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From: Bertrand Meyer <Bertrand.Meyer@eiffel.com>
To: Matthew Heaney <matthew_heaney@acm.org>
Subject: Re: Is there a language that Dijkstra liked? (was: Re: Software landmines (loops))
Date: 1998/10/11
Date: 1998-10-11T00:00:00+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3620FA1A.AC761584@eiffel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: m37lyawrrq.fsf@mheaney.ni.net

I'd like to clear up the chronology and Hoare references.

Matthew Heaney wrote:
> 
> dewarr@my-dejanews.com
	[I assume this is Robert Dewar but couldn't find a confirmation -- BM]
> writes:
 
> !! [...] Perhaps you are talking about AH's [I assume this is Tony Hoare -- BM]
> !! Turing address, which
> !! certainly did not "kill interest on Ada in the academic
> !! community" [...] [Tony Hoare] did
> !! also write a nice [foreword] for a book by Brian Wichman.

[Matthew Heaney:]
 
> I have to disagree with you, Robert.  It is my opinion that it was
> Hoare's Turing Award speech that single-handedly derailed the Ada
> language effort.  He essentially argued that by using Ada, "the fate of
> mankind" was at stake.
> [...]
> It's the kind of thing that probably prompted C.B. Jones to remark that:
> 
> "Subsequent to this publication, Hoare and Wirth consulted for SRI on
> their 'Yellow' language response to the 'Tinman' requirements.  Their
> consistent advice to simplify even this language was unheeded - but the
> final Ada language (the 'Green' proposal) was even more baroque."
> 
> (excerpted from Chap 13, "Hints on programming language design", in
> Essays in Computing Science, by Hoare and Jones).
> 
> In his speech, Hoare argued that "Ada was doomed to succeed."  [...]

What is not clear is that you are talking about two separate papers from
Hoare. The remark by C.B. Jones is in chapter 13 of his collection of Hoare
papers (Essays in Computing Science, edited by Hoare and Jones, Prentice Hall).
This is the paper entitled "Hints on Programming Language Design", dating back
to 1973 (although the version republished in the book is from 1974).

The Turing lecture ("The Emperor's Old Clothes", chapter 1 in the
Hoare-Jones collection), which contains the strongly critical comments
on Ada, including the "doomed to success" remark, is quite posterior: 1980.

I have no doubt Mr. Heaney understands this, but the above extract is unfortunate:
if you haven't read the book, then when you see Cliff Jones's comment cited above
("Subsequent to this publication, Hoare and Wirth consulted
for [the] Yellow language"), you will almost certainly think that
it implies the consulting was "subsequent to the Turing lecture of 1980",
whereas Jones of course meant "subsequent to the 1973 paper 'Hints on
Programming Language Design'".

So the chronology is:

	1973: Paper on "Hints on Programming Language Design" (revised 74).

	1975-1978 (approximate dates): Hoare consults on the "Yellow" language
	proposal.

	1978 (I think): DoD chooses "Green" and "Red" languages  as finalists.

	1978-1979 (or 1980): Hoare consults for the Green team (Jean Ichbiah).

	1980: DoD chooses Green as the winning language design for Ada.

	1980: Hoare's Turing lecture, "The Emperor's Old Clothes", includes
	strongly critical comments on Ada.

By the way, whatever you think of Ada and Hoare's 1980 view of it, which occupy
only a few paragraphs towards the end of the article, "The Emperor's
Old Clothes" should be required reading in any computing science curriculum.

	(When you write something like that someone is bound to ask:
	"Where do I find the full text on the Web?". So I ran a search but the
	only copy I found is on the home page of a graduate student and doesn't
	say whether the copy is authorized, so I am not publishing the URL here.
	Suffice it to say that I found it on Sunday morning PDT by running
	the query "Hoare emperor's old clothes Ada" at Highway61.

	In any case any university library will have Communications of the ACM,
	vol. 24, no. 2, February 1981, pp. 75-83, where the paper first appeared,
	and probably the Hoare-Jones volume as well.)
	
-- 
Bertrand Meyer, Interactive Software Engineering
ISE Building, 2nd Floor, 270 Storke Road Goleta, CA 93117 USA
805-685-1006, Fax 805-685-6869,
<Bertrand.Meyer@eiffel.com>, http://eiffel.com




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1998-08-06  0:00 Why C++ is successful Robert Dewar
1998-08-07  0:00 ` harald.mueller
1998-08-07  0:00   ` Robert Dewar
1998-08-08  0:00     ` Patrick Logan
1998-08-07  0:00   ` Brian Rogoff
1998-08-07  0:00     ` Timothy Welch
1998-08-08  0:00       ` Robert Dewar
1998-08-08  0:00         ` Larry Elmore
1998-08-08  0:00         ` Jeffrey C. Dege
1998-08-08  0:00           ` Patrick Logan
1998-08-10  0:00           ` Laurent GUERBY
1998-08-12  0:00             ` Andy Ward
1998-08-12  0:00               ` Matt Kennel
1998-08-14  0:00               ` Robert Dewar
1998-08-13  0:00                 ` nasser
1998-08-19  0:00                   ` Don Harrison
1998-08-14  0:00                 ` Patrick Doyle
1998-08-16  0:00                   ` Robert Dewar
1998-08-16  0:00                     ` Patrick Doyle
1998-08-16  0:00                   ` Robert Dewar
1998-08-16  0:00                     ` Patrick Doyle
1998-08-18  0:00                     ` Martin Tom Brown
1998-08-14  0:00                 ` Ell
1998-08-17  0:00                   ` Robert I. Eachus
1998-08-17  0:00                     ` Patrick Logan
1998-08-18  0:00                       ` Samuel Tardieu
1998-08-25  0:00                       ` Optimizing recursion (was Re: Why C++ is successful) Robert I. Eachus
1998-08-25  0:00                         ` Darren New
1998-08-26  0:00                           ` Martin Tom Brown
1998-08-26  0:00                           ` Robert I. Eachus
1998-08-26  0:00                           ` Aaro Koskinen
     [not found]                       ` <EACHUS.98Aug25165110@s <6s43nq$m31$1@berlin.infomatch.com>
1998-08-27  0:00                         ` Constants vs Functions (was Re: Optimizing recursion...) Robert I. Eachus
1998-08-27  0:00                       ` Ray Blaak
1998-08-14  0:00                 ` Why C++ is successful Jean-Pierre Rosen
1998-08-14  0:00                   ` Robert Martin
1998-08-16  0:00                     ` Robert Dewar
1998-08-16  0:00                       ` Robert Martin
1998-08-16  0:00                       ` Rick Smith
1998-08-17  0:00                         ` Robert Dewar
1998-08-17  0:00                           ` Rick Smith
1998-08-15  0:00                   ` Patrick Doyle
1998-08-15  0:00                     ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
1998-08-16  0:00                       ` Patrick Doyle
1998-08-16  0:00                       ` Robert Dewar
1998-08-17  0:00                         ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
1998-08-15  0:00                   ` Mr Ada
1998-08-16  0:00                     ` Robert Dewar
1998-08-16  0:00                   ` Robert Dewar
1998-08-14  0:00                 ` Software landmines (was: Why C++ is successful) dennison
1998-08-15  0:00                   ` Thaddeus L. Olczyk
1998-08-16  0:00                   ` Robert Dewar
1998-08-17  0:00                     ` dennison
1998-08-18  0:00                       ` adam
1998-08-19  0:00                         ` Tucker Taft
1998-08-19  0:00                           ` adam
1998-08-19  0:00                       ` ell
1998-08-19  0:00                         ` adam
1998-08-19  0:00                           ` Dan Higdon
1998-08-20  0:00                             ` adam
1998-08-20  0:00                               ` Dan Higdon
1998-08-20  0:00                               ` Software landmines (loops) Nick Leaton
1998-08-30  0:00                                 ` Matthew Heaney
1998-08-30  0:00                                   ` Robert Martin
1998-08-30  0:00                                     ` Charles Hixson
1998-08-31  0:00                                       ` Robert I. Eachus
1998-08-31  0:00                                     ` dennison
1998-08-31  0:00                                       ` Robert Martin
1998-09-01  0:00                                         ` Matthew Heaney
1998-09-06  0:00                                           ` Charles Hixson
1998-09-06  0:00                                             ` Matthew Heaney
1998-09-01  0:00                                       ` Andrew Reilly
1998-09-01  0:00                                         ` Matthew Heaney
1998-09-01  0:00                                         ` dennison
1998-09-01  0:00                                           ` Which wastes more time? (Was Re: Software landmines (loops)) Robert Huffman
1998-09-02  0:00                                             ` Gerry Quinn
1998-09-02  0:00                                               ` Jerry van Dijk
1998-09-04  0:00                                                 ` Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-04  0:00                                                   ` Ell
1998-09-05  0:00                                                     ` Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-04  0:00                                                       ` Ell
1998-09-05  0:00                                                       ` Ell
1998-09-05  0:00                                                         ` Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-05  0:00                                                           ` Patrick Logan
1998-09-09  0:00                                                             ` Paolo F. Cantoni
1998-09-09  0:00                                                               ` Patrick Logan
1998-09-11  0:00                                                                 ` Paolo F. Cantoni
1998-09-05  0:00                                                           ` Robert Martin
1998-09-06  0:00                                                             ` Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-05  0:00                                                               ` Robert Martin
1998-09-06  0:00                                                                 ` Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-06  0:00                                                                   ` Robert Martin
1998-09-07  0:00                                                                     ` Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-06  0:00                                                                       ` Robert Martin
1998-09-08  0:00                                                                         ` Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-06  0:00                                                               ` Charles Hixson
1998-09-07  0:00                                                                 ` Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-07  0:00                                                               ` Andrew Reilly
1998-09-06  0:00                                                                 ` Biju Thomas
1998-09-08  0:00                                                                 ` Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-09  0:00                                                               ` Paolo F. Cantoni
1998-09-10  0:00                                                                 ` Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-11  0:00                                                                   ` Paolo F. Cantoni
1998-09-12  0:00                                                                     ` Loryn Jenkins
     [not found]                                                       ` <35f48276.90997557@news.erols.com <35F42CAC.6F566DC7@s054.aone.net.au>
1998-09-07  0:00                                                         ` Patrick Doyle
1998-09-08  0:00                                                           ` Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-08  0:00                                                             ` Patrick Doyle
1998-09-09  0:00                                                               ` Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-08  0:00                                                                 ` Patrick Doyle
1998-09-10  0:00                                                                   ` Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-09  0:00                                                                     ` Patrick Doyle
1998-09-11  0:00                                                                       ` Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-11  0:00                                                                       ` Loryn Jenkins
     [not found]                                                       ` <35f48276.90997557@news.erols.com <35F79B59.185AA03E@s054.aone.net.au>
1998-09-11  0:00                                                         ` Jim Cochrane
1998-09-12  0:00                                                           ` Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-12  0:00                                                             ` Jim Cochrane
1998-09-01  0:00                                         ` Software landmines (loops) dewarr
     [not found]                                     ` <35f51e53.48044143@ <m3af4mq7f4.fsf@mheaney.ni.net>
1998-08-31  0:00                                       ` Andrew Hussey
1998-08-31  0:00                                         ` Mattias Lundstr�m
1998-08-31  0:00                                           ` Robert Martin
1998-08-31  0:00                                             ` Robert I. Eachus
1998-08-31  0:00                                               ` Robert Martin
1998-09-01  0:00                                                 ` Matthew Heaney
1998-09-01  0:00                                                   ` Stephen Leake
1998-09-01  0:00                                                     ` Robert Martin
1998-09-01  0:00                                               ` Matthew Heaney
1998-09-01  0:00                                             ` Mattias Lundstr�m
1998-09-01  0:00                                               ` Robert Martin
1998-09-01  0:00                                                 ` Robert I. Eachus
1998-09-01  0:00                                                   ` Robert Martin
1998-09-02  0:00                                                 ` Mattias Lundstr�m
1998-09-02  0:00                                                 ` Mattias Lundstr�m
1998-09-02  0:00                                                   ` Robert Martin
1998-09-01  0:00                                             ` Richard Jones
1998-09-02  0:00                                               ` Mattias Lundstr�m
1998-09-02  0:00                                               ` Mattias Lundstr�m
1998-09-02  0:00                                                 ` Patrick Logan
1998-09-02  0:00                                                   ` Robert Martin
1998-09-02  0:00                                               ` Mattias Lundstr�m
1998-09-02  0:00                                               ` Mattias Lundstr�m
1998-09-01  0:00                                           ` Tim Ottinger
1998-08-31  0:00                                         ` Matthew Heaney
1998-08-31  0:00                                           ` Robert Martin
1998-08-31  0:00                                             ` Gene Gajewski
1998-09-01  0:00                                             ` Chris Brand
1998-09-01  0:00                                               ` Robert Martin
1998-09-01  0:00                                                 ` Biju Thomas
1998-09-01  0:00                                                   ` Robert Martin
1998-09-01  0:00                                             ` Matthew Heaney
1998-08-31  0:00                                               ` Robert Martin
1998-09-01  0:00                                                 ` Gerhard Menzl
1998-09-02  0:00                                                 ` Tres Seaver
1998-09-02  0:00                                                   ` Robert Martin
1998-09-03  0:00                                                     ` sureshvv
1998-09-03  0:00                                                   ` Patrick Logan
1998-09-01  0:00                                             ` Robert I. Eachus
1998-09-01  0:00                                             ` Richard Melvin
1998-09-01  0:00                                               ` Robert Martin
1998-09-02  0:00                                               ` Jim Cochrane
1998-09-02  0:00                                                 ` Richard Melvin
1998-09-02  0:00                                                   ` Jim Cochrane
1998-09-03  0:00                                                     ` Matthew Heaney
1998-09-03  0:00                                                       ` Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-03  0:00                                                       ` Jim Cochrane
1998-09-01  0:00                                             ` Phil Goodwin
1998-09-01  0:00                                               ` Biju Thomas
1998-09-02  0:00                                                 ` Phil Goodwin
1998-09-02  0:00                                                   ` Robert Martin
1998-09-03  0:00                                                     ` Phil Goodwin
1998-09-03  0:00                                                       ` Robert Martin
1998-09-03  0:00                                               ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
1998-09-01  0:00                                             ` sureshvv
1998-09-01  0:00                                               ` Robert Martin
1998-09-02  0:00                                                 ` sureshvv
1998-09-02  0:00                                                   ` Robert Martin
1998-09-02  0:00                                                   ` Robert Martin
1998-09-03  0:00                                                     ` Charles Hixson
1998-09-04  0:00                                                       ` Patrick Logan
1998-09-04  0:00                                                       ` adam
1998-09-06  0:00                                                         ` Gerry Quinn
1998-09-04  0:00                                                     ` Rick Smith
1998-09-04  0:00                                                       ` Charles Hixson
1998-09-04  0:00                                                       ` Robert Martin
     [not found]                                                       ` <gio+van+no+ni+8-0809981818260001@dialup75.tlh.talstar.com>
1998-09-08  0:00                                                         ` Rick Smith
1998-09-08  0:00                                                         ` Mark A Biggar
1998-09-08  0:00                                                       ` adam
1998-09-08  0:00                                                         ` Rick Smith
1998-08-31  0:00                                           ` Tim McDermott
1998-08-31  0:00                                             ` Larry Brasfield
1998-09-01  0:00                                               ` Matthew Heaney
1998-09-01  0:00                                             ` Matthew Heaney
1998-09-01  0:00                                             ` dewar
1998-09-01  0:00                                           ` Don Harrison
1998-09-01  0:00                                           ` Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-01  0:00                                             ` Matthew Heaney
1998-09-01  0:00                                               ` dewarr
1998-09-01  0:00                                                 ` Really a U.S. thing? (Was Re: Software landmines (loops)) Brian Rogoff
1998-09-01  0:00                                                 ` Optimizations (was: " dennison
1998-09-01  0:00                                                   ` Expressive Case Statements (was: Software landmines) Richard D Riehle
1998-09-01  0:00                                                     ` Tucker Taft
1998-09-02  0:00                                                       ` Richard D Riehle
1998-09-01  0:00                                                     ` Robert I. Eachus
1998-09-02  0:00                                                       ` Dr Richard A. O'Keefe
1998-09-02  0:00                                                         ` Richard D Riehle
1998-09-03  0:00                                                           ` Dale Stanbrough
1998-09-04  0:00                                                           ` Al Christians
1998-09-05  0:00                                                             ` Tom Moran
1998-09-02  0:00                                                         ` Matthew Heaney
1998-09-02  0:00                                                         ` Robert I. Eachus
1998-09-04  0:00                                                           ` Al Christians
1998-09-02  0:00                                                       ` Richard D Riehle
1998-09-02  0:00                                                         ` Robert I. Eachus
1998-09-02  0:00                                                     ` Tom Moran
1998-09-02  0:00                                                       ` Matthew Heaney
1998-09-02  0:00                                                       ` Richard D Riehle
1998-09-02  0:00                                                         ` Tom Moran
1998-09-03  0:00                                                           ` Richard D Riehle
1998-09-03  0:00                                                         ` Expressive Case Statements (long source) Tom Moran
1998-09-02  0:00                                                     ` Expressive Case Statements (was: Software landmines) Tom Moran
1998-09-01  0:00                                               ` Software landmines (loops) Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-01  0:00                                                 ` Matthew Heaney
1998-09-01  0:00                                                   ` James Weirich
1998-09-01  0:00                                                     ` Mike Spille
1998-09-02  0:00                                                       ` Nick Leaton
1998-09-02  0:00                                                   ` Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-01  0:00                                                     ` Darren New
1998-09-02  0:00                                                       ` Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-02  0:00                                                         ` Matthew Heaney
1998-09-02  0:00                                                           ` Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-01  0:00                                                     ` John Volan
1998-09-01  0:00                                                     ` John Volan
1998-09-01  0:00                                                       ` Robert Martin
1998-09-02  0:00                                                       ` Nick Leaton
1998-09-02  0:00                                                       ` Chris Saunders
1998-09-02  0:00                                                     ` Matthew Heaney
1998-09-02  0:00                                                       ` Tim McDermott
1998-09-03  0:00                                                         ` Matthew Heaney
1998-09-02  0:00                                                       ` Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-03  0:00                                                       ` Joe Gamache
1998-09-04  0:00                                                         ` Charles Hixson
1998-09-05  0:00                                                           ` Patrick Logan
1998-09-05  0:00                                                             ` Charles Hixson
1998-09-04  0:00                                                 ` Charles Hixson
1998-09-05  0:00                                                   ` Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-04  0:00                                               ` Jean-Marc Jezequel
1998-09-04  0:00                                                 ` Richard Melvin
1998-09-07  0:00                                                   ` Jean-Marc Jezequel
1998-09-01  0:00                                         ` dewarr
     [not found]                                     ` <35f51e53.48044143@news.erols.c <m3af4mq7f4.fsf@mheaney.ni.net>
1998-08-31  0:00                                       ` Patrick Doyle
1998-08-31  0:00                                         ` Gene Gajewski
1998-08-31  0:00                                         ` Richard D Riehle
1998-09-01  0:00                                           ` Simon Wright
1998-09-02  0:00                                           ` adam
1998-09-01  0:00                                         ` Matthew Heaney
1998-08-31  0:00                                     ` Ell
1998-08-31  0:00                                       ` Robert Martin
1998-08-31  0:00                                         ` Jeffrey C. Dege
1998-08-31  0:00                                           ` Ell
1998-08-31  0:00                                             ` Jeffrey C. Dege
1998-08-31  0:00                                           ` Ell
1998-08-31  0:00                                             ` Gene Gajewski
1998-08-31  0:00                                         ` Stephen Leake
1998-08-31  0:00                                           ` Robert Martin
1998-08-31  0:00                                             ` Agent
1998-09-01  0:00                                               ` Ell
1998-08-31  0:00                                                 ` Robert Martin
1998-09-01  0:00                                                   ` dennison
1998-09-01  0:00                                                     ` Robert Martin
1998-09-02  0:00                                                       ` Andrew Reilly
1998-09-01  0:00                                                         ` Robert Martin
1998-09-02  0:00                                                           ` dennison
1998-09-01  0:00                                                   ` Tim Ottinger
1998-09-01  0:00                                                     ` Robert Martin
     [not found]                                                 ` <6sfqul$ggg$1@hirame. <6sidsq$e6c$1@hirame.wwa.com>
1998-09-03  0:00                                                   ` Patrick Doyle
1998-09-03  0:00                                                     ` Charles Hixson
1998-09-03  0:00                                                       ` John G. Volan
1998-09-01  0:00                                             ` Matthew Heaney
1998-09-01  0:00                                             ` Phil Goodwin
1998-09-01  0:00                                               ` Robert Martin
1998-09-02  0:00                                                 ` Ell
1998-09-01  0:00                                                   ` Robert Martin
1998-09-02  0:00                                                     ` Richard Melvin
1998-09-02  0:00                                                     ` Matthew Heaney
1998-09-02  0:00                                                       ` Robert Martin
1998-09-02  0:00                                                         ` Matthew Heaney
1998-09-02  0:00                                                         ` Richard Melvin
1998-09-02  0:00                                                           ` Tim Ottinger
1998-09-02  0:00                                                     ` Richard MacDonald (dogmat)
1998-09-03  0:00                                                       ` Matthew Heaney
1998-09-02  0:00                                                     ` dennison
1998-09-03  0:00                                                     ` mfinney
     [not found]                                                     ` <gio+van+no+ni+8-0309982244140001@dialup62.tlh.talstar.com>
1998-09-04  0:00                                                       ` Ell
     [not found]                                                 ` <gio+van+no+ni+8-0309982225160001@dialup62.tlh.talstar.com>
1998-09-15  0:00                                                   ` mfinney
1998-10-01  0:00                                             ` Charles H. Sampson
1998-10-02  0:00                                               ` Robert C. Martin
1998-10-02  0:00                                                 ` Ell
1998-10-03  0:00                                                   ` Ell
1998-10-03  0:00                                                     ` Ell
1998-10-02  0:00                                                 ` Charles H. Sampson
1998-10-03  0:00                                                   ` Reimer Behrends
1998-10-04  0:00                                                     ` Charles H. Sampson
1998-10-05  0:00                                                       ` Reimer Behrends
1998-10-05  0:00                                                         ` Patrick Logan
1998-10-06  0:00                                                         ` Charles H. Sampson
1998-10-11  0:00                                                           ` Reimer Behrends
1998-10-02  0:00                                                 ` John I. Moore, Jr.
1998-10-02  0:00                                                   ` Ell
1998-10-03  0:00                                                   ` Robert C. Martin
1998-10-03  0:00                                                     ` John I. Moore, Jr.
1998-10-05  0:00                                                       ` Robert C. Martin
1998-10-06  0:00                                                       ` Matt Kennel
1998-10-06  0:00                                                         ` Ell
1998-10-03  0:00                                                     ` Richard D Riehle
1998-10-03  0:00                                                     ` Ell
1998-10-05  0:00                                                     ` dewarr
1998-10-04  0:00                                                       ` Robert C. Martin
1998-10-05  0:00                                                         ` Ell
1998-10-05  0:00                                                           ` Ell
1998-10-05  0:00                                                         ` Ell
1998-10-09  0:00                                                     ` Matthew Heaney
1998-10-09  0:00                                                       ` Ell
1998-10-03  0:00                                                   ` John Goodsen
1998-10-05  0:00                                                 ` Graham Perkins
1998-10-08  0:00                                                   ` s350817
1998-10-09  0:00                                                 ` Matthew Heaney
1998-10-02  0:00                                               ` Ell
1998-08-31  0:00                                         ` Matthew Heaney
1998-08-31  0:00                                           ` Ell
1998-08-31  0:00                                             ` Robert Martin
1998-08-31  0:00                                               ` Ell
1998-08-31  0:00                                                 ` Robert Martin
1998-09-03  0:00                                                   ` Steven Perryman
1998-09-01  0:00                                                 ` Charles Hixson
1998-08-31  0:00                                             ` Phlip
1998-08-31  0:00                                               ` Robert Martin
1998-08-31  0:00                                           ` Gene Gajewski
1998-08-31  0:00                                           ` Patrick Logan
1998-09-01  0:00                                             ` dewarr
1998-09-01  0:00                                       ` Charles Hixson
     [not found]                                     ` <35f51e53.48044143@ <904556531.666222@miso.it.uq.edu.au>
1998-09-01  0:00                                       ` Gerry Quinn
1998-09-01  0:00                                         ` Robert Martin
1998-09-01  0:00                                           ` Gerry Quinn
1998-09-01  0:00                                             ` Robert Martin
1998-09-02  0:00                                               ` Gerry Quinn
1998-09-02  0:00                                                 ` Robert Martin
1998-09-02  0:00                                                   ` Ell
1998-09-04  0:00                                                     ` Andre Tibben
1998-09-04  0:00                                                       ` Patrick Doyle
1998-09-02  0:00                                                   ` Gerry Quinn
1998-09-02  0:00                                                     ` Robert Martin
1998-09-03  0:00                                                       ` sureshvv
1998-09-03  0:00                                                         ` Robert Martin
1998-09-03  0:00                                                           ` Mike Spille
1998-09-03  0:00                                                             ` Robert Martin
1998-09-03  0:00                                                               ` Mike Spille
1998-09-03  0:00                                                                 ` Robert Martin
1998-09-04  0:00                                                                 ` sureshvv
1998-09-04  0:00                                                                   ` Robert Martin
1998-09-04  0:00                                                                     ` Mike Spille
1998-09-05  0:00                                                                       ` Ell
1998-09-05  0:00                                                                         ` Moderators for life (was: Re: Software landmines) Martijn Meijering
1998-09-05  0:00                                                                           ` Thaddeus L. Olczyk
1998-09-06  0:00                                                                           ` Moderators for life Ell
1998-09-04  0:00                                                               ` Software landmines (loops) Ray Blaak
1998-09-06  0:00                                                                 ` Charles Hixson
1998-09-06  0:00                                                                   ` Robert Martin
1998-09-07  0:00                                                                     ` Patrick Logan
1998-09-04  0:00                                                               ` Gerry Quinn
     [not found]                                                               ` <EyyLos.2nx@yc.estec.esa.nl>
1998-09-08  0:00                                                                 ` Robert Martin
1998-09-08  0:00                                                                 ` John G. Volan
1998-09-08  0:00                                                                   ` duncan
1998-09-08  0:00                                                                     ` Patrick Doyle
1998-09-06  0:00                                                           ` Charles Hixson
1998-09-06  0:00                                                             ` Robert Martin
1998-09-06  0:00                                                               ` Charles Hixson
1998-09-09  0:00                                                               ` sureshvv
1998-09-03  0:00                                                         ` Patrick Logan
1998-09-04  0:00                                                           ` Matthew Heaney
1998-09-03  0:00                                                       ` Ell
1998-09-04  0:00                                                         ` Ell
1998-09-03  0:00                                                           ` Robert Martin
1998-09-04  0:00                                                             ` Ell
1998-09-04  0:00                                                               ` Robert Martin
1998-09-05  0:00                                                                 ` Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-04  0:00                                                                   ` Ell
1998-09-05  0:00                                                                     ` Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-04  0:00                                                               ` Patrick Doyle
1998-09-05  0:00                                                                 ` Ell
1998-09-05  0:00                                                                   ` Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-05  0:00                                                                     ` Robert Martin
1998-09-06  0:00                                                                       ` Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-05  0:00                                                                         ` Robert Martin
1998-09-06  0:00                                                                           ` Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-05  0:00                                                                   ` Jeffrey C. Dege
1998-09-05  0:00                                                                     ` Matthew Heaney
1998-09-05  0:00                                                                       ` Robert Martin
1998-09-05  0:00                                                                       ` Matthew Heaney
1998-09-05  0:00                                                                         ` Robert Martin
1998-09-06  0:00                                                                           ` Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-05  0:00                                                                             ` Robert Martin
1998-09-06  0:00                                                                               ` Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-06  0:00                                                                                 ` Charles Hixson
1998-09-06  0:00                                                                                   ` Patrick Doyle
1998-09-07  0:00                                                                                 ` Ray Gardner
1998-09-07  0:00                                                                                   ` Patrick Logan
1998-09-08  0:00                                                                         ` Tim McDermott
1998-09-08  0:00                                                                           ` Patrick Doyle
1998-09-08  0:00                                                                             ` Patrick Logan
1998-09-17  0:00                                                                           ` Matthew Heaney
1998-09-09  0:00                                                                       ` Tim Ottinger
1998-09-17  0:00                                                                         ` Matthew Heaney
1998-09-16  0:00                                                                           ` Tim Ottinger
1998-09-17  0:00                                                                             ` [WAYRTW?] (was: Re: Software landmines (loops)) Zane Lewkowicz
1998-09-17  0:00                                                                               ` Biju Thomas
1998-09-18  0:00                                                                               ` L. Darrell Ray
     [not found]                                                     ` <6skqf3$ <35F0B5B0.8E2D0166@s054.aone.net.au>
1998-09-06  0:00                                                       ` Software landmines (loops) Will Rose
1998-09-06  0:00                                                         ` Ell
1998-09-06  0:00                                                           ` Jeffrey C. Dege
1998-09-01  0:00                                           ` Mike Spille
1998-09-01  0:00                                             ` Robert Martin
     [not found]                                               ` <gio+van+no+ni+8-0309982212300001@dialup62.tlh.talstar.com>
1998-09-04  0:00                                                 ` Robert I. Eachus
     [not found]                                                   ` <gio+van+no+ni+8-0809981840170001@dialup75.tlh.talstar.com>
1998-09-09  0:00                                                     ` Nick Leaton
     [not found]                                                       ` <gio+van+no+ni+8-1609980026290001@dialup26.tlh.talstar.com>
1998-09-16  0:00                                                         ` Nick Leaton
1998-09-02  0:00                                           ` mfinney
1998-09-02  0:00                                             ` Ell
1998-09-02  0:00                                               ` Robert Oliver
1998-09-02  0:00                                                 ` Ell
1998-09-02  0:00                                                   ` Robert Oliver
1998-09-02  0:00                                                     ` Robert Martin
1998-09-03  0:00                                                       ` sureshvv
1998-09-03  0:00                                                         ` Patrick Logan
1998-09-06  0:00                                                       ` Charles Hixson
1998-09-07  0:00                                                         ` Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-03  0:00                                                     ` Ell
1998-09-03  0:00                                                       ` Jeffrey C. Dege
1998-09-02  0:00                                                 ` Matthew Heaney
1998-09-02  0:00                                                 ` john-clonts
1998-09-02  0:00                                                   ` Robert Martin
1998-09-02  0:00                                                   ` Darren New
1998-09-05  0:00                                               ` Ray Gardner
1998-09-05  0:00                                                 ` Matthew Heaney
1998-09-07  0:00                                                   ` Ray Gardner
1998-09-07  0:00                                                     ` Ell
1998-09-07  0:00                                                       ` Ray Gardner
1998-09-07  0:00                                                         ` Ell
1998-09-07  0:00                                                           ` Ell
1998-09-09  0:00                                                           ` Ray Gardner
1998-09-07  0:00                                                       ` Patrick Doyle
1998-09-07  0:00                                                         ` dewarr
1998-09-07  0:00                                                       ` Ell
1998-09-09  0:00                                                         ` Adrian P. Morgan
1998-09-09  0:00                                                           ` Charles Hixson
1998-09-10  0:00                                                             ` mfinney
     [not found]                                                               ` <gio+van+no+ni+8-1609981736190001@dialup47.tlh.talstar.com>
1998-09-17  0:00                                                                 ` mfinney
1998-09-07  0:00                                                       ` dewarr
1998-09-09  0:00                                                         ` Ray Gardner
1998-09-11  0:00                                                           ` Robert I. Eachus
1998-10-09  0:00                                                     ` Matthew Heaney
     [not found]                                               ` <m31zpq4pim.fsf@mheaney.ni.ne <m3af36wtwh.fsf@mheaney.ni.net>
1998-10-11  0:00                                                 ` Patrick Doyle
1998-09-02  0:00                                             ` john-clonts
1998-09-03  0:00                                               ` mfinney
1998-09-06  0:00                                                 ` Charles Hixson
1998-09-06  0:00                                                   ` mfinney
1998-09-02  0:00                                             ` Ell
1998-09-02  0:00                                             ` Robert Martin
1998-09-02  0:00                                               ` Matthew Heaney
1998-09-02  0:00                                                 ` Robert Martin
1998-09-02  0:00                                                   ` Dan Higdon
1998-09-03  0:00                                                     ` Mid-Loop 'Until' Proposal [was: Software landmines (loops)] John G. Volan
     [not found]                                                       ` <Q7UH1.3152$re2.302134@news.giganews.com>
     [not found]                                                         ` <35F2E055.6922B7EC@earthlink.net>
1998-09-06  0:00                                                           ` John G. Volan
1998-09-02  0:00                                                   ` Software landmines (loops) Matthew Heaney
1998-09-02  0:00                                                     ` Patrick Logan
1998-09-03  0:00                                                       ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
1998-09-03  0:00                                                         ` Patrick Logan
1998-09-03  0:00                                                       ` Matthew Heaney
1998-09-03  0:00                                                         ` Patrick Logan
1998-09-02  0:00                                                     ` Robert Martin
1998-09-03  0:00                                                       ` Matthew Heaney
1998-09-03  0:00                                                         ` Patrick Logan
1998-09-03  0:00                                                           ` Module size (was Re: Software landmines) Jeffrey C. Dege
1998-09-03  0:00                                                             ` Robert Martin
1998-09-04  0:00                                                               ` Martin Tom Brown
1998-09-04  0:00                                                                 ` Christopher P. Gariepy
1998-09-04  0:00                                                                   ` John G. Volan
1998-09-06  0:00                                                                     ` Charles Hixson
1998-09-06  0:00                                                                       ` John G. Volan
1998-09-04  0:00                                                                   ` Ell
1998-09-04  0:00                                                                   ` Robert Martin
1998-09-04  0:00                                                                     ` Pat Rogers
1998-09-05  0:00                                                                       ` Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-04  0:00                                                                         ` Types vs classes (was Re: Module size (was Re: Software landmines)) Pat Rogers
1998-09-05  0:00                                                                           ` Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-07  0:00                                                                             ` Juergen Schlegelmilch
1998-09-07  0:00                                                                               ` Juergen Schlegelmilch
1998-09-05  0:00                                                                       ` Module size (was Re: Software landmines) Ell
1998-09-05  0:00                                                                         ` Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-05  0:00                                                                           ` Robert Martin
1998-09-05  0:00                                                                             ` Jeffrey C. Dege
1998-09-06  0:00                                                                             ` Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-06  0:00                                                                               ` Patrick Doyle
1998-09-08  0:00                                                                                 ` Ken Carpenter
1998-09-08  0:00                                                                                 ` James Weirich
1998-09-05  0:00                                                                           ` Patrick Doyle
1998-09-04  0:00                                                                   ` Emtpy procedures (was Re: Module size (was Re: Software landmines)) Jim Cochrane
1998-09-04  0:00                                                             ` Module size (was Re: Software landmines) John G. Volan
1998-09-04  0:00                                                               ` Patrick Logan
1998-09-05  0:00                                                                 ` Jeffrey C. Dege
1998-09-05  0:00                                                                   ` Patrick Logan
1998-09-05  0:00                                                                     ` Jeffrey C. Dege
1998-09-04  0:00                                                               ` John G. Volan
1998-09-04  0:00                                                             ` Chris Kuan
1998-09-04  0:00                                                               ` Jeffrey C. Dege
1998-09-04  0:00                                                                 ` Chris Kuan
1998-09-03  0:00                                                         ` Software landmines (loops) Robert Martin
1998-09-03  0:00                                                           ` Phil Goodwin
1998-09-04  0:00                                                             ` Matthew Heaney
1998-09-04  0:00                                                               ` Jeffrey C. Dege
1998-09-04  0:00                                                                 ` Patrick Logan
1998-09-04  0:00                                                                 ` Ell
1998-09-04  0:00                                                                   ` Elliot's paranoia (was something relevent once, but no longer) Jeffrey C. Dege
1998-09-03  0:00                                                           ` Software landmines (loops) Biju Thomas
1998-09-04  0:00                                                           ` Ell
1998-09-04  0:00                                                             ` Ell
1998-09-05  0:00                                                             ` Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-06  0:00                                                               ` Charles Hixson
1998-09-07  0:00                                                                 ` Loryn Jenkins
     [not found]                                                             ` <35F074C9.E10C <35F2E907.594CD023@earthlink.net>
1998-09-07  0:00                                                               ` Patrick Doyle
1998-09-10  0:00                                                             ` Tim Ottinger
1998-09-10  0:00                                                               ` dewarr
1998-09-11  0:00                                                                 ` prochak
1998-09-12  0:00                                                                 ` Ell
1998-09-12  0:00                                                                   ` dewarr
1998-09-12  0:00                                                                     ` Charles Hixson
1998-09-13  0:00                                                                       ` dewarr
1998-09-14  0:00                                                                     ` Ell
1998-09-03  0:00                                                         ` Robert Martin
1998-09-02  0:00                                                   ` dennison
1998-09-02  0:00                                               ` Ell
1998-09-02  0:00                                                 ` Patrick Doyle
1998-09-02  0:00                                                 ` adam
1998-09-02  0:00                                                 ` Rick Smith
1998-09-02  0:00                                                   ` Robert I. Eachus
1998-09-02  0:00                                                     ` Patrick Logan
1998-09-03  0:00                                                       ` Robert I. Eachus
1998-09-02  0:00                                                 ` Robert Martin
1998-09-02  0:00                                                   ` Ell
1998-09-02  0:00                                                     ` Robert Martin
1998-09-02  0:00                                                       ` Ell
1998-09-02  0:00                                                     ` Robert Martin
1998-09-02  0:00                                                       ` Ell
1998-09-02  0:00                                                         ` Robert Martin
1998-09-03  0:00                                                           ` Joe Gwinn
1998-09-03  0:00                                                             ` Robert Martin
1998-09-04  0:00                                                               ` Ell
1998-09-04  0:00                                                                 ` Robert Martin
1998-09-04  0:00                                                                   ` Ell
1998-09-04  0:00                                                               ` sureshvv
1998-09-06  0:00                                                             ` Charles Hixson
1998-09-06  0:00                                                               ` Matthew Heaney
1998-09-06  0:00                                                                 ` Robert Martin
1998-09-06  0:00                                                                   ` Ell
1998-09-06  0:00                                                                     ` Jeffrey C. Dege
1998-09-11  0:00                                                                   ` Robert I. Eachus
1998-09-12  0:00                                                                     ` Patrick Logan
1998-09-06  0:00                                                               ` Robert Martin
1998-09-06  0:00                                                                 ` Jeffrey C. Dege
1998-09-06  0:00                                                                   ` Robert Martin
1998-09-08  0:00                                                               ` adam
1998-09-09  0:00                                                                 ` Gerry Quinn
     [not found]                                                                   ` <gio+van+no+ni+8-1609980034390001@dialup26.tlh.talstar.com>
1998-09-16  0:00                                                                     ` Biju Thomas
1998-09-16  0:00                                                                       ` Is there a language that Dijkstra liked? (was: Re: Software landmines (loops)) Rick Smith
1998-09-17  0:00                                                                         ` Markus Kuhn
1998-09-17  0:00                                                                           ` Pat Rogers
1998-09-17  0:00                                                                             ` dewarr
1998-09-17  0:00                                                                             ` David C. Hoos, Sr.
1998-09-21  0:00                                                                             ` Is there a language that Dijkstra liked? Peter Hermann
1998-09-21  0:00                                                                               ` dewarr
1998-09-21  0:00                                                                               ` Pat Rogers
1998-09-17  0:00                                                                           ` Is there a language that Dijkstra liked? (was: Re: Software landmines (loops)) dewarr
1998-09-17  0:00                                                                             ` Biju Thomas
1998-09-18  0:00                                                                               ` dewarr
1998-09-18  0:00                                                                                 ` Markus Kuhn
1998-10-09  0:00                                                                             ` Matthew Heaney
1998-10-09  0:00                                                                               ` Pat Rogers
1998-10-09  0:00                                                                               ` Jay Martin
1998-10-09  0:00                                                                                 ` Pat Rogers
1998-10-10  0:00                                                                                 ` Dave Wood
1998-10-13  0:00                                                                                 ` last.first
1998-10-23  0:00                                                                                   ` Gautier.DeMontmollin
1998-10-23  0:00                                                                                   ` Brian Mueller
1998-10-23  0:00                                                                                     ` College, C, etc. (Was Re: Is there a language that Dijkstra liked?) Darren New
1998-10-23  0:00                                                                                       ` Tom J
1998-10-23  0:00                                                                                         ` K. Mathias
1998-10-24  0:00                                                                                       ` Jerry van Dijk
1998-10-25  0:00                                                                                       ` College, C, etc Frank Sergeant
1998-10-26  0:00                                                                                         ` Darren New
1998-10-29  0:00                                                                                           ` Graham Perkins
1998-10-29  0:00                                                                                             ` Arun Mangalam
1998-10-29  0:00                                                                                             ` Paul A. Howes
1998-10-30  0:00                                                                                               ` Jeffrey C. Dege
1998-10-30  0:00                                                                                                 ` Patrick Logan
1998-10-23  0:00                                                                                     ` Is there a language that Dijkstra liked? (was: Re: Software landmines (loops)) midlamD
1998-10-23  0:00                                                                                       ` Ell
1998-10-23  0:00                                                                                     ` Ell
1998-10-23  0:00                                                                                     ` Arun Mangalam
1998-10-23  0:00                                                                                       ` DPH
1998-10-24  0:00                                                                                         ` Michael Stark
1998-10-24  0:00                                                                                     ` Dave Wood
1998-10-24  0:00                                                                                     ` Ehud Lamm
1998-10-24  0:00                                                                                     ` Dale Stanbrough
1998-10-24  0:00                                                                                     ` Dave Wood
1998-10-24  0:00                                                                                       ` Tucker Taft
1998-10-26  0:00                                                                                     ` Bill Ghrist
1998-10-27  0:00                                                                                       ` Ell
1998-10-27  0:00                                                                                         ` dewarr
     [not found]                                                                                     ` <3 <slrn73ifd1.8ip.jdege@jdege.visi.com>
1998-10-30  0:00                                                                                       ` College, C, etc Tom J
1998-10-11  0:00                                                                               ` Bertrand Meyer [this message]
1998-10-12  0:00                                                                                 ` Is there a language that Dijkstra liked? (was: Re: Software landmines (loops)) Rod Chapman
1998-10-12  0:00                                                                                 ` Pat Rogers
1998-10-13  0:00                                                                                 ` Robert I. Eachus
1998-09-18  0:00                                                                           ` bengt
1998-09-17  0:00                                                                       ` Software landmines (loops) dewarr
1998-09-18  0:00                                                                         ` Ell
1998-09-17  0:00                                                                       ` Gerry Quinn
1998-09-17  0:00                                                                         ` dewarr
1998-09-18  0:00                                                                           ` Gerry Quinn
1998-09-18  0:00                                                                             ` Biju Thomas
1998-09-18  0:00                                                                               ` Robert C. Martin
1998-09-19  0:00                                                                                 ` Rick Smith
1998-09-19  0:00                                                                               ` Ell
1998-09-19  0:00                                                                               ` dewarr
1998-09-21  0:00                                                                                 ` Richard D Riehle
1998-09-19  0:00                                                                             ` dewarr
1998-09-11  0:00                                                                 ` spaghetti code(was Re: Software landmines (loops)) Joe Chacko
     [not found]                                                                   ` <01bddfb7$f3eac320$ca3aea9e@tom>
1998-09-15  0:00                                                                     ` prochak
1998-09-03  0:00                                                       ` Software landmines (loops) Malcolm Steel
     [not found]                                                       ` <o1fH1.543$495.1 <gwinn-0309982042490001@d8.dial-4.cmb.ma.ultra.net>
1998-09-04  0:00                                                         ` Samuel Mize
1998-09-04  0:00                                                           ` Ell
1998-09-05  0:00                                                           ` Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-09  0:00                                                             ` Samuel Mize
1998-09-09  0:00                                                               ` sureshvv
1998-09-10  0:00                                                                 ` prochak
1998-09-11  0:00                                                                   ` Patrick Doyle
1998-09-17  0:00                                                                 ` Matthew Heaney
1998-09-10  0:00                                                               ` Tim Ottinger
     [not found]                                                                 ` <01bddccc$98b2dda0$ca3aea9e@tom>
1998-09-10  0:00                                                                   ` Tim Ottinger
1998-09-11  0:00                                                             ` Robert I. Eachus
1998-09-12  0:00                                                               ` Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-11  0:00                                                                 ` alan walkington
1998-09-12  0:00                                                                   ` Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-17  0:00                                                                 ` Linguistic invention (was Re: Software landmines (loops)) Robert I. Eachus
1998-09-18  0:00                                                                   ` Ell
1998-10-09  0:00                                                       ` Is there a language that Dijkstra liked? (was: " Gautier.DeMontmollin
     [not found]                                                     ` <6sjnlu$83l$1@hirame.wwa.c <35EE5F67.80D@gecm.com>
1998-09-03  0:00                                                       ` Software landmines (loops) Patrick Doyle
1998-09-02  0:00                                                   ` Ell
1998-09-03  0:00                                                     ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
1998-09-03  0:00                                                       ` Ell
1998-09-03  0:00                                                         ` Patrick Doyle
1998-09-03  0:00                                                         ` Martin Tom Brown
1998-09-02  0:00                                               ` adam
1998-09-02  0:00                                               ` Phil Goodwin
1998-09-02  0:00                                               ` adam
1998-09-02  0:00                                                 ` Robert Martin
1998-09-02  0:00                                                   ` Mike Spille
1998-09-03  0:00                                                   ` Gerry Quinn
1998-09-03  0:00                                                   ` Richard MacDonald
1998-09-06  0:00                                                 ` Charles Hixson
     [not found]                                               ` <gio+van+no+ni+8-0309982311220001@dialup62.tlh.talstar.com>
1998-09-03  0:00                                                 ` Robert Martin
1998-09-03  0:00                                               ` mfinney
1998-09-03  0:00                                                 ` Robert Martin
1998-09-02  0:00                                           ` Gene Gajewski
1998-09-03  0:00                                     ` Expressive Case Statements (was: Software landmines) Fergus Henderson
1998-09-09  0:00                                     ` Software landmines (loops) Jonas M�ls�
     [not found]                                     ` <35f51e53.48044143@ <6t6l4n$rep@jbm.nada.kth.se>
1998-09-10  0:00                                       ` Mats Weber
1998-09-17  0:00                                       ` Matthew Heaney
     [not found]                                 ` <m3ogt3qgca.fsf@mheaney.ni.n <1dghyt5.oik1lzhxzf2N@n207167116176.inetworld.net>
1998-10-10  0:00                                   ` Patrick Doyle
1998-10-12  0:00                                     ` Charles H. Sampson
1998-10-13  0:00                                       ` Matthew Heaney
1998-10-14  0:00                                       ` Graham Perkins
1998-10-15  0:00                                         ` Reimer Behrends
1998-10-15  0:00                                           ` dewarr
1998-10-15  0:00                                       ` Indicators of program quality? (was Re: Software landmines) Jeffrey C. Dege
     [not found]                               ` <m33eagru5g.fsf@mheaney.ni.net>
1998-08-31  0:00                                 ` Software landmines (was: Why C++ is successful) Frank Adrian
1998-08-31  0:00                                   ` Robert I. Eachus
1998-08-31  0:00                                     ` Biju Thomas
1998-08-31  0:00                                       ` Robert Martin
1998-09-01  0:00                                         ` Martin Dowie
1998-09-01  0:00                                       ` Robert I. Eachus
1998-09-02  0:00                                         ` dennison
1998-09-01  0:00                                   ` dewarr
1998-09-06  0:00                                 ` Jonathan Guthrie
1998-08-20  0:00                           ` Ell
1998-08-20  0:00                             ` Structured programming (Re: Software landmines (was: Why C++ is successful)) Darren New
1998-08-21  0:00                               ` Gene Gajewski
1998-08-21  0:00                             ` Software landmines (was: Why C++ is successful) Ell
1998-08-21  0:00                               ` Larry Brasfield
1998-08-21  0:00                                 ` Ell
1998-08-21  0:00                                 ` Jeffrey C. Dege
1998-08-20  0:00                                   ` Phlip
1998-08-21  0:00                                   ` Larry Brasfield
     [not found]                                   ` <DOSXjHE9T6DM9Jw9nAyaPxfz@news.rdc1.bc.wave.home.com>
1998-08-22  0:00                                     ` dewar
1998-08-24  0:00                                       ` Martin Dowie
1998-08-24  0:00                                         ` Martin Dowie
1998-08-24  0:00                                           ` Mark A Biggar
1998-08-25  0:00                                             ` Martin Dowie
1998-08-25  0:00                                               ` Mark A Biggar
1998-08-26  0:00                                                 ` Martin Dowie
1998-08-25  0:00                                         ` adam
1998-08-24  0:00                                       ` dennison
1998-08-28  0:00                                         ` Matthew Heaney
1998-08-28  0:00                                           ` dennison
1998-08-30  0:00                                             ` Matthew Heaney
1998-09-06  0:00                                               ` John G. Volan
1998-08-31  0:00                                             ` Robert I. Eachus
1998-09-22  0:00                                       ` Charles H. Sampson
1998-08-21  0:00                                 ` Bob Collins
1998-08-21  0:00                               ` John Goodsen
1998-08-21  0:00                                 ` Ell
1998-08-21  0:00                                   ` Ell
     [not found]                           ` <l5HC1.6840$wN.18 <35F238F7.F57D3EC7@earthlink.net>
1998-09-06  0:00                             ` Software landmines (loops) Patrick Doyle
1998-10-21  0:00                           ` Is there a language that Dijkstra liked? (was: Re: Software landmines (loops)) Van Snyder
1998-10-22  0:00                             ` biocyn
1998-10-26  0:00                               ` Ehud Lamm
1998-10-26  0:00                                 ` Tucker Taft
1998-10-26  0:00                                   ` dennison
1998-10-26  0:00                                     ` Ehud Lamm
1998-10-26  0:00                                       ` Pat Rogers
1998-10-27  0:00                                       ` dennison
1998-10-27  0:00                                     ` bill
1998-10-27  0:00                                     ` Dave Wood
1998-10-28  0:00                                       ` norm
1998-10-27  0:00                                 ` dewarr
1998-10-27  0:00                                   ` Ehud Lamm
1998-11-04  0:00                                   ` business for students Domenico Bisignano
1998-08-19  0:00                         ` Software landmines (was: Why C++ is successful) Charles Hixson
1998-08-20  0:00                         ` Gerry Quinn
1998-08-16  0:00                   ` Jay Martin
1998-08-17  0:00                     ` Robert Dewar
1998-08-11  0:00           ` Why C++ is successful stilcom
1998-08-11  0:00             ` Microsoft Authors [was Re: Why C++ is successful] john-clonts
1998-08-11  0:00               ` dennison
1998-08-11  0:00                 ` John Weiss
1998-08-12  0:00             ` Why C++ is successful Jeffrey C. Dege
1998-08-12  0:00               ` Andrew Koenig
1998-08-12  0:00               ` Code Complete (Was: Re: Why C++ is successful) Chris Kuan
1998-08-14  0:00               ` Why C++ is successful Stefan Tilkov
     [not found]           ` <35f51e53.48044143@ <m3af4mq7f4 <m31zpxqutn.fsf@mheaney.ni.net>
1998-08-31  0:00             ` Software landmines (loops) Jim Cochrane
1998-09-01  0:00               ` Matthew Heaney
1998-09-02  0:00                 ` Jim Cochrane
1998-09-02  0:00                   ` Richard Melvin
1998-09-03  0:00                     ` Jim Cochrane
1998-09-03  0:00                   ` Robert I. Eachus
1998-09-01  0:00               ` Matthew Heaney
     [not found]           ` <35f51e53.48044143@ <m3af4mq7f4 <35EC1590.D50DB8F6@tisny.com>
1998-09-01  0:00             ` Patrick Doyle
     [not found]           ` <35f51e53.48044143@ <m3af4mq7f4 <6sjms6$7c4$1@hirame.wwa.com>
1998-09-02  0:00             ` Patrick Doyle
1998-09-02  0:00               ` Robert Martin
1998-09-02  0:00                 ` Patrick Logan
1998-09-02  0:00                   ` Robert Martin
1998-09-04  0:00                     ` Patrick Logan
1998-09-02  0:00               ` Patrick Logan
1998-09-02  0:00                 ` Patrick Doyle
1998-09-02  0:00                   ` Robert Martin
1998-09-03  0:00                   ` Patrick Logan
1998-09-03  0:00               ` Matthew Heaney
1998-09-03  0:00                 ` Robert Martin
1998-09-03  0:00                   ` Patrick Logan
1998-09-03  0:00               ` mfinney
1998-09-03  0:00                 ` Patrick Doyle
     [not found]           ` <35f51e53.48044143@ <m3af4mq7f4 <6shhg4$llp$1@hirame.wwa.com>
1998-09-02  0:00             ` Jim Cochrane
     [not found]           ` <35f51e53.48044143@ <m3af4mq7f4 <m3zpck79xp.fsf@mheaney.ni.net>
1998-09-02  0:00             ` Patrick Doyle
     [not found]           ` <35f51e53.48044143@ <m3af4mq7f4 <6shunm$47g$1@hirame.wwa.com>
1998-09-02  0:00             ` David E. Wallace
     [not found]           ` <35f51e53.48044143@ <m3af4mq7f4 <35EDC648.76F03F32@draper.com>
1998-09-03  0:00             ` Patrick Doyle
1998-09-03  0:00               ` Martin Tom Brown
1998-09-03  0:00               ` Tim McDermott
1998-09-04  0:00                 ` Patrick Doyle
1998-09-04  0:00                 ` Matthew Heaney
1998-09-04  0:00                   ` Patrick Doyle
1998-09-08  0:00                   ` Tim McDermott
1998-09-17  0:00                     ` Matthew Heaney
1998-09-17  0:00                       ` Reimer Behrends
1998-09-18  0:00                       ` Robert I. Eachus
1998-09-18  0:00                         ` Jeffrey C. Dege
     [not found]           ` <35f51e53.48044143@ <904556531. <m3lno372be.fsf@mheaney.ni.net>
1998-09-03  0:00             ` Patrick Doyle
1998-09-03  0:00               ` Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-03  0:00             ` Patrick Doyle
     [not found]           ` <35f51e53.48044143@ <m3af4mq7f4 <35EC937F.94420C51@ibm.net>
1998-09-07  0:00             ` Michael F Brenner
     [not found]           ` <35f51e53.48044143@ <m3af4mq7f4 <35F09429.1A7CD250@easystreet.com>
1998-09-07  0:00             ` Expressive Case Statements (was: Software landmines) Michael F Brenner
     [not found]           ` <35f51e53.480<904556531.666222@ <6t42kg$son$1@hirame.wwa.com>
1998-09-08  0:00             ` Software landmines (loops) Patrick Doyle
     [not found]           ` <35f51e53.480 <904556531.66622 <EyyLos.2nx@yc.estec.esa.nl>
1998-09-08  0:00             ` Jim Cochrane
1998-09-09  0:00               ` Charles Hixson
1998-09-10  0:00                 ` Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-17  0:00                 ` Matthew Heaney
1998-09-09  0:00               ` duncan
1998-09-11  0:00                 ` Jim Cochrane
1998-09-11  0:00                   ` duncan
1998-09-08  0:00             ` duncan
1998-09-16  0:00               ` Matthew Heaney
1998-09-17  0:00                 ` Reimer Behrends
1998-09-17  0:00                   ` Ell
1998-08-08  0:00         ` Why C++ is successful Phlip
1998-08-08  0:00       ` Dale Stanbrough
1998-08-07  0:00 ` Jason Stokes
1998-08-08  0:00   ` Robert Dewar
1998-08-10  0:00     ` Robert I. Eachus
1998-08-11  0:00     ` n
1998-08-12  0:00       ` Why C++ is successful? Robert I. Eachus
1998-08-12  0:00         ` Joe Gwinn
1998-08-13  0:00           ` Larry Kilgallen
1998-08-14  0:00           ` Robert Dewar
1998-08-14  0:00             ` nasser
1998-08-16  0:00               ` Chris Morgan
1998-08-17  0:00               ` asilvant
1998-08-14  0:00             ` Bob Munck
1998-08-16  0:00               ` Robert Dewar
1998-08-17  0:00             ` Robert I. Eachus
1998-08-13  0:00         ` Bob Munck
1998-08-14  0:00       ` Why C++ is successful Robert Dewar
     [not found]         ` <35D455AC.9225EAA7@hercii.mar.lmco.com>
1998-08-14  0:00           ` Robert L. Spooner
1998-08-10  0:00   ` Darren New
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1998-10-14  0:00 Is there a language that Dijkstra liked? (was: Re: Software landmines (loops)) R. Kerr
1998-10-14  0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1998-10-14  0:00   ` R. Kerr
1998-10-28  0:00 John Woodruff
1998-10-28  0:00 ` Pat Rogers
1998-10-29  0:00   ` Ehud Lamm
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