Leake
1999-01-21 0:00 ` Al Christians
1999-01-22 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1999-01-21 0:00 ` bill_1
1999-01-22 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1999-01-22 0:00 ` bill_1
1999-01-22 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1999-01-22 0:00 ` Ada mode requests (Re: Ada vs C++ vs Java) dennison
1999-01-22 0:00 ` dennison
1999-01-22 0:00 ` David C. Hoos, Sr.
1999-01-24 0:00 ` dewar
1999-01-28 0:00 ` John McCabe
1999-01-29 0:00 ` John McCabe
1999-01-29 0:00 ` dewar
1999-01-29 0:00 ` John McCabe
1999-01-30 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-01-30 0:00 ` John McCabe
1999-01-25 0:00 ` John McCabe
[not found] ` <36afc1ec.20165240@news.geccs.gecm.com>
1999-01-26 0:00 ` John McCabe
1999-01-27 0:00 ` dennison
[not found] ` <36b019e5.897220@news.geccs.gecm.com>
1999-01-28 0:00 ` John McCabe
1999-01-29 0:00 ` dewar
1999-01-29 0:00 ` Samuel Tardieu
1999-01-30 0:00 ` John McCabe
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1999-01-29 0:00 ` John McCabe
1999-01-22 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1999-01-22 0:00 ` dennison
1999-01-22 0:00 ` David C. Hoos, Sr.
1999-01-24 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-01-23 0:00 ` Ada vs C++ vs Java Simon Wright
1999-01-23 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1999-01-24 0:00 ` Simon Wright
1999-01-24 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1999-01-24 0:00 ` dewar
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1999-01-26 0:00 ` Ada Mode wish list Simon Wright
[not found] ` <36b04b91.9547583@news.geccs.gecm.com>
1999-01-26 0:00 ` John McCabe
1999-01-22 0:00 ` Ada vs C++ vs Java Tarjei Tj�stheim Jensen
1999-01-20 0:00 ` dennison
1999-01-21 0:00 ` dewar
1999-01-21 0:00 ` dennison
1999-01-21 0:00 ` bourguet
1999-01-20 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-01-20 0:00 ` Robert I. Eachus
1999-01-20 0:00 ` dennison
1999-01-20 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-01-21 0:00 ` Martin Dowie
1999-01-19 0:00 ` Peter Hend�n
1999-01-19 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-01-18 0:00 ` Larry Kilgallen
1999-01-18 0:00 ` Gerhard Menzl
1999-01-18 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-01-16 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1999-01-16 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1999-01-18 0:00 ` Ken Keys
1999-01-19 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1999-01-19 0:00 ` Tucker Taft
1999-01-13 0:00 ` Tucker Taft
1999-01-14 0:00 ` Emil Rojas
1999-01-13 0:00 ` Herman
1999-01-13 0:00 ` Marin David Condic
1999-01-15 0:00 ` David R. Conrad
1999-01-15 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-01-16 0:00 ` Michael J. Tobler
1999-01-15 0:00 ` Al Christians
1999-01-16 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-01-16 0:00 ` Michael J. Tobler
1999-01-16 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-01-16 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-01-16 0:00 ` Bob Munck
1999-01-24 0:00 ` COBOL/Top-Down prog'g (was: Ada vs C++ vs Java) Nick Roberts
1999-01-25 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-01-22 0:00 ` Ada vs C++ vs Java Patrick Wibbeler
1999-01-26 0:00 ` Marin David Condic
1999-01-27 0:00 ` Peter Amey
1999-01-29 0:00 ` P.S. Norby
1999-01-26 0:00 ` Ken
1999-01-27 0:00 ` Scott Johnson
1999-01-27 0:00 ` Robert Garskof
1999-01-27 0:00 ` Jay O'Connor
1999-01-28 0:00 ` Marin David Condic
1999-01-28 0:00 ` Joshua fit de wall
1999-01-29 0:00 ` Herman
1999-01-31 0:00 ` Ruth Ivimey-Cook
1999-01-31 0:00 ` him/her: was: " robert_dewar
1999-01-13 0:00 ` Peter Amey
1999-01-13 0:00 ` Marin David Condic
1999-01-14 0:00 ` Chris Gray
1999-01-14 0:00 ` Tom Maier
1999-01-21 0:00 ` Brent A Ellingson
1999-01-14 0:00 ` Ola Liljedahl
1999-01-14 0:00 ` Marin David Condic
1999-01-15 0:00 ` Ola Liljedahl
1999-01-15 0:00 ` Marin David Condic
1999-01-14 0:00 ` Crazy Pete
1999-01-15 0:00 ` Markus Kuhn
1999-01-15 0:00 ` Peter
1999-01-15 0:00 ` David C. Hoos, Sr.
1999-01-15 0:00 ` Larry Kilgallen
1999-01-16 0:00 ` Tucker Taft
1999-01-13 0:00 ` Bob Cousins
1999-01-14 0:00 ` dennison
1999-01-14 0:00 ` jim.hyslop
1999-01-15 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-01-13 0:00 ` Marin David Condic
1999-01-13 0:00 ` Richard Krehbiel
1999-01-13 0:00 ` Dave Hansen
1999-01-13 0:00 ` Marin David Condic
1999-01-14 0:00 ` dennison
1999-01-15 0:00 ` dewar
1999-01-15 0:00 ` dennison
1999-01-13 0:00 ` David Gillon
1999-01-24 0:00 ` Y2.1K (was: Ada vs C++ vs Java) Nick Roberts
1999-02-05 0:00 ` Robert A Duff
1999-02-05 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-01-13 0:00 ` Ada vs C++ vs Java Peter
1999-01-14 0:00 ` Peter Sch�ller
1999-01-14 0:00 ` dennison
1999-01-14 0:00 ` Michael J. Tobler
1999-01-15 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-01-15 0:00 ` Larry Kilgallen
1999-01-15 0:00 ` dewar
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1999-01-19 0:00 ` Thanks everyone! (was Re: Ada vs C++ vs Java) Martijn Lievaart
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