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From: "Michael J. Tobler" <mtobler@no-spam-ibm.net>
Subject: Re: Ada vs C++ vs Java
Date: 1999/01/14
Date: 1999-01-14T00:00:00+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <369DF242.B0613E1C@no-spam-ibm.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: tz5n2.4608$TO5.129375@ptah.visi.com

Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
[snip]
> 
> >- support object oriented programming
> 
> All three do, although at differing levels and differing feature sets
> (example:  Java doesn't support Multiple Inheritance, C++ does.  But that
> may not be a concern to you).

Java does support multiple-interfaces, so there is a sort of
"simulation" of multiple inheritance. But there are reasons
the designers opted not to provide "true" MI, reasons I wont
go into in this thread.

> >- support parallel programming
> 
> I'm not sure exactly what you mean by that.  You mean multi-processor
> support?  Threads?  Those are OS constructs, but of course the Language has
> to be able to handle them (VB for instance doesn't do a good job of that).
> 
> >- lead to easily maintainable code
> 
> No language will do that.  It's a function of design.

And the people writing the code.

> >- promote safe programming techniques
> 
> Be aware that "safe" often means "confining".  You may not be able to do the
> things you need to do in a language that doesn't support pointers or direct
> hardware access (like Java).

I think here it's meant that you cant do anything "crazy"
and have some wild pointer or what-not. The OS should take
care of this for you; yet, there are reasons you might
want a language to help you in this respect. Say, something
like handling array-out-of-bounds, etc.

> >- have significant support from commercial vendors (compilers, GUI
> >design, testing sw)
> 
> Well, Java is gaining a lot of vendor support.  But be aware that the
> language is changing rapidly and that there is no standardization of it.
> New versions are likely to make older code obsolete (for instance, the
> switch from 1.0.x to 1.1 introduced whole new event models).  It's a very
> immature language and is likely to go through a lot more growing pains.

This is a mistake that a lot of people are making. The JDK is
changing rapidly - I dont necessarily see this as a hinder as
more functionality is coming to the forefront. The LANGUAGE proper
hasnt really changed. Hey - there's something to be said for a 
language that doesnt support "goto".

> >- be available for popular processors (such as 68xxx, PowerPC, etc.)
> 
> Processors aren't the key, OS platforms are.  You're most safe with C++ on
> this matter i think.  Java isn't available on everything yet.  You're also
> likely to find limited choices in ADA compilers on more obscure OS's.

You cant say C++ is "more safe" in this matter. It depends how the
system is designed and coded. I can write a program targeted for the
unix platform that will pure h@ll to port anywhere else. It is harder
to do this in Java. BTW, I build a lot of C++/Java/CORBA systems and
haven't found a platform that didnt run Java. Yea, maybe some obscure
platform ....

> >- be suitable for design of embedded systems
> 
> C++ generally isn't.  There is an "embedded C++" that's in the works, and
> there might even be some implementations.  C is better for embedded work
> than C++.  I don't know the specifics of ADA embedded work.

You're off-target here. There are a handfull of vendors offering
C++ tools for the embedded systems market. Saying that C is better
than C++ is just not valid.

[snip]
> >Given, that we will be stuck
> >with our project for the next several years we would like to choose
> >something that still will have adequate support few years down the road.
> >Given all that we decided to check C++ and Java. I would appreciate
> >greatly any comparisons, comments, hints, pointers to electronic and
> >hard copy sources, warnings about traps and pitfalls, etc. that would
> >help us thoroughly justify the language choice to our customer.
> 
> Well, I would vote against Java.  It's too immature for a long term project
> and has questionable speed.

I think you should educate yourself concerning Java. As I've said,
we've been building Java (collaborative, multi-tier) systems for
about 3 years now and the customers are very happy. I am currently
on a C++/Java/CORBA project that is 90% Java and 10% C++. The coding
is going VERY fast - I find that we can code a system much faster,
with less errors in Java than in C++. I'm not knocking C++ because
it's my TRUE language, but I have found power in Java.

To address you concern for speed with Java - that issue
is out the door. We are using JIT tools that get us to
C++ like speed. Depending on platform, you can get tools
to build true binary executables.

[snip]

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Thread overview: 450+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
1999-01-12  0:00 Ada vs C++ vs Java Leszek Sczaniecki
1999-01-13  0:00 ` Tucker Taft
1999-01-14  0:00   ` Emil Rojas
1999-01-13  0:00 ` Bob Cousins
1999-01-14  0:00   ` dennison
1999-01-14  0:00   ` jim.hyslop
1999-01-15  0:00     ` robert_dewar
1999-01-13  0:00 ` Herman
1999-01-13  0:00   ` Marin David Condic
1999-01-15  0:00     ` David R. Conrad
1999-01-15  0:00       ` robert_dewar
1999-01-16  0:00         ` Michael J. Tobler
1999-01-15  0:00           ` Al Christians
1999-01-16  0:00             ` robert_dewar
1999-01-16  0:00             ` Michael J. Tobler
1999-01-16  0:00               ` robert_dewar
1999-01-16  0:00           ` robert_dewar
1999-01-16  0:00         ` Bob Munck
1999-01-24  0:00         ` COBOL/Top-Down prog'g (was: Ada vs C++ vs Java) Nick Roberts
1999-01-25  0:00           ` robert_dewar
1999-01-22  0:00     ` Ada vs C++ vs Java Patrick Wibbeler
1999-01-26  0:00       ` Ken
1999-01-27  0:00         ` Scott Johnson
1999-01-26  0:00       ` Marin David Condic
1999-01-27  0:00         ` Peter Amey
1999-01-29  0:00         ` P.S. Norby
1999-01-27  0:00       ` Robert Garskof
1999-01-27  0:00         ` Jay O'Connor
1999-01-28  0:00           ` Marin David Condic
1999-01-28  0:00             ` Joshua fit de wall
1999-01-29  0:00               ` Herman
1999-01-31  0:00             ` Ruth Ivimey-Cook
1999-01-31  0:00               ` him/her: was: " robert_dewar
1999-01-13  0:00 ` Peter Amey
1999-01-13  0:00   ` Marin David Condic
1999-01-14  0:00     ` Chris Gray
1999-01-14  0:00       ` Tom Maier
1999-01-21  0:00         ` Brent A Ellingson
1999-01-14  0:00     ` Ola Liljedahl
1999-01-14  0:00       ` Marin David Condic
1999-01-15  0:00         ` Ola Liljedahl
1999-01-15  0:00           ` Marin David Condic
1999-01-14  0:00   ` Crazy Pete
1999-01-15  0:00     ` Markus Kuhn
1999-01-15  0:00       ` Peter
1999-01-15  0:00         ` David C. Hoos, Sr.
1999-01-15  0:00         ` Larry Kilgallen
1999-01-16  0:00         ` Tucker Taft
1999-01-13  0:00 ` Marin David Condic
1999-01-13  0:00   ` Richard Krehbiel
1999-01-13  0:00     ` Marin David Condic
1999-01-13  0:00     ` Dave Hansen
1999-01-14  0:00     ` dennison
1999-01-15  0:00       ` dewar
1999-01-15  0:00         ` dennison
1999-01-13  0:00   ` David Gillon
1999-01-24  0:00     ` Y2.1K (was: Ada vs C++ vs Java) Nick Roberts
1999-02-05  0:00       ` Robert A Duff
1999-02-05  0:00         ` robert_dewar
1999-01-13  0:00   ` Ada vs C++ vs Java Peter
1999-01-14  0:00     ` Peter Sch�ller
1999-01-14  0:00     ` dennison
1999-01-14  0:00     ` Michael J. Tobler
1999-01-15  0:00       ` dewar
1999-01-15  0:00       ` Larry Kilgallen
1999-01-15  0:00       ` robert_dewar
1999-01-13  0:00 ` John Woodruff
1999-01-13  0:00 ` Corvus
1999-01-13  0:00   ` Herman
1999-01-13  0:00     ` Craig Garrett
1999-01-13  0:00       ` Michael Trausch
1999-01-14  0:00         ` Martijn Lievaart
1999-01-14  0:00           ` Michael J. Tobler
1999-01-16  0:00         ` Matthew Heaney
1999-01-16  0:00       ` Matthew Heaney
1999-01-16  0:00         ` Craig Garrett
1999-01-14  0:00     ` Jeff Carter
1999-01-15  0:00       ` dewar
1999-01-16  0:00       ` Matthew Heaney
1999-01-18  0:00         ` dennison
1999-01-18  0:00           ` robert_dewar
1999-01-24  0:00         ` Nick Roberts
1999-01-20  0:00       ` Peter Flynn
     [not found]   ` <01be3f41$c1205ba0$5704fbd1@longslide>
1999-01-14  0:00     ` Thaddeus L. Olczyk
1999-01-17  0:00       ` Craig Garrett
1999-01-20  0:00         ` Gerry Quinn
1999-01-14  0:00     ` Tom Maier
1999-01-19  0:00       ` Vladyslav Kosulin
1999-01-13  0:00 ` Michael J. Tobler
1999-01-22  0:00   ` Tov Are Jacobsen
1999-01-13  0:00 ` dennison
1999-01-13  0:00 ` Erik Funkenbusch
1999-01-13  0:00   ` Marin David Condic
1999-01-14  0:00     ` Ken Keys
1999-01-14  0:00       ` John Woodruff
1999-01-15  0:00         ` Ken Keys
1999-01-15  0:00           ` dennison
1999-01-15  0:00           ` Marc A. Criley
1999-01-18  0:00           ` Marin David Condic
1999-01-14  0:00       ` Marin David Condic
1999-01-15  0:00         ` Ken Keys
1999-01-15  0:00           ` dennison
1999-01-15  0:00           ` dennison
1999-01-18  0:00           ` Marin David Condic
1999-01-19  0:00             ` Matthew Heaney
1999-01-19  0:00               ` Marin David Condic
1999-01-15  0:00       ` dennison
1999-01-13  0:00   ` Ralph Cook
1999-01-13  0:00     ` Bob Munck
1999-01-13  0:00     ` Erik Funkenbusch
1999-01-14  0:00     ` Dave Whipp
1999-01-13  0:00   ` Peter
1999-01-13  0:00     ` Corvus
1999-01-14  0:00   ` Michael J. Tobler [this message]
1999-01-14  0:00     ` Erik Funkenbusch
1999-01-14  0:00       ` Larry Kilgallen
1999-01-19  0:00       ` Chris Gray
1999-01-14  0:00   ` Gerhard Menzl
1999-01-14  0:00     ` John Birch
1999-01-14  0:00       ` Pat Rogers
1999-01-16  0:00         ` John Birch
1999-01-16  0:00           ` Pat Rogers
1999-01-17  0:00           ` Matthew Heaney
1999-01-17  0:00             ` Mike Coffin
1999-01-17  0:00               ` robert_dewar
1999-02-04  0:00                 ` mll
1999-02-04  0:00                   ` mike
1999-02-04  0:00                     ` John McCabe
1999-02-04  0:00                       ` Hyman Rosen
1999-02-04  0:00                       ` mike
1999-02-05  0:00                         ` John McCabe
1999-02-05  0:00                     ` robert_dewar
1999-02-05  0:00                       ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
1999-02-05  0:00                         ` robert_dewar
1999-02-05  0:00                           ` mike
1999-02-06  0:00                             ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
1999-02-06  0:00                             ` robert_dewar
1999-02-06  0:00                               ` mike
1999-02-08  0:00                                 ` dennison
1999-02-08  0:00                                   ` Al Christians
1999-02-08  0:00                                     ` William Clodius
1999-02-09  0:00                                 ` Fredric L. Rice
1999-02-09  0:00                                   ` Matt Austern
1999-02-08  0:00                               ` Marin David Condic
1999-02-09  0:00                               ` Fredric L. Rice
1999-02-09  0:00                                 ` Marin David Condic
1999-02-09  0:00                             ` Fredric L. Rice
1999-02-09  0:00                               ` Robert I. Eachus
1999-02-06  0:00                           ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
1999-02-08  0:00                             ` Robert I. Eachus
1999-02-08  0:00                               ` mike
1999-02-08  0:00                                 ` Larry Kilgallen
1999-02-09  0:00                                 ` Geoff Bull
1999-02-09  0:00                                   ` atomly
1999-02-09  0:00                                     ` Larry Kilgallen
1999-02-09  0:00                               ` robert_dewar
1999-02-10  0:00                                 ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
1999-02-10  0:00                                   ` robert_dewar
1999-02-10  0:00                                     ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
1999-02-10  0:00                                     ` mike
1999-02-10  0:00                                       ` nabbasi
1999-02-10  0:00                                       ` Al Christians
1999-02-12  0:00                                         ` robert_dewar
1999-02-12  0:00                                       ` robert_dewar
1999-02-11  0:00                                     ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
1999-02-12  0:00                                       ` robert_dewar
1999-02-13  0:00                                         ` Dale Stanbrough
1999-02-15  0:00                                         ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
1999-02-16  0:00                                           ` robert_dewar
1999-02-15  0:00                                       ` P.S. Norby
1999-02-16  0:00                                         ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
1999-02-09  0:00                             ` Fredric L. Rice
     [not found]                           ` <79fnce$iv8@drn.newsguy.c <36beecef.70d8ed5e@pwfl.com>
1999-02-08  0:00                             ` Larry Kilgallen
1999-02-08  0:00                               ` Marin David Condic
1999-02-07  0:00                         ` James S. Rogers
1999-02-07  0:00                           ` mike
1999-02-07  0:00                             ` Simon Wright
1999-02-09  0:00                               ` robert_dewar
1999-02-09  0:00                                 ` nabbasi
1999-02-07  0:00                             ` James S. Rogers
1999-02-07  0:00                               ` mike
1999-02-07  0:00                                 ` atomly
1999-02-08  0:00                                   ` robert_dewar
1999-02-08  0:00                                     ` Dan Nagle
1999-02-08  0:00                                   ` Pascal Obry
1999-02-08  0:00                                 ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
1999-02-08  0:00                               ` Geoff Bull
1999-02-09  0:00                               ` Fredric L. Rice
1999-02-09  0:00                                 ` Marin David Condic
1999-02-08  0:00                             ` robert_dewar
     [not found]                             ` <79 <36BF2098.11E0761B@erols.com>
1999-02-08  0:00                               ` Bjarne Stroustrup
1999-02-09  0:00                                 ` robert_dewar
1999-02-09  0:00                             ` Geoff Bull
1999-02-08  0:00                           ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
     [not found]                           ` <79k65l$s0t@drn.news <36c006b8.fc6c187d@acenet.com.au>
1999-02-09  0:00                             ` Larry Kilgallen
1999-02-09  0:00                       ` Fredric L. Rice
1999-02-09  0:00                         ` Marin David Condic
1999-02-05  0:00                     ` Tucker Taft
1999-02-09  0:00                       ` Fredric L. Rice
1999-02-05  0:00                     ` Richard D Riehle
1999-02-05  0:00                     ` Stephen Leake
1999-02-06  0:00                       ` Michael Stark
1999-02-08  0:00                         ` Stanley Friesen [Contractor]
1999-02-12  0:00                           ` Michael Stark
1999-02-06  0:00                     ` Brian Rogoff
1999-02-08  0:00                       ` mike
1999-02-08  0:00                         ` Brian Rogoff
1999-02-09  0:00                           ` Geoff Bull
1999-02-09  0:00                             ` Brian Rogoff
1999-02-09  0:00                         ` dennison
1999-02-09  0:00                         ` Geoff Bull
1999-02-09  0:00                         ` robert_dewar
1999-02-06  0:00                     ` Geoff Bull
1999-02-05  0:00                       ` mike
1999-02-08  0:00                         ` Geoff Bull
1999-02-08  0:00                           ` mike
1999-02-09  0:00                             ` Geoff Bull
1999-02-09  0:00                             ` P.S. Norby
1999-02-08  0:00                           ` Stanley Friesen [Contractor]
1999-02-05  0:00                       ` Andrew Koenig
1999-01-17  0:00               ` Matthew Heaney
1999-01-17  0:00                 ` Mike Coffin
1999-01-17  0:00                   ` Matthew Heaney
1999-01-17  0:00                     ` Mike Coffin
1999-01-19  0:00                       ` adam
1999-01-18  0:00                         ` kevin
1999-01-20  0:00                           ` Michael J. Tobler
1999-01-19  0:00                         ` Michael Rubenstein
1999-01-19  0:00                           ` robert_dewar
1999-01-21  0:00                           ` Lieven Marchand
1999-01-19  0:00                         ` Mike Coffin
1999-01-20  0:00                           ` Larry Kilgallen
1999-01-21  0:00                             ` adam
1999-01-23  0:00                               ` Simon Wright
1999-01-22  0:00                       ` Matthew Heaney
1999-01-22  0:00                         ` adam
1999-01-23  0:00                           ` Matthew Heaney
1999-01-24  0:00                           ` robert_dewar
1999-02-01  0:00                             ` Robert I. Eachus
1999-02-01  0:00                               ` Al Christians
1999-02-02  0:00                                 ` Jerry van Dijk
1999-01-18  0:00                 ` Joe Gwinn
1999-01-19  0:00                   ` robert_dewar
1999-01-20  0:00                     ` Joe Gwinn
1999-01-21  0:00                       ` robert_dewar
1999-01-22  0:00                         ` Joe Gwinn
1999-01-24  0:00                           ` robert_dewar
1999-01-24  0:00                             ` Joe Gwinn
1999-01-25  0:00                               ` robert_dewar
1999-01-25  0:00                                 ` Joe Gwinn
1999-01-21  0:00                       ` robert_dewar
1999-01-21  0:00                         ` Joe Gwinn
1999-01-21  0:00                       ` dennison
1999-01-21  0:00                         ` robert_dewar
1999-01-27  0:00                     ` Ola Liljedahl
1999-01-27  0:00                       ` Scott Johnson
1999-01-27  0:00                       ` Instruction Set Semantics Nick Roberts
1999-01-28  0:00                         ` robert_dewar
1999-01-28  0:00                       ` Ada vs C++ vs Java robert_dewar
1999-01-17  0:00               ` Ell
1999-01-14  0:00       ` Bjarne Stroustrup
1999-01-16  0:00         ` John Birch
1999-01-15  0:00       ` Gerhard Menzl
1999-01-15  0:00         ` John Birch
1999-01-16  0:00           ` robert_dewar
1999-01-16  0:00             ` Crazy Pete
1999-01-16  0:00               ` robert_dewar
1999-01-16  0:00                 ` Judah Diament
1999-01-16  0:00                   ` bill
1999-01-16  0:00                     ` Al Christians
1999-01-17  0:00                     ` Judah Diament
1999-01-17  0:00                     ` robert_dewar
1999-01-17  0:00                       ` bill
1999-01-26  0:00                       ` Enforcement of coding standards (was: Ada vs C++ vs Java) Nick Roberts
1999-01-26  0:00                         ` dennison
1999-01-17  0:00                     ` Ada vs C++ vs Java Dennis
1999-01-16  0:00             ` Michael J. Tobler
1999-01-16  0:00               ` robert_dewar
1999-01-18  0:00                 ` Draconian coding standards (was: Ada vs C++ vs Java) dennison
1999-01-18  0:00                   ` dewar
1999-01-18  0:00                     ` dennison
1999-01-18  0:00                       ` robert_dewar
1999-01-18  0:00                         ` dennison
1999-01-19  0:00                           ` robert_dewar
1999-01-19  0:00                             ` dennison
1999-01-19  0:00                     ` Simon Wright
1999-01-19  0:00                   ` Bob Munck
1999-01-19  0:00                     ` robert_dewar
1999-01-19  0:00                     ` Aidan Skinner
1999-01-18  0:00             ` Ada vs C++ vs Java dennison
1999-01-18  0:00               ` robert_dewar
1999-01-19  0:00                 ` Crazy Pete
1999-01-19  0:00                   ` robert_dewar
1999-01-20  0:00                     ` Christopher Browne
1999-01-19  0:00                       ` bill
1999-01-20  0:00                         ` robert_dewar
1999-01-20  0:00                         ` dennison
1999-01-20  0:00                           ` robert_dewar
1999-01-20  0:00                             ` dennison
1999-01-21  0:00                               ` robert_dewar
1999-01-21  0:00                               ` Matthew Heaney
1999-01-21  0:00                                 ` Al Christians
1999-01-21  0:00                                   ` Matthew Heaney
     [not found]                                     ` <m3g194bhzh.fsf@fred.muc.de>
1999-01-21  0:00                                       ` Stephen Leake
1999-01-21  0:00                                     ` Al Christians
1999-01-22  0:00                                       ` Matthew Heaney
1999-01-21  0:00                                         ` bill_1
1999-01-22  0:00                                           ` Matthew Heaney
1999-01-22  0:00                                             ` Ada mode requests (Re: Ada vs C++ vs Java) dennison
1999-01-22  0:00                                               ` Matthew Heaney
1999-01-22  0:00                                                 ` David C. Hoos, Sr.
1999-01-24  0:00                                                   ` robert_dewar
1999-01-22  0:00                                                 ` dennison
1999-01-22  0:00                                               ` dennison
1999-01-22  0:00                                               ` David C. Hoos, Sr.
1999-01-24  0:00                                                 ` dewar
1999-01-28  0:00                                                   ` John McCabe
1999-01-29  0:00                                                     ` dewar
1999-01-29  0:00                                                       ` John McCabe
1999-01-30  0:00                                                         ` robert_dewar
1999-01-30  0:00                                                           ` John McCabe
1999-01-29  0:00                                                     ` John McCabe
1999-01-25  0:00                                                 ` John McCabe
     [not found]                                                   ` <36afc1ec.20165240@news.geccs.gecm.com>
1999-01-26  0:00                                                     ` John McCabe
1999-01-27  0:00                                                       ` dennison
     [not found]                                                       ` <36b019e5.897220@news.geccs.gecm.com>
1999-01-28  0:00                                                         ` John McCabe
1999-01-29  0:00                                                           ` dewar
1999-01-29  0:00                                                             ` Samuel Tardieu
1999-01-30  0:00                                                               ` John McCabe
     [not found]                                                           ` <36b170cd.1793333@news.geccs.gecm.com>
1999-01-29  0:00                                                             ` John McCabe
1999-01-22  0:00                                             ` Ada vs C++ vs Java bill_1
1999-01-22  0:00                                               ` Matthew Heaney
1999-01-23  0:00                                             ` Simon Wright
1999-01-23  0:00                                               ` Matthew Heaney
1999-01-24  0:00                                                 ` Simon Wright
1999-01-24  0:00                                                   ` Matthew Heaney
1999-01-24  0:00                                             ` dewar
     [not found]                                             ` <36af43e6.7584350@news.geccs.gecm.com>
     [not found]                                               ` <36b04b91.9547583@news.geccs.gecm.com>
1999-01-26  0:00                                                 ` Ada Mode wish list John McCabe
1999-01-26  0:00                                               ` Simon Wright
1999-01-22  0:00                                         ` Ada vs C++ vs Java Tarjei Tj�stheim Jensen
1999-01-20  0:00                             ` dennison
1999-01-21  0:00                               ` dewar
1999-01-21  0:00                                 ` bourguet
1999-01-21  0:00                                 ` dennison
1999-01-20  0:00                         ` robert_dewar
1999-01-21  0:00                           ` Peter Hend�n
1999-01-20  0:00                       ` robert_dewar
1999-01-20  0:00                         ` dennison
1999-01-20  0:00                           ` robert_dewar
1999-01-20  0:00                         ` Robert I. Eachus
1999-01-21  0:00                   ` Martin Dowie
1999-01-19  0:00                 ` Peter Hend�n
1999-01-19  0:00                   ` robert_dewar
1999-01-18  0:00               ` Larry Kilgallen
1999-01-18  0:00           ` Gerhard Menzl
1999-01-18  0:00             ` robert_dewar
1999-01-15  0:00       ` James Kanze
1999-01-16  0:00         ` John Birch
1999-01-17  0:00           ` Matthew Heaney
1999-01-17  0:00             ` phil
1999-01-17  0:00               ` robert_dewar
1999-01-18  0:00             ` John Birch
1999-01-18  0:00               ` James Kanze
1999-01-18  0:00                 ` John Birch
1999-01-18  0:00                   ` robert_dewar
1999-01-19  0:00                   ` James Kanze
1999-01-18  0:00               ` Dynamic memory? (was Re: Ada vs C++ vs Java) Martijn Lievaart
1999-01-18  0:00                 ` John Birch
1999-01-18  0:00                   ` Martijn Lievaart
1999-01-18  0:00                     ` John Birch
1999-01-18  0:00                       ` James Kanze
1999-01-18  0:00                       ` robert_dewar
1999-01-18  0:00                         ` dennison
1999-01-18  0:00                           ` robert_dewar
1999-01-19  0:00                             ` news.oxy.com
1999-01-25  0:00                             ` Nick Roberts
1999-01-26  0:00                               ` robert_dewar
1999-01-19  0:00                         ` bourguet
1999-01-19  0:00                         ` Laurent Safa
1999-01-20  0:00                           ` Michael J. Tobler
1999-01-21  0:00                           ` Richard Kenner
1999-01-21  0:00                         ` Georg Bauhaus
1999-01-21  0:00                           ` robert_dewar
1999-01-18  0:00                       ` Martijn Lievaart
1999-01-18  0:00                       ` John Birch
1999-01-18  0:00                         ` robert_dewar
1999-01-19  0:00                         ` James Kanze
1999-01-20  0:00                       ` Stanley Friesen [Contractor]
1999-01-18  0:00                     ` robert_dewar
1999-01-18  0:00                   ` Ken Keys
1999-01-26  0:00                     ` Scott Johnson
1999-01-18  0:00               ` Ada vs C++ vs Java robert_dewar
1999-01-18  0:00           ` James Kanze
1999-01-18  0:00             ` John Birch
1999-01-18  0:00               ` James Kanze
1999-01-19  0:00               ` Matthew Heaney
1999-01-15  0:00       ` Wolfgang Denk
1999-01-15  0:00         ` Ola Liljedahl
1999-01-15  0:00         ` Herman
1999-01-15  0:00         ` robert_dewar
1999-01-16  0:00           ` Michael J. Tobler
1999-01-25  0:00             ` Real-time dyn allctn (was: Ada vs C++ vs Java) Nick Roberts
1999-01-25  0:00               ` John Birch
1999-01-26  0:00                 ` Nick Roberts
1999-01-27  0:00                   ` John Birch
1999-01-25  0:00               ` robert_dewar
1999-01-26  0:00                 ` Nick Roberts
1999-01-28  0:00                   ` dmitrik
1999-01-29  0:00                     ` Nick Roberts
1999-01-25  0:00               ` Niklas Holsti
1999-01-26  0:00                 ` Nick Roberts
1999-01-16  0:00         ` Ada vs C++ vs Java John Birch
1999-01-16  0:00   ` Matthew Heaney
1999-01-16  0:00     ` Matthew Heaney
1999-01-18  0:00     ` Ken Keys
1999-01-19  0:00       ` Matthew Heaney
1999-01-19  0:00       ` Tucker Taft
     [not found] ` <01be3f5e$26453ca0$5704fbd1@longslide>
1999-01-14  0:00   ` Siamak Kaveh
1999-01-16  0:00     ` Craig Garrett
1999-01-18  0:00       ` Ken Keys
1999-01-14  0:00 ` Pete Becker
1999-01-15  0:00   ` Scott Johnson
1999-01-15  0:00     ` Larry Kilgallen
1999-01-16  0:00     ` Matthew Heaney
1999-01-18  0:00     ` James Kanze
1999-01-19  0:00       ` Scott Johnson
1999-01-15  0:00 ` Bruce Detter
1999-01-18  0:00   ` John Birch
1999-01-18  0:00     ` Bruce Detter
1999-01-19  0:00       ` Thanks everyone! (was Re: Ada vs C++ vs Java) Martijn Lievaart
1999-01-19  0:00         ` John Birch
1999-01-19  0:00           ` Scott Johnson
1999-01-19  0:00           ` Bob Cousins
1999-01-22  0:00 ` Ada vs C++ vs Java Dr. Hubert B. Keller
1999-01-22  0:00   ` Bob Cousins
1999-01-22  0:00     ` Roedy Green
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
1999-01-13  0:00 Leszek Sczaniecki
1999-01-13  0:00 ` David A. Frantz
1999-01-14  0:00   ` forsyth
1999-01-14  0:00     ` Marin David Condic
1999-01-15  0:00     ` robert_dewar
1999-01-13  0:00 ` Stanley R. Allen
1999-01-13  0:00 ` Network
1999-01-14  0:00   ` Ken Keys
1999-01-15  0:00   ` Matthew Heaney
     [not found] ` <369CF2CF.440F413C@hercii.mar.lmco.com>
1999-01-16  0:00   ` bob
     [not found] <m3k8yhy6fe.fsf@fred.muc.de>
1999-01-21  0:00 ` Tucker Taft
1999-01-21  0:00   ` forsyth
1999-01-22  0:00     ` Tucker Taft
1999-01-25  0:00       ` Walter Mallory
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