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From: Al Christians <achrist@easystreet.com>
Subject: Re: Y2K Issues
Date: 1998/11/06
Date: 1998-11-06T00:00:00+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3643F872.DD14E00@easystreet.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 720n9r$gk9$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com

dewarr@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> 
> Twenty years = 1978, and of course we agree that people
> were aware of Y2K then, indeed my post that started this
> thread noted that.
> 
> But Robert Eachus claimed ten years earlier (late 60's),
> and that I find dubious.
> 

I've been doing a little informal research on my bookshelf to see 
what level of awareness of y2k problems was in times past and what 
a reasonably literate software developer would have seen.   Here's 
some of what I've found:

1. A good late 1980's Cobol text has examples with 2-digit year fields.
2. Cobol's CURRENT-DATE returned 2-digit year through Cobol 85.  Even
somebody who knew how bad this was might still use 2-digit years in
their code, because that was the standard way, and the standard way
would be compatible with the anticipated standard fix that has never
arrived.
3. A 1993 book on user interface screen design has 2-digit year fields
in the example screens, and gives results showing how research finds 
longer data fields produce much higher data entry error rates -- no 
mention of y2k problems.  (I know of several very large systems written 
20 or more years ago with file formats and processing algorithms that 
accomodate y2k fine, but that are rendered worthless by y2k because the 
screens and I/O routines are non-compliant)   
4. Yourdon and Constantine's _Structured_Design_, a very influential 
work circa 1978, includes a lengthy example with data dictionary
entries showing 6-digit date fields.  Curiously, Yourdon is now one of
the authors of books telling how to handle the problem.

 
Al




  reply	other threads:[~1998-11-06  0:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 61+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
1998-10-19  0:00 Y2K Issues John J Cupak Jr
1998-10-19  0:00 ` dewar
1998-10-19  0:00 ` Tucker Taft
1998-10-19  0:00   ` Joe Gwinn
1998-10-20  0:00     ` Joe Gwinn
1998-10-19  0:00 ` Niklas Holsti
     [not found] ` <362B8D2F.802F42E6@lmco.com>
1998-10-20  0:00   ` dennison
1998-10-23  0:00     ` Michael F Brenner
1998-10-20  0:00   ` Robert I. Eachus
1998-10-22  0:00     ` Mark Bennison
1998-10-22  0:00       ` dennison
1998-10-23  0:00         ` Robert I. Eachus
1998-10-25  0:00   ` Michael Feldman
1998-10-26  0:00     ` Robert A Duff
1998-10-26  0:00       ` Joel Seidman
1998-10-26  0:00         ` Y2K Issues - Warning Off-Topic Al Christians
1998-10-27  0:00       ` Y2K Issues dewarr
1998-10-26  0:00     ` dennison
1998-10-27  0:00       ` dewarr
1998-10-27  0:00         ` Tucker Taft
1998-10-27  0:00           ` Y2K Issues (well, not really...) Dave Wood
1998-10-28  0:00           ` Y2K Issues dennison
1998-10-28  0:00             ` Dave Wood
1998-10-27  0:00         ` John Herro
1998-10-27  0:00     ` dewarr
1998-10-29  0:00       ` system
1998-10-29  0:00         ` Al Christians
1998-11-02  0:00         ` Marin David Condic
1998-11-04  0:00           ` Robert I. Eachus
1998-11-05  0:00             ` dewarr
1998-11-06  0:00               ` Robert I. Eachus
1998-11-06  0:00               ` Jerry van Dijk
1998-11-07  0:00                 ` dewarr
1998-11-06  0:00                   ` Al Christians [this message]
1998-11-08  0:00                     ` Jerry van Dijk
1998-11-08  0:00                       ` dewarr
1998-10-27  0:00 ` Gautier de Montmollin
1998-10-28  0:00   ` adam
1998-10-29  0:00     ` Gautier.DeMontmollin
1998-10-28  0:00   ` adam
1998-10-28  0:00     ` Al Christians
1998-10-29  0:00     ` Samuel Mize
1998-11-04  0:00     ` Robert I. Eachus
1998-10-28  0:00   ` Arthur Evans Jr
1998-10-28  0:00   ` dewar
1998-10-28  0:00     ` Gautier.DeMontmollin
1998-10-28  0:00       ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
1998-10-28  0:00         ` Robert I. Eachus
1998-10-29  0:00           ` Dale Stanbrough
1998-10-29  0:00             ` Tucker Taft
1998-10-29  0:00               ` dewar
1998-10-29  0:00                 ` Tucker Taft
1998-10-30  0:00                   ` dennison
1998-10-31  0:00                     ` dewarr
1998-11-02  0:00                       ` dennison
1998-10-30  0:00                 ` Matthew Heaney
1998-10-31  0:00                   ` dewar
1998-10-30  0:00                 ` Dale Stanbrough
1998-10-29  0:00             ` Mark A Biggar
1998-10-29  0:00             ` Samuel Mize
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
1998-10-23  0:00 Condic, Marin D.
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