From: rfkat@ibm.net (Rolf F. Katzenberger)
Subject: Re: RFD: comp.object.moderated moderated
Date: 1998/09/08
Date: 1998-09-08T00:00:00+00:00 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <35f53a14.0@news2.ibm.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 6t0rgi$ms4$1@hirame.wwa.com
On Mon, 7 Sep 1998 09:33:05 -0500, in article
<6t0rgi$ms4$1@hirame.wwa.com> "Robert Martin" <rmartin@oma.com> wrote:
>
> Rolf F. Katzenberger wrote in message <35f3da26.0@news2.ibm.net>...
> >On Sun, 06 Sep 1998 19:29:56 GMT, in article
> ><UoBI1.1872$vl.771620959@newsreader.digex.net> Ell
> ><ell@access2.digex.net> wrote:
>
> >> Also Otttinger says above:
> >> :> >and in some cases fear of reprisal.
> >>
> >> The implication of physical threats is not absent from this. And I think
> >> its purpose is to bogusly establish some nebulous possible physical
> >> threat in people's minds. I have seen nothing of the sort.
> >
> >I haven't seen anything of the sort, too.
>
> I have. How about this one:
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Author: Ell
> Email: ell@access.digex.net
> Date: 1998/06/17
> Forums: comp.object
> Message-ID: <358b04ea.1529278@news.erols.com>
> Organization: Universe
> References: <6m2abn$kef$1@news.interlog.com> <6m35i5$ca4$1@hirame.wwa.com>
> <35870B95.925FFB22@palladion.com> <3588e518.14231523@news.erols.com>
> <6m8f28$am9$1@hirame.wwa.com>
> Reply-To: ell@access.digex.net
> X-Complaints-To: abuse@erols.com
> X-Trace: winter.news.erols.com 898124862 10511 207.172.87.200 (17 Jun 1998
> 23:07:43 GMT)
>
> "Robert Martin" <rmartin@oma.com> wrote:
>
> >As for the rest of Elliott's article, well (Reaganesque chuckle),
> >who really cares? Readers are welcome to peruse the articles
> >on my website to see if they draw the same conclusions that
> >Elliott does.
>
> The ones who care Ronny are the ones who will make you pay for your
> backward, reactionary crimes against human progress.
>
> Elliott
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> I saw enough of a personal threat in this particular post to make sure that
> my lawyer had a copy.
My personal opinion, not as a candidate moderator but simply as a c.o.
reader: I considered the above posting extremely rude and at the same
time extremely infantile when I came across it. In my impression it
was void of any reasonable thinking, but if its author would have
taken action, I would rather have expected a smear campaign than a
physical assault. In any case, the intention of the phrase is
intimidation.
I did not trace the message back, so I don't know where exactly the
flaming started in that thread and where exactly the moderators would
have taken action in a supposed c.o.m., so that probably the article
quoted above would never have been written.
However, neither the article above nor the one it quotes would have
passed moderation seen *in isolation*.
"As for the rest of Elliott's article, well (Reaganesque chuckle), who
really cares?" would have been rejected because it violates NO FLAMES
c) (No disdainful or belittling articles are tolerated).
"The ones who care Ronny are the ones who will make you pay for your
backward, reactionary crimes against human progress." would have been
rejected because "will make you pay" violates NO FLAMES a) (No threats
or attempts at intimidation are tolerated) and "your backward,
reactionary crimes against human progress" violates NO FLAMES d)
(Questioning of other people's motives and honesty).
Just to make one point clear: any regular on Usenet will lose his or
her innocence with respect to netiquette at some point in time. E.g.
the most recent (just the most recent, not the only one!) example by
me would be my classification of Jacobson's view on reality as
"old-fashioned"; my fellow moderators would surely have rejected that
as a violation of NO FLAMES c), or d) or both.
So the moderation policy must never be concerned with people, but with
postings.
Regards,
Rolf
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Thread overview: 70+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
1998-08-27 0:00 RFD: comp.object.moderated moderated Tim Ottinger
[not found] ` <H5oH1.634$495.190709860@newsreader.digex.net>
[not found] ` <35ee6ccb.0@news2.ibm.net>
1998-09-06 0:00 ` Ell
1998-09-07 0:00 ` Rolf F. Katzenberger
1998-09-07 0:00 ` Charles Hixson
1998-09-08 0:00 ` Tim Ottinger
1998-09-17 0:00 ` Tim Ottinger
1998-09-07 0:00 ` Robert Martin
1998-09-08 0:00 ` Rolf F. Katzenberger [this message]
1998-10-28 0:00 ` CFV: " David Bostwick
1998-11-11 0:00 ` 2nd " David Bostwick
1998-11-14 0:00 ` Patrick Doyle
1998-11-19 0:00 ` RESULT: comp.object.moderated moderated passes 324:24 David Bostwick
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
1998-10-09 0:00 RFD: comp.object.moderated moderated Tim Ottinger
1998-10-13 0:00 ` Ell
1998-10-13 0:00 ` James Robertson
1998-10-13 0:00 ` Ell
1998-10-13 0:00 ` James Robertson
1998-10-14 0:00 ` Michi Henning
1998-10-13 0:00 ` Ell
1998-10-13 0:00 ` Patrick Logan
1998-10-13 0:00 ` Charles Hixson
1998-10-14 0:00 ` Ell
1998-10-14 0:00 ` Ell
1998-10-14 0:00 ` Stephen Crawley
1998-10-14 0:00 ` Ell
1998-10-14 0:00 ` Robert Oliver
1998-10-14 0:00 ` Michi Henning
1998-10-14 0:00 ` Reality is a point of view
1998-10-13 0:00 ` Patrick Logan
1998-10-14 0:00 ` Sven Sass
1998-10-14 0:00 ` Michi Henning
1998-10-13 0:00 ` Ell
1998-10-31 0:00 ` Ell
1999-07-29 0:00 ` Bertrand Meyer
1998-10-11 0:00 ` Phlip
1998-10-11 0:00 ` Joachim Durchholz
1998-10-12 0:00 ` Tim Ottinger
1998-10-12 0:00 ` Patrick May
1998-10-12 0:00 ` Jason Stokes
1998-10-12 0:00 ` Robert C. Martin
1998-10-12 0:00 ` Avner Ben
1998-10-12 0:00 ` Jay Denebeim
1998-10-12 0:00 ` David Franklin Reynolds
1998-10-12 0:00 ` Phlip
1998-10-12 0:00 ` Reality is a point of view
1998-10-12 0:00 ` Robert C. Martin
1998-10-13 0:00 ` Loryn Jenkins
1998-10-15 0:00 ` Patrick Doyle
1998-10-13 0:00 ` Loryn Jenkins
1998-10-12 0:00 ` Tim Ottinger
1998-10-12 0:00 ` Phlip
1998-10-13 0:00 ` Joachim Durchholz
1998-10-14 0:00 ` Patrick Doyle
1999-07-29 0:00 ` David Mescher
1999-07-29 0:00 ` Jeff J. Wilson
1999-07-29 0:00 ` J Durbin
1998-10-13 0:00 ` Mark Bennison
1998-10-13 0:00 ` Ell
1998-10-13 0:00 ` Boris Schaefer
1998-10-13 0:00 ` Patrick Logan
1998-10-13 0:00 ` Reality is a point of view
1998-10-14 0:00 ` Gerhard Menzl
1998-10-16 0:00 ` Patrick Doyle
1998-10-13 0:00 ` Robert C. Martin
1999-07-29 0:00 ` Jay Denebeim
[not found] ` <363314e1.131092310@enews.newsguy.com>
1998-10-14 0:00 ` Phlip
1998-10-14 0:00 ` Boris Schaefer
1998-10-14 0:00 ` Kevin Szabo
1998-10-14 0:00 ` Juergen Schlegelmilch
1999-07-29 0:00 ` Jay Denebeim
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