From: Marin David Condic <condicma@bogon.pwfl.com>
Subject: Re: Ada vs C++ vs Java
Date: 1999/01/13
Date: 1999-01-13T00:00:00+00:00 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <369D26F1.68C323FC@pwfl.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 77j34t$b11@agora.dmz.khoral.com
Well I'll come as clean as I can on the issue of cost. We *do* care how
much a compiler costs and we *don't* want to be some vendor's cash cow.
We, as much as anybody else, want to save money and do the job in as
cost effective a manner as possible. We get squeezed by budgetary
constraints as much as the next guy.
That being said, if suddenly there were only one Ada vendor on the
planet and they, like all good businessmen, set their prices to get
MC=MR and started jumping the price up to significantly higher levels,
we'd probably have to take a look at the investment we already have in
home-grown and off-the-shelf tools & infrastructure and decide if it
made sense to scrap the language or allow ourselves to be milked. Given
the size of what we do and our investment in infrastructure, the price
tag could go up and we'd find it to our advantage to pay. Fortunately,
there *is* competition and even if not, there *are* alternatives. We're
pretty smart around here when it comes to software and we could find a
way of vertically integrating if we were under threat.
Keep in mind that Ada compilers for most platforms are not that
expensive. Many of them can be purchased by your garden variety engineer
for home use without first getting permission from the spousal unit.
More fully featured systems are still within the reach of a well paid
engineer who saves his money and is enough of a geek to blow it on a
compiler instead of a vacation. And once we start talking about
*embedded* systems, the price tag of *all* compilers goes up
significantly for some pretty obvious reasons: You need really good
quality code out of them and you need lots of support tools to get the
code into the embedded box. The more stuff a vendor gives you, the more
they expect to receive on payday.
As for paying lots of money for a support contract, I think that is more
a function of what sort of support you need for the job you are doing.
I'm sure that if I had to go to a vendor of *any* language and ask for
the kinds of modifications, extensions, bug fixing and hand-holding that
is typical of hard real time development, they'd want a bunch of money
too. OTOH, I've purchased compilers with zero support beyond a couple of
installation related phone calls (any vendor had better give you this
much) and been quite happy with the results. It depends what you expect
to do with the compiler.
Also, a thing you want to consider with hard real time, safety critical
applications is that at some point rather early on in the life of the
project, you no longer need *any* support from the vendor because you
are going to freeze the version of the compiler and live with it the way
it is. Usually this is also a point in the project where you no longer
need to call the vendor and ask "How do I make your compiler do XYZ????"
so if the vendor wants to milk you, they've got to do it in the early
stages.
MDC
Richard Krehbiel wrote:
> I would have to speculate that for this application, the amount of money you
> spend on the compiler, tools, and support is virtually irrelevant.
> Supposing Ada falls into disfavor and is relegated to a few critical
> realtime tasks like yours, it's likely your Ada vendor will still be most
> happy to continue to offer you years of support and upgrades, so long as the
> contract is lucrative (and it can keep their company afloat).
>
> Most of the rest of us care deeply whether the compiler and toolset costs
> $50,000 a year for the support contract. Choosing a language which is not
> just a good language, but which is also popular, means we enjoy econmies of
> scale and competition that ensure low prices and a choice of vendors. This
> is just one point of many to consider, but unless you find GNAT suitable, it
> may tend to favor C++ over Ada.
>
--
Marin David Condic
Real Time & Embedded Systems, Propulsion Systems Analysis
United Technologies, Pratt & Whitney, Large Military Engines
M/S 731-95, P.O.B. 109600, West Palm Beach, FL, 33410-9600
Ph: 561.796.8997 Fx: 561.796.4669
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1999-01-12 0:00 Ada vs C++ vs Java Leszek Sczaniecki
1999-01-13 0:00 ` Corvus
1999-01-13 0:00 ` Herman
1999-01-13 0:00 ` Craig Garrett
1999-01-13 0:00 ` Michael Trausch
1999-01-14 0:00 ` Martijn Lievaart
1999-01-14 0:00 ` Michael J. Tobler
1999-01-16 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1999-01-16 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1999-01-16 0:00 ` Craig Garrett
1999-01-14 0:00 ` Jeff Carter
1999-01-15 0:00 ` dewar
1999-01-16 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1999-01-18 0:00 ` dennison
1999-01-18 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-01-24 0:00 ` Nick Roberts
1999-01-20 0:00 ` Peter Flynn
[not found] ` <01be3f41$c1205ba0$5704fbd1@longslide>
1999-01-14 0:00 ` Tom Maier
1999-01-19 0:00 ` Vladyslav Kosulin
1999-01-14 0:00 ` Thaddeus L. Olczyk
1999-01-17 0:00 ` Craig Garrett
1999-01-20 0:00 ` Gerry Quinn
1999-01-13 0:00 ` Michael J. Tobler
1999-01-22 0:00 ` Tov Are Jacobsen
1999-01-13 0:00 ` John Woodruff
1999-01-13 0:00 ` dennison
1999-01-13 0:00 ` Erik Funkenbusch
1999-01-13 0:00 ` Peter
1999-01-13 0:00 ` Corvus
1999-01-13 0:00 ` Ralph Cook
1999-01-13 0:00 ` Erik Funkenbusch
1999-01-13 0:00 ` Bob Munck
1999-01-14 0:00 ` Dave Whipp
1999-01-13 0:00 ` Marin David Condic
1999-01-14 0:00 ` Ken Keys
1999-01-14 0:00 ` Marin David Condic
1999-01-15 0:00 ` Ken Keys
1999-01-15 0:00 ` dennison
1999-01-15 0:00 ` dennison
1999-01-18 0:00 ` Marin David Condic
1999-01-19 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1999-01-19 0:00 ` Marin David Condic
1999-01-14 0:00 ` John Woodruff
1999-01-15 0:00 ` Ken Keys
1999-01-15 0:00 ` Marc A. Criley
1999-01-15 0:00 ` dennison
1999-01-18 0:00 ` Marin David Condic
1999-01-15 0:00 ` dennison
1999-01-14 0:00 ` Gerhard Menzl
1999-01-14 0:00 ` John Birch
1999-01-14 0:00 ` Pat Rogers
1999-01-16 0:00 ` John Birch
1999-01-16 0:00 ` Pat Rogers
1999-01-17 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1999-01-17 0:00 ` Mike Coffin
1999-01-17 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-02-04 0:00 ` mll
1999-02-04 0:00 ` mike
1999-02-04 0:00 ` John McCabe
1999-02-04 0:00 ` mike
1999-02-05 0:00 ` John McCabe
1999-02-04 0:00 ` Hyman Rosen
1999-02-05 0:00 ` Stephen Leake
1999-02-06 0:00 ` Michael Stark
1999-02-08 0:00 ` Stanley Friesen [Contractor]
1999-02-12 0:00 ` Michael Stark
1999-02-05 0:00 ` Richard D Riehle
1999-02-05 0:00 ` Tucker Taft
1999-02-09 0:00 ` Fredric L. Rice
1999-02-05 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-02-05 0:00 ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
1999-02-05 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-02-05 0:00 ` mike
1999-02-06 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-02-06 0:00 ` mike
1999-02-08 0:00 ` dennison
1999-02-08 0:00 ` Al Christians
1999-02-08 0:00 ` William Clodius
1999-02-09 0:00 ` Fredric L. Rice
1999-02-09 0:00 ` Matt Austern
1999-02-08 0:00 ` Marin David Condic
1999-02-09 0:00 ` Fredric L. Rice
1999-02-09 0:00 ` Marin David Condic
1999-02-06 0:00 ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
1999-02-09 0:00 ` Fredric L. Rice
1999-02-09 0:00 ` Robert I. Eachus
1999-02-06 0:00 ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
1999-02-08 0:00 ` Robert I. Eachus
1999-02-08 0:00 ` mike
1999-02-08 0:00 ` Larry Kilgallen
1999-02-09 0:00 ` Geoff Bull
1999-02-09 0:00 ` atomly
1999-02-09 0:00 ` Larry Kilgallen
1999-02-09 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-02-10 0:00 ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
1999-02-10 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-02-10 0:00 ` mike
1999-02-10 0:00 ` Al Christians
1999-02-12 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-02-10 0:00 ` nabbasi
1999-02-12 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-02-10 0:00 ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
1999-02-11 0:00 ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
1999-02-12 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-02-13 0:00 ` Dale Stanbrough
1999-02-15 0:00 ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
1999-02-16 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-02-15 0:00 ` P.S. Norby
1999-02-16 0:00 ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
1999-02-09 0:00 ` Fredric L. Rice
[not found] ` <79fnce$iv8@drn.newsguy.c <36beecef.70d8ed5e@pwfl.com>
1999-02-08 0:00 ` Larry Kilgallen
1999-02-08 0:00 ` Marin David Condic
1999-02-07 0:00 ` James S. Rogers
1999-02-07 0:00 ` mike
1999-02-07 0:00 ` James S. Rogers
1999-02-07 0:00 ` mike
1999-02-07 0:00 ` atomly
1999-02-08 0:00 ` Pascal Obry
1999-02-08 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-02-08 0:00 ` Dan Nagle
1999-02-08 0:00 ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
1999-02-08 0:00 ` Geoff Bull
1999-02-09 0:00 ` Fredric L. Rice
1999-02-09 0:00 ` Marin David Condic
1999-02-07 0:00 ` Simon Wright
1999-02-09 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-02-09 0:00 ` nabbasi
[not found] ` <79 <36BF2098.11E0761B@erols.com>
1999-02-08 0:00 ` Bjarne Stroustrup
1999-02-09 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-02-08 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-02-09 0:00 ` Geoff Bull
1999-02-08 0:00 ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
[not found] ` <79k65l$s0t@drn.news <36c006b8.fc6c187d@acenet.com.au>
1999-02-09 0:00 ` Larry Kilgallen
1999-02-09 0:00 ` Fredric L. Rice
1999-02-09 0:00 ` Marin David Condic
1999-02-06 0:00 ` Geoff Bull
1999-02-05 0:00 ` Andrew Koenig
1999-02-05 0:00 ` mike
1999-02-08 0:00 ` Geoff Bull
1999-02-08 0:00 ` Stanley Friesen [Contractor]
1999-02-08 0:00 ` mike
1999-02-09 0:00 ` Geoff Bull
1999-02-09 0:00 ` P.S. Norby
1999-02-06 0:00 ` Brian Rogoff
1999-02-08 0:00 ` mike
1999-02-08 0:00 ` Brian Rogoff
1999-02-09 0:00 ` Geoff Bull
1999-02-09 0:00 ` Brian Rogoff
1999-02-09 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-02-09 0:00 ` dennison
1999-02-09 0:00 ` Geoff Bull
1999-01-17 0:00 ` Ell
1999-01-17 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1999-01-17 0:00 ` Mike Coffin
1999-01-17 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1999-01-17 0:00 ` Mike Coffin
1999-01-19 0:00 ` adam
1999-01-18 0:00 ` kevin
1999-01-20 0:00 ` Michael J. Tobler
1999-01-19 0:00 ` Michael Rubenstein
1999-01-19 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-01-21 0:00 ` Lieven Marchand
1999-01-19 0:00 ` Mike Coffin
1999-01-20 0:00 ` Larry Kilgallen
1999-01-21 0:00 ` adam
1999-01-23 0:00 ` Simon Wright
1999-01-22 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1999-01-22 0:00 ` adam
1999-01-23 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1999-01-24 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-02-01 0:00 ` Robert I. Eachus
1999-02-01 0:00 ` Al Christians
1999-02-02 0:00 ` Jerry van Dijk
1999-01-18 0:00 ` Joe Gwinn
1999-01-19 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-01-20 0:00 ` Joe Gwinn
1999-01-21 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-01-22 0:00 ` Joe Gwinn
1999-01-24 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-01-24 0:00 ` Joe Gwinn
1999-01-25 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-01-25 0:00 ` Joe Gwinn
1999-01-21 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-01-21 0:00 ` Joe Gwinn
1999-01-21 0:00 ` dennison
1999-01-21 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-01-27 0:00 ` Ola Liljedahl
1999-01-27 0:00 ` Scott Johnson
1999-01-27 0:00 ` Instruction Set Semantics Nick Roberts
1999-01-28 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-01-28 0:00 ` Ada vs C++ vs Java robert_dewar
1999-01-14 0:00 ` Bjarne Stroustrup
1999-01-16 0:00 ` John Birch
1999-01-15 0:00 ` James Kanze
1999-01-16 0:00 ` John Birch
1999-01-17 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1999-01-17 0:00 ` phil
1999-01-17 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-01-18 0:00 ` John Birch
1999-01-18 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-01-18 0:00 ` James Kanze
1999-01-18 0:00 ` John Birch
1999-01-18 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-01-19 0:00 ` James Kanze
1999-01-18 0:00 ` Dynamic memory? (was Re: Ada vs C++ vs Java) Martijn Lievaart
1999-01-18 0:00 ` John Birch
1999-01-18 0:00 ` Ken Keys
1999-01-26 0:00 ` Scott Johnson
1999-01-18 0:00 ` Martijn Lievaart
1999-01-18 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-01-18 0:00 ` John Birch
1999-01-18 0:00 ` Martijn Lievaart
1999-01-18 0:00 ` John Birch
1999-01-18 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-01-19 0:00 ` James Kanze
1999-01-18 0:00 ` James Kanze
1999-01-18 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-01-18 0:00 ` dennison
1999-01-18 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-01-19 0:00 ` news.oxy.com
1999-01-25 0:00 ` Nick Roberts
1999-01-26 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-01-19 0:00 ` Laurent Safa
1999-01-20 0:00 ` Michael J. Tobler
1999-01-21 0:00 ` Richard Kenner
1999-01-19 0:00 ` bourguet
1999-01-21 0:00 ` Georg Bauhaus
1999-01-21 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-01-20 0:00 ` Stanley Friesen [Contractor]
1999-01-18 0:00 ` Ada vs C++ vs Java James Kanze
1999-01-18 0:00 ` John Birch
1999-01-18 0:00 ` James Kanze
1999-01-19 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1999-01-15 0:00 ` Gerhard Menzl
1999-01-15 0:00 ` John Birch
1999-01-16 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-01-16 0:00 ` Michael J. Tobler
1999-01-16 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-01-18 0:00 ` Draconian coding standards (was: Ada vs C++ vs Java) dennison
1999-01-18 0:00 ` dewar
1999-01-18 0:00 ` dennison
1999-01-18 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-01-18 0:00 ` dennison
1999-01-19 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-01-19 0:00 ` dennison
1999-01-19 0:00 ` Simon Wright
1999-01-19 0:00 ` Bob Munck
1999-01-19 0:00 ` Aidan Skinner
1999-01-19 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-01-16 0:00 ` Ada vs C++ vs Java Crazy Pete
1999-01-16 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-01-16 0:00 ` Judah Diament
1999-01-16 0:00 ` bill
1999-01-16 0:00 ` Al Christians
1999-01-17 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-01-17 0:00 ` bill
1999-01-26 0:00 ` Enforcement of coding standards (was: Ada vs C++ vs Java) Nick Roberts
1999-01-26 0:00 ` dennison
1999-01-17 0:00 ` Ada vs C++ vs Java Judah Diament
1999-01-17 0:00 ` Dennis
1999-01-18 0:00 ` dennison
1999-01-18 0:00 ` Larry Kilgallen
1999-01-18 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-01-19 0:00 ` Crazy Pete
1999-01-19 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-01-20 0:00 ` Christopher Browne
1999-01-19 0:00 ` bill
1999-01-20 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-01-21 0:00 ` Peter Hend�n
1999-01-20 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-01-20 0:00 ` dennison
1999-01-20 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-01-20 0:00 ` dennison
1999-01-21 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-01-21 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1999-01-21 0:00 ` Al Christians
1999-01-21 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1999-01-21 0:00 ` Al Christians
1999-01-22 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1999-01-21 0:00 ` bill_1
1999-01-22 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1999-01-22 0:00 ` Ada mode requests (Re: Ada vs C++ vs Java) dennison
1999-01-22 0:00 ` David C. Hoos, Sr.
1999-01-24 0:00 ` dewar
1999-01-28 0:00 ` John McCabe
1999-01-29 0:00 ` John McCabe
1999-01-29 0:00 ` dewar
1999-01-29 0:00 ` John McCabe
1999-01-30 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-01-30 0:00 ` John McCabe
1999-01-25 0:00 ` John McCabe
[not found] ` <36afc1ec.20165240@news.geccs.gecm.com>
1999-01-26 0:00 ` John McCabe
1999-01-27 0:00 ` dennison
[not found] ` <36b019e5.897220@news.geccs.gecm.com>
1999-01-28 0:00 ` John McCabe
[not found] ` <36b170cd.1793333@news.geccs.gecm.com>
1999-01-29 0:00 ` John McCabe
1999-01-29 0:00 ` dewar
1999-01-29 0:00 ` Samuel Tardieu
1999-01-30 0:00 ` John McCabe
1999-01-22 0:00 ` dennison
1999-01-22 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1999-01-22 0:00 ` David C. Hoos, Sr.
1999-01-24 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-01-22 0:00 ` dennison
1999-01-22 0:00 ` Ada vs C++ vs Java bill_1
1999-01-22 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1999-01-23 0:00 ` Simon Wright
1999-01-23 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1999-01-24 0:00 ` Simon Wright
1999-01-24 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1999-01-24 0:00 ` dewar
[not found] ` <36af43e6.7584350@news.geccs.gecm.com>
1999-01-26 0:00 ` Ada Mode wish list Simon Wright
[not found] ` <36b04b91.9547583@news.geccs.gecm.com>
1999-01-26 0:00 ` John McCabe
1999-01-22 0:00 ` Ada vs C++ vs Java Tarjei Tj�stheim Jensen
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1999-01-21 0:00 ` Stephen Leake
1999-01-20 0:00 ` dennison
1999-01-21 0:00 ` dewar
1999-01-21 0:00 ` dennison
1999-01-21 0:00 ` bourguet
1999-01-20 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-01-20 0:00 ` dennison
1999-01-20 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-01-20 0:00 ` Robert I. Eachus
1999-01-21 0:00 ` Martin Dowie
1999-01-19 0:00 ` Peter Hend�n
1999-01-19 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-01-18 0:00 ` Gerhard Menzl
1999-01-18 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-01-15 0:00 ` Wolfgang Denk
1999-01-15 0:00 ` Ola Liljedahl
1999-01-15 0:00 ` Herman
1999-01-15 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-01-16 0:00 ` Michael J. Tobler
1999-01-25 0:00 ` Real-time dyn allctn (was: Ada vs C++ vs Java) Nick Roberts
1999-01-25 0:00 ` John Birch
1999-01-26 0:00 ` Nick Roberts
1999-01-27 0:00 ` John Birch
1999-01-25 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-01-26 0:00 ` Nick Roberts
1999-01-28 0:00 ` dmitrik
1999-01-29 0:00 ` Nick Roberts
1999-01-25 0:00 ` Niklas Holsti
1999-01-26 0:00 ` Nick Roberts
1999-01-16 0:00 ` Ada vs C++ vs Java John Birch
1999-01-14 0:00 ` Michael J. Tobler
1999-01-14 0:00 ` Erik Funkenbusch
1999-01-14 0:00 ` Larry Kilgallen
1999-01-19 0:00 ` Chris Gray
1999-01-16 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1999-01-16 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1999-01-18 0:00 ` Ken Keys
1999-01-19 0:00 ` Tucker Taft
1999-01-19 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1999-01-13 0:00 ` Tucker Taft
1999-01-14 0:00 ` Emil Rojas
1999-01-13 0:00 ` Herman
1999-01-13 0:00 ` Marin David Condic
1999-01-15 0:00 ` David R. Conrad
1999-01-15 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-01-16 0:00 ` Michael J. Tobler
1999-01-15 0:00 ` Al Christians
1999-01-16 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-01-16 0:00 ` Michael J. Tobler
1999-01-16 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-01-16 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-01-16 0:00 ` Bob Munck
1999-01-24 0:00 ` COBOL/Top-Down prog'g (was: Ada vs C++ vs Java) Nick Roberts
1999-01-25 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-01-22 0:00 ` Ada vs C++ vs Java Patrick Wibbeler
1999-01-26 0:00 ` Marin David Condic
1999-01-27 0:00 ` Peter Amey
1999-01-29 0:00 ` P.S. Norby
1999-01-26 0:00 ` Ken
1999-01-27 0:00 ` Scott Johnson
1999-01-27 0:00 ` Robert Garskof
1999-01-27 0:00 ` Jay O'Connor
1999-01-28 0:00 ` Marin David Condic
1999-01-28 0:00 ` Joshua fit de wall
1999-01-29 0:00 ` Herman
1999-01-31 0:00 ` Ruth Ivimey-Cook
1999-01-31 0:00 ` him/her: was: " robert_dewar
1999-01-13 0:00 ` Peter Amey
1999-01-13 0:00 ` Marin David Condic
1999-01-14 0:00 ` Ola Liljedahl
1999-01-14 0:00 ` Marin David Condic
1999-01-15 0:00 ` Ola Liljedahl
1999-01-15 0:00 ` Marin David Condic
1999-01-14 0:00 ` Chris Gray
1999-01-14 0:00 ` Tom Maier
1999-01-21 0:00 ` Brent A Ellingson
1999-01-14 0:00 ` Crazy Pete
1999-01-15 0:00 ` Markus Kuhn
1999-01-15 0:00 ` Peter
1999-01-15 0:00 ` David C. Hoos, Sr.
1999-01-15 0:00 ` Larry Kilgallen
1999-01-16 0:00 ` Tucker Taft
1999-01-13 0:00 ` Bob Cousins
1999-01-14 0:00 ` jim.hyslop
1999-01-15 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-01-14 0:00 ` dennison
1999-01-13 0:00 ` Marin David Condic
1999-01-13 0:00 ` Richard Krehbiel
1999-01-13 0:00 ` Marin David Condic [this message]
1999-01-13 0:00 ` Dave Hansen
1999-01-14 0:00 ` dennison
1999-01-15 0:00 ` dewar
1999-01-15 0:00 ` dennison
1999-01-13 0:00 ` David Gillon
1999-01-24 0:00 ` Y2.1K (was: Ada vs C++ vs Java) Nick Roberts
1999-02-05 0:00 ` Robert A Duff
1999-02-05 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-01-13 0:00 ` Ada vs C++ vs Java Peter
1999-01-14 0:00 ` Peter Sch�ller
1999-01-14 0:00 ` Michael J. Tobler
1999-01-15 0:00 ` robert_dewar
1999-01-15 0:00 ` dewar
1999-01-15 0:00 ` Larry Kilgallen
1999-01-14 0:00 ` dennison
1999-01-14 0:00 ` Pete Becker
1999-01-15 0:00 ` Scott Johnson
1999-01-15 0:00 ` Larry Kilgallen
1999-01-16 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1999-01-18 0:00 ` James Kanze
1999-01-19 0:00 ` Scott Johnson
[not found] ` <01be3f5e$26453ca0$5704fbd1@longslide>
1999-01-14 0:00 ` Siamak Kaveh
1999-01-16 0:00 ` Craig Garrett
1999-01-18 0:00 ` Ken Keys
1999-01-15 0:00 ` Bruce Detter
1999-01-18 0:00 ` John Birch
1999-01-18 0:00 ` Bruce Detter
1999-01-19 0:00 ` Thanks everyone! (was Re: Ada vs C++ vs Java) Martijn Lievaart
1999-01-19 0:00 ` John Birch
1999-01-19 0:00 ` Bob Cousins
1999-01-19 0:00 ` Scott Johnson
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