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From: Jean-Marc Jezequel <Jean-Marc.Jezequel@irisa.fr>
Subject: Re: Software landmines (loops)
Date: 1998/09/04
Date: 1998-09-04T00:00:00+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <35EFD468.BDD7CB0A@irisa.fr> (raw)
In-Reply-To: m3yas4q514.fsf@mheaney.ni.net

IMHO, Dijkstra's point with se/se loops is first on *correctness*, that
is linked with provability. This is the most important thing from a
software engineering point of view. Maintenability comes second.
Readability comes third (but is actualy linked to maintenability).
Easyness of writing comes *last*.
(well, in the real world issues such as efficiency or more often costs
and delay sinterfere at any level in this hierarchy;-). I agree with Bob
Martin's point of view on the role of engineers: making trade-offs).

According to this point of view, the point is not to craft a piece of
code and throw it to the tester in a kind of simulated annealing until
it works. IMHO the professional engineer should design a piece of code
as trivial as a loop *in such a way that it can be proven correct*.
At least one systematic way of doing this have been documented by the
structured programming folks (Dijkstra, Hoare...).
Let me recall it in the context of the current thread on list equality
implemented with a loop:

equal (l,r: LIST): BOOLEAN is
        require l /= Void; r /=Void

This is a six steps process:

1. Design the loop invariant. It should provide a concise and
preferably formal description of the properties of the loop.
But even if it's not formal, it is usefull since it outline the intent.
Here, it is simply that the two list r and l are equal so far (which
could be made more formal saying that foreach i such as
0<i<l.current_index r.item(i) = l.item(i))

[For those who need refreshing on loop invariant:
It is a Boolean expression that must be true on initialization of the
loop variables, maintained with each iteration of the loop, and held to
be true at the termination of the loop. A loop invariant can be used to
reason about the correctness of a loop. see below]

2. Find the termination condition.
Here it is: either we find 2 differing elements or we reach the end of
one of the lists. That is, if Result contains the comparison result:
until not Result or l.off or r.off

So now, if the loop terminates, then the loop invariant is true and the
termination condition holds (by definition), which means that either the
lists are equal or Result=false. This property is called *partial
correctness*. Let us see how to prove total correctness.

Total correctness is just partial correctness {\em and} the proof that
the loop terminates (i.e., the termination condition eventually will 
hold). The idea of a loop variant is to characterize how each iteration
can bring the loop closer to its termination.


3. Find the variant (how the loop can advance toward its
termination).
[A loop variant is a non-negative integer expression that is decreased
by at least one at each iteration. By definition, it cannot go below
zero, thus the number of iterations of a loop with a variant is
bounded and then the loop eventually terminates.]
A suitable variant for this example is:
variant l.count-l.current_index+1

In writing the loop body, we must ensure that it is a strictly
decreasing function that takes non-negative values only.
This proof completes the partial correctness to give
the total correctness of the loop. In other words, the loop terminates
and computes the right result.


4. Write the body of the loop:

4a) First deduce from the variant the progression instruction,
4b) Then write the code corresponding to the restoration of the
invariant.

loop
   Result := l.item /= r.item -- establish invariant
   l.forth; r.forth -- progression for the variant
end

5. Write the initialization part to set up the loop invariant.

Result := True; l.start; r.start

6. Optimize, and/or modify to make it more readable
e.g., initialize Result to something less trivial:

        Result := l.first /= r.first
        from l.start; r.start
	invariant equal_so_far: --foreach i such as 0<i<l.current_index 
					-- r.item(i) = l.item(i)
        variant l.count-l.current_index+1
        until not Result or l.off --r.off omitted since l.off=>r.off
        loop
              Result := l.item /= r.item
              l.forth; r.forth
        end

7. Check your proof. Test (it's as easy to make an error in the proof as
it is in the code. Eiffel helps here by checking invariants and variants
at runtime. But the method is valid and usefull for *any* language).
Ship.

To sum up my point, when there is a documented way of doing something
(here building loops) the engineer should follow it (albeit not blindly:
she must still make appropriate trade-offs). Doing it elseway for no
good reason is not engineering: it is handcrafting (which is not
necessarily pejorative in my mouth).

-- 
Jean-Marc Jezequel               Tel : +33 299 847 192         
IRISA/CNRS                       Fax : +33 299 847 171         
Campus de Beaulieu               e-mail : jezequel@irisa.fr 
F-35042 RENNES (FRANCE)          http://www.irisa.fr/prive/jezequel




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1998-08-06  0:00 Why C++ is successful Robert Dewar
1998-08-07  0:00 ` harald.mueller
1998-08-07  0:00   ` Robert Dewar
1998-08-08  0:00     ` Patrick Logan
1998-08-07  0:00   ` Brian Rogoff
1998-08-07  0:00     ` Timothy Welch
1998-08-08  0:00       ` Robert Dewar
1998-08-08  0:00         ` Phlip
1998-08-08  0:00         ` Larry Elmore
1998-08-08  0:00         ` Jeffrey C. Dege
1998-08-08  0:00           ` Patrick Logan
1998-08-10  0:00           ` Laurent GUERBY
1998-08-12  0:00             ` Andy Ward
1998-08-12  0:00               ` Matt Kennel
1998-08-14  0:00               ` Robert Dewar
1998-08-13  0:00                 ` nasser
1998-08-19  0:00                   ` Don Harrison
1998-08-14  0:00                 ` Patrick Doyle
1998-08-16  0:00                   ` Robert Dewar
1998-08-16  0:00                     ` Patrick Doyle
1998-08-18  0:00                     ` Martin Tom Brown
1998-08-16  0:00                   ` Robert Dewar
1998-08-16  0:00                     ` Patrick Doyle
1998-08-14  0:00                 ` Ell
1998-08-17  0:00                   ` Robert I. Eachus
1998-08-17  0:00                     ` Patrick Logan
1998-08-18  0:00                       ` Samuel Tardieu
1998-08-25  0:00                       ` Optimizing recursion (was Re: Why C++ is successful) Robert I. Eachus
1998-08-25  0:00                         ` Darren New
1998-08-26  0:00                           ` Martin Tom Brown
1998-08-26  0:00                           ` Robert I. Eachus
1998-08-26  0:00                           ` Aaro Koskinen
1998-08-27  0:00                       ` Constants vs Functions (was Re: Optimizing recursion...) Ray Blaak
     [not found]                       ` <EACHUS.98Aug25165110@s <6s43nq$m31$1@berlin.infomatch.com>
1998-08-27  0:00                         ` Robert I. Eachus
1998-08-14  0:00                 ` Why C++ is successful Jean-Pierre Rosen
1998-08-14  0:00                   ` Robert Martin
1998-08-16  0:00                     ` Robert Dewar
1998-08-16  0:00                       ` Robert Martin
1998-08-16  0:00                       ` Rick Smith
1998-08-17  0:00                         ` Robert Dewar
1998-08-17  0:00                           ` Rick Smith
1998-08-15  0:00                   ` Patrick Doyle
1998-08-15  0:00                     ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
1998-08-16  0:00                       ` Patrick Doyle
1998-08-16  0:00                       ` Robert Dewar
1998-08-17  0:00                         ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
1998-08-15  0:00                   ` Mr Ada
1998-08-16  0:00                     ` Robert Dewar
1998-08-16  0:00                   ` Robert Dewar
1998-08-14  0:00                 ` Software landmines (was: Why C++ is successful) dennison
1998-08-15  0:00                   ` Thaddeus L. Olczyk
1998-08-16  0:00                   ` Jay Martin
1998-08-17  0:00                     ` Robert Dewar
1998-08-16  0:00                   ` Robert Dewar
1998-08-17  0:00                     ` dennison
1998-08-18  0:00                       ` adam
1998-08-19  0:00                         ` Tucker Taft
1998-08-19  0:00                           ` adam
1998-08-19  0:00                       ` ell
1998-08-19  0:00                         ` Charles Hixson
1998-08-19  0:00                         ` adam
1998-08-19  0:00                           ` Dan Higdon
1998-08-20  0:00                             ` adam
1998-08-20  0:00                               ` Dan Higdon
1998-08-20  0:00                               ` Software landmines (loops) Nick Leaton
1998-08-30  0:00                                 ` Matthew Heaney
1998-08-30  0:00                                   ` Robert Martin
1998-08-30  0:00                                     ` Charles Hixson
1998-08-31  0:00                                       ` Robert I. Eachus
     [not found]                                     ` <35f51e53.48044143@news.erols.c <m3af4mq7f4.fsf@mheaney.ni.net>
1998-08-31  0:00                                       ` Patrick Doyle
1998-08-31  0:00                                         ` Richard D Riehle
1998-09-01  0:00                                           ` Simon Wright
1998-09-02  0:00                                           ` adam
1998-08-31  0:00                                         ` Gene Gajewski
1998-09-01  0:00                                         ` Matthew Heaney
1998-08-31  0:00                                     ` Ell
1998-08-31  0:00                                       ` Robert Martin
1998-08-31  0:00                                         ` Matthew Heaney
1998-08-31  0:00                                           ` Patrick Logan
1998-09-01  0:00                                             ` dewarr
1998-08-31  0:00                                           ` Ell
1998-08-31  0:00                                             ` Phlip
1998-08-31  0:00                                               ` Robert Martin
1998-08-31  0:00                                             ` Robert Martin
1998-08-31  0:00                                               ` Ell
1998-08-31  0:00                                                 ` Robert Martin
1998-09-03  0:00                                                   ` Steven Perryman
1998-09-01  0:00                                                 ` Charles Hixson
1998-08-31  0:00                                           ` Gene Gajewski
1998-08-31  0:00                                         ` Stephen Leake
1998-08-31  0:00                                           ` Robert Martin
1998-08-31  0:00                                             ` Agent
1998-09-01  0:00                                               ` Ell
1998-08-31  0:00                                                 ` Robert Martin
1998-09-01  0:00                                                   ` dennison
1998-09-01  0:00                                                     ` Robert Martin
1998-09-02  0:00                                                       ` Andrew Reilly
1998-09-01  0:00                                                         ` Robert Martin
1998-09-02  0:00                                                           ` dennison
1998-09-01  0:00                                                   ` Tim Ottinger
1998-09-01  0:00                                                     ` Robert Martin
     [not found]                                                 ` <6sfqul$ggg$1@hirame. <6sidsq$e6c$1@hirame.wwa.com>
1998-09-03  0:00                                                   ` Patrick Doyle
1998-09-03  0:00                                                     ` Charles Hixson
1998-09-03  0:00                                                       ` John G. Volan
1998-09-01  0:00                                             ` Matthew Heaney
1998-09-01  0:00                                             ` Phil Goodwin
1998-09-01  0:00                                               ` Robert Martin
1998-09-02  0:00                                                 ` Ell
1998-09-01  0:00                                                   ` Robert Martin
1998-09-02  0:00                                                     ` Matthew Heaney
1998-09-02  0:00                                                       ` Robert Martin
1998-09-02  0:00                                                         ` Matthew Heaney
1998-09-02  0:00                                                         ` Richard Melvin
1998-09-02  0:00                                                           ` Tim Ottinger
1998-09-02  0:00                                                     ` Richard Melvin
1998-09-02  0:00                                                     ` dennison
1998-09-02  0:00                                                     ` Richard MacDonald (dogmat)
1998-09-03  0:00                                                       ` Matthew Heaney
1998-09-03  0:00                                                     ` mfinney
     [not found]                                                     ` <gio+van+no+ni+8-0309982244140001@dialup62.tlh.talstar.com>
1998-09-04  0:00                                                       ` Ell
     [not found]                                                 ` <gio+van+no+ni+8-0309982225160001@dialup62.tlh.talstar.com>
1998-09-15  0:00                                                   ` mfinney
1998-10-01  0:00                                             ` Charles H. Sampson
1998-10-02  0:00                                               ` Ell
1998-10-02  0:00                                               ` Robert C. Martin
1998-10-02  0:00                                                 ` Ell
1998-10-03  0:00                                                   ` Ell
1998-10-03  0:00                                                     ` Ell
1998-10-02  0:00                                                 ` Charles H. Sampson
1998-10-03  0:00                                                   ` Reimer Behrends
1998-10-04  0:00                                                     ` Charles H. Sampson
1998-10-05  0:00                                                       ` Reimer Behrends
1998-10-05  0:00                                                         ` Patrick Logan
1998-10-06  0:00                                                         ` Charles H. Sampson
1998-10-11  0:00                                                           ` Reimer Behrends
1998-10-02  0:00                                                 ` John I. Moore, Jr.
1998-10-02  0:00                                                   ` Ell
1998-10-03  0:00                                                   ` Robert C. Martin
1998-10-03  0:00                                                     ` John I. Moore, Jr.
1998-10-05  0:00                                                       ` Robert C. Martin
1998-10-06  0:00                                                       ` Matt Kennel
1998-10-06  0:00                                                         ` Ell
1998-10-03  0:00                                                     ` Richard D Riehle
1998-10-03  0:00                                                     ` Ell
1998-10-05  0:00                                                     ` dewarr
1998-10-04  0:00                                                       ` Robert C. Martin
1998-10-05  0:00                                                         ` Ell
1998-10-05  0:00                                                         ` Ell
1998-10-05  0:00                                                           ` Ell
1998-10-09  0:00                                                     ` Matthew Heaney
1998-10-09  0:00                                                       ` Ell
1998-10-03  0:00                                                   ` John Goodsen
1998-10-05  0:00                                                 ` Graham Perkins
1998-10-08  0:00                                                   ` s350817
1998-10-09  0:00                                                 ` Matthew Heaney
1998-08-31  0:00                                         ` Jeffrey C. Dege
1998-08-31  0:00                                           ` Ell
1998-08-31  0:00                                             ` Gene Gajewski
1998-08-31  0:00                                           ` Ell
1998-08-31  0:00                                             ` Jeffrey C. Dege
1998-09-01  0:00                                       ` Charles Hixson
1998-08-31  0:00                                     ` dennison
1998-08-31  0:00                                       ` Robert Martin
1998-09-01  0:00                                         ` Matthew Heaney
1998-09-06  0:00                                           ` Charles Hixson
1998-09-06  0:00                                             ` Matthew Heaney
1998-09-01  0:00                                       ` Andrew Reilly
1998-09-01  0:00                                         ` dewarr
1998-09-01  0:00                                         ` dennison
1998-09-01  0:00                                           ` Which wastes more time? (Was Re: Software landmines (loops)) Robert Huffman
1998-09-02  0:00                                             ` Gerry Quinn
1998-09-02  0:00                                               ` Jerry van Dijk
1998-09-04  0:00                                                 ` Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-04  0:00                                                   ` Ell
1998-09-05  0:00                                                     ` Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-04  0:00                                                       ` Ell
1998-09-05  0:00                                                       ` Ell
1998-09-05  0:00                                                         ` Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-05  0:00                                                           ` Robert Martin
1998-09-06  0:00                                                             ` Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-05  0:00                                                               ` Robert Martin
1998-09-06  0:00                                                                 ` Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-06  0:00                                                                   ` Robert Martin
1998-09-07  0:00                                                                     ` Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-06  0:00                                                                       ` Robert Martin
1998-09-08  0:00                                                                         ` Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-06  0:00                                                               ` Charles Hixson
1998-09-07  0:00                                                                 ` Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-07  0:00                                                               ` Andrew Reilly
1998-09-06  0:00                                                                 ` Biju Thomas
1998-09-08  0:00                                                                 ` Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-09  0:00                                                               ` Paolo F. Cantoni
1998-09-10  0:00                                                                 ` Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-11  0:00                                                                   ` Paolo F. Cantoni
1998-09-12  0:00                                                                     ` Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-05  0:00                                                           ` Patrick Logan
1998-09-09  0:00                                                             ` Paolo F. Cantoni
1998-09-09  0:00                                                               ` Patrick Logan
1998-09-11  0:00                                                                 ` Paolo F. Cantoni
     [not found]                                                       ` <35f48276.90997557@news.erols.com <35F42CAC.6F566DC7@s054.aone.net.au>
1998-09-07  0:00                                                         ` Patrick Doyle
1998-09-08  0:00                                                           ` Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-08  0:00                                                             ` Patrick Doyle
1998-09-09  0:00                                                               ` Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-08  0:00                                                                 ` Patrick Doyle
1998-09-10  0:00                                                                   ` Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-09  0:00                                                                     ` Patrick Doyle
1998-09-11  0:00                                                                       ` Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-11  0:00                                                                       ` Loryn Jenkins
     [not found]                                                       ` <35f48276.90997557@news.erols.com <35F79B59.185AA03E@s054.aone.net.au>
1998-09-11  0:00                                                         ` Jim Cochrane
1998-09-12  0:00                                                           ` Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-12  0:00                                                             ` Jim Cochrane
1998-09-01  0:00                                         ` Software landmines (loops) Matthew Heaney
     [not found]                                     ` <35f51e53.48044143@ <m3af4mq7f4.fsf@mheaney.ni.net>
1998-08-31  0:00                                       ` Andrew Hussey
1998-08-31  0:00                                         ` Matthew Heaney
1998-08-31  0:00                                           ` Tim McDermott
1998-08-31  0:00                                             ` Larry Brasfield
1998-09-01  0:00                                               ` Matthew Heaney
1998-09-01  0:00                                             ` Matthew Heaney
1998-09-01  0:00                                             ` dewar
1998-08-31  0:00                                           ` Robert Martin
1998-08-31  0:00                                             ` Gene Gajewski
1998-09-01  0:00                                             ` Matthew Heaney
1998-08-31  0:00                                               ` Robert Martin
1998-09-01  0:00                                                 ` Gerhard Menzl
1998-09-02  0:00                                                 ` Tres Seaver
1998-09-02  0:00                                                   ` Robert Martin
1998-09-03  0:00                                                     ` sureshvv
1998-09-03  0:00                                                   ` Patrick Logan
1998-09-01  0:00                                             ` Robert I. Eachus
1998-09-01  0:00                                             ` Chris Brand
1998-09-01  0:00                                               ` Robert Martin
1998-09-01  0:00                                                 ` Biju Thomas
1998-09-01  0:00                                                   ` Robert Martin
1998-09-01  0:00                                             ` sureshvv
1998-09-01  0:00                                               ` Robert Martin
1998-09-02  0:00                                                 ` sureshvv
1998-09-02  0:00                                                   ` Robert Martin
1998-09-02  0:00                                                   ` Robert Martin
1998-09-03  0:00                                                     ` Charles Hixson
1998-09-04  0:00                                                       ` adam
1998-09-06  0:00                                                         ` Gerry Quinn
1998-09-04  0:00                                                       ` Patrick Logan
1998-09-04  0:00                                                     ` Rick Smith
1998-09-04  0:00                                                       ` Charles Hixson
1998-09-04  0:00                                                       ` Robert Martin
     [not found]                                                       ` <gio+van+no+ni+8-0809981818260001@dialup75.tlh.talstar.com>
1998-09-08  0:00                                                         ` Mark A Biggar
1998-09-08  0:00                                                         ` Rick Smith
1998-09-08  0:00                                                       ` adam
1998-09-08  0:00                                                         ` Rick Smith
1998-09-01  0:00                                             ` Phil Goodwin
1998-09-01  0:00                                               ` Biju Thomas
1998-09-02  0:00                                                 ` Phil Goodwin
1998-09-02  0:00                                                   ` Robert Martin
1998-09-03  0:00                                                     ` Phil Goodwin
1998-09-03  0:00                                                       ` Robert Martin
1998-09-03  0:00                                               ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
1998-09-01  0:00                                             ` Richard Melvin
1998-09-01  0:00                                               ` Robert Martin
1998-09-02  0:00                                               ` Jim Cochrane
1998-09-02  0:00                                                 ` Richard Melvin
1998-09-02  0:00                                                   ` Jim Cochrane
1998-09-03  0:00                                                     ` Matthew Heaney
1998-09-03  0:00                                                       ` Jim Cochrane
1998-09-03  0:00                                                       ` Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-01  0:00                                           ` Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-01  0:00                                             ` Matthew Heaney
1998-09-01  0:00                                               ` dewarr
1998-09-01  0:00                                                 ` Optimizations (was: Software landmines (loops)) dennison
1998-09-01  0:00                                                   ` Expressive Case Statements (was: Software landmines) Richard D Riehle
1998-09-01  0:00                                                     ` Tucker Taft
1998-09-02  0:00                                                       ` Richard D Riehle
1998-09-01  0:00                                                     ` Robert I. Eachus
1998-09-02  0:00                                                       ` Dr Richard A. O'Keefe
1998-09-02  0:00                                                         ` Robert I. Eachus
1998-09-04  0:00                                                           ` Al Christians
1998-09-02  0:00                                                         ` Richard D Riehle
1998-09-03  0:00                                                           ` Dale Stanbrough
1998-09-04  0:00                                                           ` Al Christians
1998-09-05  0:00                                                             ` Tom Moran
1998-09-02  0:00                                                         ` Matthew Heaney
1998-09-02  0:00                                                       ` Richard D Riehle
1998-09-02  0:00                                                         ` Robert I. Eachus
1998-09-02  0:00                                                     ` Tom Moran
1998-09-02  0:00                                                       ` Matthew Heaney
1998-09-02  0:00                                                       ` Richard D Riehle
1998-09-02  0:00                                                         ` Tom Moran
1998-09-03  0:00                                                           ` Richard D Riehle
1998-09-03  0:00                                                         ` Expressive Case Statements (long source) Tom Moran
1998-09-02  0:00                                                     ` Expressive Case Statements (was: Software landmines) Tom Moran
1998-09-01  0:00                                                 ` Really a U.S. thing? (Was Re: Software landmines (loops)) Brian Rogoff
1998-09-01  0:00                                               ` Software landmines (loops) Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-01  0:00                                                 ` Matthew Heaney
1998-09-01  0:00                                                   ` James Weirich
1998-09-01  0:00                                                     ` Mike Spille
1998-09-02  0:00                                                       ` Nick Leaton
1998-09-02  0:00                                                   ` Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-01  0:00                                                     ` John Volan
1998-09-01  0:00                                                       ` Robert Martin
1998-09-02  0:00                                                       ` Nick Leaton
1998-09-02  0:00                                                       ` Chris Saunders
1998-09-01  0:00                                                     ` Darren New
1998-09-02  0:00                                                       ` Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-02  0:00                                                         ` Matthew Heaney
1998-09-02  0:00                                                           ` Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-01  0:00                                                     ` John Volan
1998-09-02  0:00                                                     ` Matthew Heaney
1998-09-02  0:00                                                       ` Tim McDermott
1998-09-03  0:00                                                         ` Matthew Heaney
1998-09-02  0:00                                                       ` Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-03  0:00                                                       ` Joe Gamache
1998-09-04  0:00                                                         ` Charles Hixson
1998-09-05  0:00                                                           ` Patrick Logan
1998-09-05  0:00                                                             ` Charles Hixson
1998-09-04  0:00                                                 ` Charles Hixson
1998-09-05  0:00                                                   ` Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-04  0:00                                               ` Jean-Marc Jezequel [this message]
1998-09-04  0:00                                                 ` Richard Melvin
1998-09-07  0:00                                                   ` Jean-Marc Jezequel
1998-09-01  0:00                                           ` Don Harrison
1998-08-31  0:00                                         ` Mattias Lundstr�m
1998-08-31  0:00                                           ` Robert Martin
1998-08-31  0:00                                             ` Robert I. Eachus
1998-08-31  0:00                                               ` Robert Martin
1998-09-01  0:00                                                 ` Matthew Heaney
1998-09-01  0:00                                                   ` Stephen Leake
1998-09-01  0:00                                                     ` Robert Martin
1998-09-01  0:00                                               ` Matthew Heaney
1998-09-01  0:00                                             ` Richard Jones
1998-09-02  0:00                                               ` Mattias Lundstr�m
1998-09-02  0:00                                               ` Mattias Lundstr�m
1998-09-02  0:00                                                 ` Patrick Logan
1998-09-02  0:00                                                   ` Robert Martin
1998-09-02  0:00                                               ` Mattias Lundstr�m
1998-09-02  0:00                                               ` Mattias Lundstr�m
1998-09-01  0:00                                             ` Mattias Lundstr�m
1998-09-01  0:00                                               ` Robert Martin
1998-09-01  0:00                                                 ` Robert I. Eachus
1998-09-01  0:00                                                   ` Robert Martin
1998-09-02  0:00                                                 ` Mattias Lundstr�m
1998-09-02  0:00                                                   ` Robert Martin
1998-09-02  0:00                                                 ` Mattias Lundstr�m
1998-09-01  0:00                                           ` Tim Ottinger
1998-09-01  0:00                                         ` dewarr
     [not found]                                     ` <35f51e53.48044143@ <904556531.666222@miso.it.uq.edu.au>
1998-09-01  0:00                                       ` Gerry Quinn
1998-09-01  0:00                                         ` Robert Martin
1998-09-01  0:00                                           ` Gerry Quinn
1998-09-01  0:00                                             ` Robert Martin
1998-09-02  0:00                                               ` Gerry Quinn
1998-09-02  0:00                                                 ` Robert Martin
1998-09-02  0:00                                                   ` Ell
1998-09-04  0:00                                                     ` Andre Tibben
1998-09-04  0:00                                                       ` Patrick Doyle
1998-09-02  0:00                                                   ` Gerry Quinn
1998-09-02  0:00                                                     ` Robert Martin
1998-09-03  0:00                                                       ` sureshvv
1998-09-03  0:00                                                         ` Patrick Logan
1998-09-04  0:00                                                           ` Matthew Heaney
1998-09-03  0:00                                                         ` Robert Martin
1998-09-03  0:00                                                           ` Mike Spille
1998-09-03  0:00                                                             ` Robert Martin
1998-09-03  0:00                                                               ` Mike Spille
1998-09-03  0:00                                                                 ` Robert Martin
1998-09-04  0:00                                                                 ` sureshvv
1998-09-04  0:00                                                                   ` Robert Martin
1998-09-04  0:00                                                                     ` Mike Spille
1998-09-05  0:00                                                                       ` Ell
1998-09-05  0:00                                                                         ` Moderators for life (was: Re: Software landmines) Martijn Meijering
1998-09-05  0:00                                                                           ` Thaddeus L. Olczyk
1998-09-06  0:00                                                                           ` Moderators for life Ell
1998-09-04  0:00                                                               ` Software landmines (loops) Ray Blaak
1998-09-06  0:00                                                                 ` Charles Hixson
1998-09-06  0:00                                                                   ` Robert Martin
1998-09-07  0:00                                                                     ` Patrick Logan
1998-09-04  0:00                                                               ` Gerry Quinn
     [not found]                                                               ` <EyyLos.2nx@yc.estec.esa.nl>
1998-09-08  0:00                                                                 ` Robert Martin
1998-09-08  0:00                                                                 ` John G. Volan
1998-09-08  0:00                                                                   ` duncan
1998-09-08  0:00                                                                     ` Patrick Doyle
1998-09-06  0:00                                                           ` Charles Hixson
1998-09-06  0:00                                                             ` Robert Martin
1998-09-06  0:00                                                               ` Charles Hixson
1998-09-09  0:00                                                               ` sureshvv
1998-09-03  0:00                                                       ` Ell
1998-09-04  0:00                                                         ` Ell
1998-09-03  0:00                                                           ` Robert Martin
1998-09-04  0:00                                                             ` Ell
1998-09-04  0:00                                                               ` Robert Martin
1998-09-05  0:00                                                                 ` Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-04  0:00                                                                   ` Ell
1998-09-05  0:00                                                                     ` Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-04  0:00                                                               ` Patrick Doyle
1998-09-05  0:00                                                                 ` Ell
1998-09-05  0:00                                                                   ` Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-05  0:00                                                                     ` Robert Martin
1998-09-06  0:00                                                                       ` Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-05  0:00                                                                         ` Robert Martin
1998-09-06  0:00                                                                           ` Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-05  0:00                                                                   ` Jeffrey C. Dege
1998-09-05  0:00                                                                     ` Matthew Heaney
1998-09-05  0:00                                                                       ` Robert Martin
1998-09-05  0:00                                                                       ` Matthew Heaney
1998-09-05  0:00                                                                         ` Robert Martin
1998-09-06  0:00                                                                           ` Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-05  0:00                                                                             ` Robert Martin
1998-09-06  0:00                                                                               ` Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-06  0:00                                                                                 ` Charles Hixson
1998-09-06  0:00                                                                                   ` Patrick Doyle
1998-09-07  0:00                                                                                 ` Ray Gardner
1998-09-07  0:00                                                                                   ` Patrick Logan
1998-09-08  0:00                                                                         ` Tim McDermott
1998-09-08  0:00                                                                           ` Patrick Doyle
1998-09-08  0:00                                                                             ` Patrick Logan
1998-09-17  0:00                                                                           ` Matthew Heaney
1998-09-09  0:00                                                                       ` Tim Ottinger
1998-09-17  0:00                                                                         ` Matthew Heaney
1998-09-16  0:00                                                                           ` Tim Ottinger
1998-09-17  0:00                                                                             ` [WAYRTW?] (was: Re: Software landmines (loops)) Zane Lewkowicz
1998-09-17  0:00                                                                               ` Biju Thomas
1998-09-18  0:00                                                                               ` L. Darrell Ray
     [not found]                                                     ` <6skqf3$ <35F0B5B0.8E2D0166@s054.aone.net.au>
1998-09-06  0:00                                                       ` Software landmines (loops) Will Rose
1998-09-06  0:00                                                         ` Ell
1998-09-06  0:00                                                           ` Jeffrey C. Dege
1998-09-01  0:00                                           ` Mike Spille
1998-09-01  0:00                                             ` Robert Martin
     [not found]                                               ` <gio+van+no+ni+8-0309982212300001@dialup62.tlh.talstar.com>
1998-09-04  0:00                                                 ` Robert I. Eachus
     [not found]                                                   ` <gio+van+no+ni+8-0809981840170001@dialup75.tlh.talstar.com>
1998-09-09  0:00                                                     ` Nick Leaton
     [not found]                                                       ` <gio+van+no+ni+8-1609980026290001@dialup26.tlh.talstar.com>
1998-09-16  0:00                                                         ` Nick Leaton
1998-09-02  0:00                                           ` mfinney
1998-09-02  0:00                                             ` Robert Martin
1998-09-02  0:00                                               ` Matthew Heaney
1998-09-02  0:00                                                 ` Robert Martin
1998-09-02  0:00                                                   ` Matthew Heaney
1998-09-02  0:00                                                     ` Patrick Logan
1998-09-03  0:00                                                       ` Matthew Heaney
1998-09-03  0:00                                                         ` Patrick Logan
1998-09-03  0:00                                                       ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
1998-09-03  0:00                                                         ` Patrick Logan
1998-09-02  0:00                                                     ` Robert Martin
1998-09-03  0:00                                                       ` Matthew Heaney
1998-09-03  0:00                                                         ` Patrick Logan
1998-09-03  0:00                                                           ` Module size (was Re: Software landmines) Jeffrey C. Dege
1998-09-03  0:00                                                             ` Robert Martin
1998-09-04  0:00                                                               ` Martin Tom Brown
1998-09-04  0:00                                                                 ` Christopher P. Gariepy
1998-09-04  0:00                                                                   ` Emtpy procedures (was Re: Module size (was Re: Software landmines)) Jim Cochrane
1998-09-04  0:00                                                                   ` Module size (was Re: Software landmines) Robert Martin
1998-09-04  0:00                                                                     ` Pat Rogers
1998-09-05  0:00                                                                       ` Ell
1998-09-05  0:00                                                                         ` Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-05  0:00                                                                           ` Robert Martin
1998-09-05  0:00                                                                             ` Jeffrey C. Dege
1998-09-06  0:00                                                                             ` Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-06  0:00                                                                               ` Patrick Doyle
1998-09-08  0:00                                                                                 ` James Weirich
1998-09-08  0:00                                                                                 ` Ken Carpenter
1998-09-05  0:00                                                                           ` Patrick Doyle
1998-09-05  0:00                                                                       ` Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-04  0:00                                                                         ` Types vs classes (was Re: Module size (was Re: Software landmines)) Pat Rogers
1998-09-05  0:00                                                                           ` Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-07  0:00                                                                             ` Juergen Schlegelmilch
1998-09-07  0:00                                                                               ` Juergen Schlegelmilch
1998-09-04  0:00                                                                   ` Module size (was Re: Software landmines) Ell
1998-09-04  0:00                                                                   ` John G. Volan
1998-09-06  0:00                                                                     ` Charles Hixson
1998-09-06  0:00                                                                       ` John G. Volan
1998-09-04  0:00                                                             ` John G. Volan
1998-09-04  0:00                                                               ` Patrick Logan
1998-09-05  0:00                                                                 ` Jeffrey C. Dege
1998-09-05  0:00                                                                   ` Patrick Logan
1998-09-05  0:00                                                                     ` Jeffrey C. Dege
1998-09-04  0:00                                                               ` John G. Volan
1998-09-04  0:00                                                             ` Chris Kuan
1998-09-04  0:00                                                               ` Jeffrey C. Dege
1998-09-04  0:00                                                                 ` Chris Kuan
1998-09-03  0:00                                                         ` Software landmines (loops) Robert Martin
1998-09-03  0:00                                                           ` Biju Thomas
1998-09-03  0:00                                                           ` Phil Goodwin
1998-09-04  0:00                                                             ` Matthew Heaney
1998-09-04  0:00                                                               ` Jeffrey C. Dege
1998-09-04  0:00                                                                 ` Patrick Logan
1998-09-04  0:00                                                                 ` Ell
1998-09-04  0:00                                                                   ` Elliot's paranoia (was something relevent once, but no longer) Jeffrey C. Dege
1998-09-04  0:00                                                           ` Software landmines (loops) Ell
1998-09-04  0:00                                                             ` Ell
1998-09-05  0:00                                                             ` Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-06  0:00                                                               ` Charles Hixson
1998-09-07  0:00                                                                 ` Loryn Jenkins
     [not found]                                                             ` <35F074C9.E10C <35F2E907.594CD023@earthlink.net>
1998-09-07  0:00                                                               ` Patrick Doyle
1998-09-10  0:00                                                             ` Tim Ottinger
1998-09-10  0:00                                                               ` dewarr
1998-09-11  0:00                                                                 ` prochak
1998-09-12  0:00                                                                 ` Ell
1998-09-12  0:00                                                                   ` dewarr
1998-09-12  0:00                                                                     ` Charles Hixson
1998-09-13  0:00                                                                       ` dewarr
1998-09-14  0:00                                                                     ` Ell
1998-09-03  0:00                                                         ` Robert Martin
1998-09-02  0:00                                                   ` dennison
1998-09-02  0:00                                                   ` Dan Higdon
1998-09-03  0:00                                                     ` Mid-Loop 'Until' Proposal [was: Software landmines (loops)] John G. Volan
     [not found]                                                       ` <Q7UH1.3152$re2.302134@news.giganews.com>
     [not found]                                                         ` <35F2E055.6922B7EC@earthlink.net>
1998-09-06  0:00                                                           ` John G. Volan
1998-09-02  0:00                                               ` Software landmines (loops) Ell
1998-09-02  0:00                                                 ` Rick Smith
1998-09-02  0:00                                                   ` Robert I. Eachus
1998-09-02  0:00                                                     ` Patrick Logan
1998-09-03  0:00                                                       ` Robert I. Eachus
1998-09-02  0:00                                                 ` Robert Martin
1998-09-02  0:00                                                   ` Ell
1998-09-02  0:00                                                     ` Robert Martin
1998-09-02  0:00                                                       ` Ell
1998-09-02  0:00                                                         ` Robert Martin
1998-09-03  0:00                                                           ` Joe Gwinn
1998-09-03  0:00                                                             ` Robert Martin
1998-09-04  0:00                                                               ` Ell
1998-09-04  0:00                                                                 ` Robert Martin
1998-09-04  0:00                                                                   ` Ell
1998-09-04  0:00                                                               ` sureshvv
1998-09-06  0:00                                                             ` Charles Hixson
1998-09-06  0:00                                                               ` Matthew Heaney
1998-09-06  0:00                                                                 ` Robert Martin
1998-09-06  0:00                                                                   ` Ell
1998-09-06  0:00                                                                     ` Jeffrey C. Dege
1998-09-11  0:00                                                                   ` Robert I. Eachus
1998-09-12  0:00                                                                     ` Patrick Logan
1998-09-06  0:00                                                               ` Robert Martin
1998-09-06  0:00                                                                 ` Jeffrey C. Dege
1998-09-06  0:00                                                                   ` Robert Martin
1998-09-08  0:00                                                               ` adam
1998-09-09  0:00                                                                 ` Gerry Quinn
     [not found]                                                                   ` <gio+van+no+ni+8-1609980034390001@dialup26.tlh.talstar.com>
1998-09-16  0:00                                                                     ` Biju Thomas
1998-09-16  0:00                                                                       ` Is there a language that Dijkstra liked? (was: Re: Software landmines (loops)) Rick Smith
1998-09-17  0:00                                                                         ` Markus Kuhn
1998-09-17  0:00                                                                           ` dewarr
1998-09-17  0:00                                                                             ` Biju Thomas
1998-09-18  0:00                                                                               ` dewarr
1998-09-18  0:00                                                                                 ` Markus Kuhn
1998-10-09  0:00                                                                             ` Matthew Heaney
1998-10-09  0:00                                                                               ` Pat Rogers
1998-10-09  0:00                                                                               ` Jay Martin
1998-10-09  0:00                                                                                 ` Pat Rogers
1998-10-10  0:00                                                                                 ` Dave Wood
1998-10-13  0:00                                                                                 ` last.first
1998-10-23  0:00                                                                                   ` Brian Mueller
1998-10-23  0:00                                                                                     ` College, C, etc. (Was Re: Is there a language that Dijkstra liked?) Darren New
1998-10-23  0:00                                                                                       ` Tom J
1998-10-23  0:00                                                                                         ` K. Mathias
1998-10-24  0:00                                                                                       ` Jerry van Dijk
1998-10-25  0:00                                                                                       ` College, C, etc Frank Sergeant
1998-10-26  0:00                                                                                         ` Darren New
1998-10-29  0:00                                                                                           ` Graham Perkins
1998-10-29  0:00                                                                                             ` Paul A. Howes
1998-10-30  0:00                                                                                               ` Jeffrey C. Dege
1998-10-30  0:00                                                                                                 ` Patrick Logan
1998-10-29  0:00                                                                                             ` Arun Mangalam
1998-10-23  0:00                                                                                     ` Is there a language that Dijkstra liked? (was: Re: Software landmines (loops)) midlamD
1998-10-23  0:00                                                                                       ` Ell
1998-10-23  0:00                                                                                     ` Arun Mangalam
1998-10-23  0:00                                                                                       ` DPH
1998-10-24  0:00                                                                                         ` Michael Stark
1998-10-23  0:00                                                                                     ` Ell
1998-10-24  0:00                                                                                     ` Dale Stanbrough
1998-10-24  0:00                                                                                     ` Dave Wood
1998-10-24  0:00                                                                                     ` Ehud Lamm
1998-10-24  0:00                                                                                     ` Dave Wood
1998-10-24  0:00                                                                                       ` Tucker Taft
1998-10-26  0:00                                                                                     ` Bill Ghrist
1998-10-27  0:00                                                                                       ` Ell
1998-10-27  0:00                                                                                         ` dewarr
     [not found]                                                                                     ` <3 <slrn73ifd1.8ip.jdege@jdege.visi.com>
1998-10-30  0:00                                                                                       ` College, C, etc Tom J
1998-10-23  0:00                                                                                   ` Is there a language that Dijkstra liked? (was: Re: Software landmines (loops)) Gautier.DeMontmollin
1998-10-11  0:00                                                                               ` Bertrand Meyer
1998-10-12  0:00                                                                                 ` Pat Rogers
1998-10-12  0:00                                                                                 ` Rod Chapman
1998-10-13  0:00                                                                                 ` Robert I. Eachus
1998-09-17  0:00                                                                           ` Pat Rogers
1998-09-17  0:00                                                                             ` David C. Hoos, Sr.
1998-09-17  0:00                                                                             ` dewarr
1998-09-21  0:00                                                                             ` Is there a language that Dijkstra liked? Peter Hermann
1998-09-21  0:00                                                                               ` Pat Rogers
1998-09-21  0:00                                                                               ` dewarr
1998-09-18  0:00                                                                           ` Is there a language that Dijkstra liked? (was: Re: Software landmines (loops)) bengt
1998-09-17  0:00                                                                       ` Software landmines (loops) Gerry Quinn
1998-09-17  0:00                                                                         ` dewarr
1998-09-18  0:00                                                                           ` Gerry Quinn
1998-09-18  0:00                                                                             ` Biju Thomas
1998-09-18  0:00                                                                               ` Robert C. Martin
1998-09-19  0:00                                                                                 ` Rick Smith
1998-09-19  0:00                                                                               ` dewarr
1998-09-21  0:00                                                                                 ` Richard D Riehle
1998-09-19  0:00                                                                               ` Ell
1998-09-19  0:00                                                                             ` dewarr
1998-09-17  0:00                                                                       ` dewarr
1998-09-18  0:00                                                                         ` Ell
1998-09-11  0:00                                                                 ` spaghetti code(was Re: Software landmines (loops)) Joe Chacko
     [not found]                                                                   ` <01bddfb7$f3eac320$ca3aea9e@tom>
1998-09-15  0:00                                                                     ` prochak
1998-09-03  0:00                                                       ` Software landmines (loops) Malcolm Steel
     [not found]                                                       ` <o1fH1.543$495.1 <gwinn-0309982042490001@d8.dial-4.cmb.ma.ultra.net>
1998-09-04  0:00                                                         ` Samuel Mize
1998-09-04  0:00                                                           ` Ell
1998-09-05  0:00                                                           ` Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-09  0:00                                                             ` Samuel Mize
1998-09-09  0:00                                                               ` sureshvv
1998-09-10  0:00                                                                 ` prochak
1998-09-11  0:00                                                                   ` Patrick Doyle
1998-09-17  0:00                                                                 ` Matthew Heaney
1998-09-10  0:00                                                               ` Tim Ottinger
     [not found]                                                                 ` <01bddccc$98b2dda0$ca3aea9e@tom>
1998-09-10  0:00                                                                   ` Tim Ottinger
1998-09-11  0:00                                                             ` Robert I. Eachus
1998-09-12  0:00                                                               ` Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-11  0:00                                                                 ` alan walkington
1998-09-12  0:00                                                                   ` Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-17  0:00                                                                 ` Linguistic invention (was Re: Software landmines (loops)) Robert I. Eachus
1998-09-18  0:00                                                                   ` Ell
1998-10-09  0:00                                                       ` Is there a language that Dijkstra liked? (was: " Gautier.DeMontmollin
1998-09-02  0:00                                                     ` Software landmines (loops) Robert Martin
1998-09-02  0:00                                                       ` Ell
     [not found]                                                     ` <6sjnlu$83l$1@hirame.wwa.c <35EE5F67.80D@gecm.com>
1998-09-03  0:00                                                       ` Patrick Doyle
1998-09-02  0:00                                                   ` Ell
1998-09-03  0:00                                                     ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
1998-09-03  0:00                                                       ` Ell
1998-09-03  0:00                                                         ` Patrick Doyle
1998-09-03  0:00                                                         ` Martin Tom Brown
1998-09-02  0:00                                                 ` adam
1998-09-02  0:00                                                 ` Patrick Doyle
1998-09-02  0:00                                               ` adam
1998-09-02  0:00                                               ` Phil Goodwin
1998-09-02  0:00                                               ` adam
1998-09-02  0:00                                                 ` Robert Martin
1998-09-02  0:00                                                   ` Mike Spille
1998-09-03  0:00                                                   ` Gerry Quinn
1998-09-03  0:00                                                   ` Richard MacDonald
1998-09-06  0:00                                                 ` Charles Hixson
     [not found]                                               ` <gio+van+no+ni+8-0309982311220001@dialup62.tlh.talstar.com>
1998-09-03  0:00                                                 ` Robert Martin
1998-09-03  0:00                                               ` mfinney
1998-09-03  0:00                                                 ` Robert Martin
1998-09-02  0:00                                             ` Ell
1998-09-02  0:00                                               ` Robert Oliver
1998-09-02  0:00                                                 ` Matthew Heaney
1998-09-02  0:00                                                 ` john-clonts
1998-09-02  0:00                                                   ` Darren New
1998-09-02  0:00                                                   ` Robert Martin
1998-09-02  0:00                                                 ` Ell
1998-09-02  0:00                                                   ` Robert Oliver
1998-09-02  0:00                                                     ` Robert Martin
1998-09-03  0:00                                                       ` sureshvv
1998-09-03  0:00                                                         ` Patrick Logan
1998-09-06  0:00                                                       ` Charles Hixson
1998-09-07  0:00                                                         ` Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-03  0:00                                                     ` Ell
1998-09-03  0:00                                                       ` Jeffrey C. Dege
1998-09-05  0:00                                               ` Ray Gardner
1998-09-05  0:00                                                 ` Matthew Heaney
1998-09-07  0:00                                                   ` Ray Gardner
1998-09-07  0:00                                                     ` Ell
1998-09-07  0:00                                                       ` Ell
1998-09-09  0:00                                                         ` Adrian P. Morgan
1998-09-09  0:00                                                           ` Charles Hixson
1998-09-10  0:00                                                             ` mfinney
     [not found]                                                               ` <gio+van+no+ni+8-1609981736190001@dialup47.tlh.talstar.com>
1998-09-17  0:00                                                                 ` mfinney
1998-09-07  0:00                                                       ` dewarr
1998-09-09  0:00                                                         ` Ray Gardner
1998-09-11  0:00                                                           ` Robert I. Eachus
1998-09-07  0:00                                                       ` Ray Gardner
1998-09-07  0:00                                                         ` Ell
1998-09-07  0:00                                                           ` Ell
1998-09-09  0:00                                                           ` Ray Gardner
1998-09-07  0:00                                                       ` Patrick Doyle
1998-09-07  0:00                                                         ` dewarr
1998-10-09  0:00                                                     ` Matthew Heaney
     [not found]                                               ` <m31zpq4pim.fsf@mheaney.ni.ne <m3af36wtwh.fsf@mheaney.ni.net>
1998-10-11  0:00                                                 ` Patrick Doyle
1998-09-02  0:00                                             ` Ell
1998-09-02  0:00                                             ` john-clonts
1998-09-03  0:00                                               ` mfinney
1998-09-06  0:00                                                 ` Charles Hixson
1998-09-06  0:00                                                   ` mfinney
1998-09-02  0:00                                           ` Gene Gajewski
1998-09-03  0:00                                     ` Expressive Case Statements (was: Software landmines) Fergus Henderson
1998-09-09  0:00                                     ` Software landmines (loops) Jonas M�ls�
     [not found]                                     ` <35f51e53.48044143@ <6t6l4n$rep@jbm.nada.kth.se>
1998-09-10  0:00                                       ` Mats Weber
1998-09-17  0:00                                       ` Matthew Heaney
     [not found]                                 ` <m3ogt3qgca.fsf@mheaney.ni.n <1dghyt5.oik1lzhxzf2N@n207167116176.inetworld.net>
1998-10-10  0:00                                   ` Patrick Doyle
1998-10-12  0:00                                     ` Charles H. Sampson
1998-10-13  0:00                                       ` Matthew Heaney
1998-10-14  0:00                                       ` Graham Perkins
1998-10-15  0:00                                         ` Reimer Behrends
1998-10-15  0:00                                           ` dewarr
1998-10-15  0:00                                       ` Indicators of program quality? (was Re: Software landmines) Jeffrey C. Dege
     [not found]                               ` <m33eagru5g.fsf@mheaney.ni.net>
1998-08-31  0:00                                 ` Software landmines (was: Why C++ is successful) Frank Adrian
1998-08-31  0:00                                   ` Robert I. Eachus
1998-08-31  0:00                                     ` Biju Thomas
1998-08-31  0:00                                       ` Robert Martin
1998-09-01  0:00                                         ` Martin Dowie
1998-09-01  0:00                                       ` Robert I. Eachus
1998-09-02  0:00                                         ` dennison
1998-09-01  0:00                                   ` dewarr
1998-09-06  0:00                                 ` Jonathan Guthrie
1998-08-20  0:00                           ` Ell
1998-08-20  0:00                             ` Structured programming (Re: Software landmines (was: Why C++ is successful)) Darren New
1998-08-21  0:00                               ` Gene Gajewski
1998-08-21  0:00                             ` Software landmines (was: Why C++ is successful) Ell
1998-08-21  0:00                               ` Larry Brasfield
1998-08-21  0:00                                 ` Bob Collins
1998-08-21  0:00                                 ` Jeffrey C. Dege
1998-08-20  0:00                                   ` Phlip
1998-08-21  0:00                                   ` Larry Brasfield
     [not found]                                   ` <DOSXjHE9T6DM9Jw9nAyaPxfz@news.rdc1.bc.wave.home.com>
1998-08-22  0:00                                     ` dewar
1998-08-24  0:00                                       ` dennison
1998-08-28  0:00                                         ` Matthew Heaney
1998-08-28  0:00                                           ` dennison
1998-08-30  0:00                                             ` Matthew Heaney
1998-09-06  0:00                                               ` John G. Volan
1998-08-31  0:00                                             ` Robert I. Eachus
1998-08-24  0:00                                       ` Martin Dowie
1998-08-24  0:00                                         ` Martin Dowie
1998-08-24  0:00                                           ` Mark A Biggar
1998-08-25  0:00                                             ` Martin Dowie
1998-08-25  0:00                                               ` Mark A Biggar
1998-08-26  0:00                                                 ` Martin Dowie
1998-08-25  0:00                                         ` adam
1998-09-22  0:00                                       ` Charles H. Sampson
1998-08-21  0:00                                 ` Ell
1998-08-21  0:00                               ` John Goodsen
1998-08-21  0:00                                 ` Ell
1998-08-21  0:00                                   ` Ell
     [not found]                           ` <l5HC1.6840$wN.18 <35F238F7.F57D3EC7@earthlink.net>
1998-09-06  0:00                             ` Software landmines (loops) Patrick Doyle
1998-10-21  0:00                           ` Is there a language that Dijkstra liked? (was: Re: Software landmines (loops)) Van Snyder
1998-10-22  0:00                             ` biocyn
1998-10-26  0:00                               ` Ehud Lamm
1998-10-26  0:00                                 ` Tucker Taft
1998-10-26  0:00                                   ` dennison
1998-10-26  0:00                                     ` Ehud Lamm
1998-10-26  0:00                                       ` Pat Rogers
1998-10-27  0:00                                       ` dennison
1998-10-27  0:00                                     ` bill
1998-10-27  0:00                                     ` Dave Wood
1998-10-28  0:00                                       ` norm
1998-10-27  0:00                                 ` dewarr
1998-10-27  0:00                                   ` Ehud Lamm
1998-11-04  0:00                                   ` business for students Domenico Bisignano
1998-08-20  0:00                         ` Software landmines (was: Why C++ is successful) Gerry Quinn
1998-08-11  0:00           ` Why C++ is successful stilcom
1998-08-11  0:00             ` Microsoft Authors [was Re: Why C++ is successful] john-clonts
1998-08-11  0:00               ` dennison
1998-08-11  0:00                 ` John Weiss
1998-08-12  0:00             ` Why C++ is successful Jeffrey C. Dege
1998-08-12  0:00               ` Andrew Koenig
1998-08-12  0:00               ` Code Complete (Was: Re: Why C++ is successful) Chris Kuan
1998-08-14  0:00               ` Why C++ is successful Stefan Tilkov
     [not found]           ` <35f51e53.48044143@ <m3af4mq7f4 <m31zpxqutn.fsf@mheaney.ni.net>
1998-08-31  0:00             ` Software landmines (loops) Jim Cochrane
1998-09-01  0:00               ` Matthew Heaney
1998-09-01  0:00               ` Matthew Heaney
1998-09-02  0:00                 ` Jim Cochrane
1998-09-02  0:00                   ` Richard Melvin
1998-09-03  0:00                     ` Jim Cochrane
1998-09-03  0:00                   ` Robert I. Eachus
     [not found]           ` <35f51e53.48044143@ <m3af4mq7f4 <35EC1590.D50DB8F6@tisny.com>
1998-09-01  0:00             ` Patrick Doyle
     [not found]           ` <35f51e53.48044143@ <m3af4mq7f4 <6shunm$47g$1@hirame.wwa.com>
1998-09-02  0:00             ` David E. Wallace
     [not found]           ` <35f51e53.48044143@ <m3af4mq7f4 <m3zpck79xp.fsf@mheaney.ni.net>
1998-09-02  0:00             ` Patrick Doyle
     [not found]           ` <35f51e53.48044143@ <m3af4mq7f4 <6sjms6$7c4$1@hirame.wwa.com>
1998-09-02  0:00             ` Patrick Doyle
1998-09-02  0:00               ` Robert Martin
1998-09-02  0:00                 ` Patrick Logan
1998-09-02  0:00                   ` Robert Martin
1998-09-04  0:00                     ` Patrick Logan
1998-09-02  0:00               ` Patrick Logan
1998-09-02  0:00                 ` Patrick Doyle
1998-09-02  0:00                   ` Robert Martin
1998-09-03  0:00                   ` Patrick Logan
1998-09-03  0:00               ` Matthew Heaney
1998-09-03  0:00                 ` Robert Martin
1998-09-03  0:00                   ` Patrick Logan
1998-09-03  0:00               ` mfinney
1998-09-03  0:00                 ` Patrick Doyle
     [not found]           ` <35f51e53.48044143@ <m3af4mq7f4 <6shhg4$llp$1@hirame.wwa.com>
1998-09-02  0:00             ` Jim Cochrane
     [not found]           ` <35f51e53.48044143@ <m3af4mq7f4 <35EDC648.76F03F32@draper.com>
1998-09-03  0:00             ` Patrick Doyle
1998-09-03  0:00               ` Martin Tom Brown
1998-09-03  0:00               ` Tim McDermott
1998-09-04  0:00                 ` Patrick Doyle
1998-09-04  0:00                 ` Matthew Heaney
1998-09-04  0:00                   ` Patrick Doyle
1998-09-08  0:00                   ` Tim McDermott
1998-09-17  0:00                     ` Matthew Heaney
1998-09-17  0:00                       ` Reimer Behrends
1998-09-18  0:00                       ` Robert I. Eachus
1998-09-18  0:00                         ` Jeffrey C. Dege
     [not found]           ` <35f51e53.48044143@ <904556531. <m3lno372be.fsf@mheaney.ni.net>
1998-09-03  0:00             ` Patrick Doyle
1998-09-03  0:00             ` Patrick Doyle
1998-09-03  0:00               ` Loryn Jenkins
     [not found]           ` <35f51e53.48044143@ <m3af4mq7f4 <35F09429.1A7CD250@easystreet.com>
1998-09-07  0:00             ` Expressive Case Statements (was: Software landmines) Michael F Brenner
     [not found]           ` <35f51e53.48044143@ <m3af4mq7f4 <35EC937F.94420C51@ibm.net>
1998-09-07  0:00             ` Software landmines (loops) Michael F Brenner
     [not found]           ` <35f51e53.480 <904556531.66622 <EyyLos.2nx@yc.estec.esa.nl>
1998-09-08  0:00             ` duncan
1998-09-16  0:00               ` Matthew Heaney
1998-09-17  0:00                 ` Reimer Behrends
1998-09-17  0:00                   ` Ell
1998-09-08  0:00             ` Jim Cochrane
1998-09-09  0:00               ` Charles Hixson
1998-09-10  0:00                 ` Loryn Jenkins
1998-09-17  0:00                 ` Matthew Heaney
1998-09-09  0:00               ` duncan
1998-09-11  0:00                 ` Jim Cochrane
1998-09-11  0:00                   ` duncan
     [not found]           ` <35f51e53.480<904556531.666222@ <6t42kg$son$1@hirame.wwa.com>
1998-09-08  0:00             ` Patrick Doyle
1998-08-08  0:00       ` Why C++ is successful Dale Stanbrough
1998-08-07  0:00 ` Jason Stokes
1998-08-08  0:00   ` Robert Dewar
1998-08-10  0:00     ` Robert I. Eachus
1998-08-11  0:00     ` n
1998-08-12  0:00       ` Why C++ is successful? Robert I. Eachus
1998-08-12  0:00         ` Joe Gwinn
1998-08-13  0:00           ` Larry Kilgallen
1998-08-14  0:00           ` Robert Dewar
1998-08-14  0:00             ` Bob Munck
1998-08-16  0:00               ` Robert Dewar
1998-08-14  0:00             ` nasser
1998-08-16  0:00               ` Chris Morgan
1998-08-17  0:00               ` asilvant
1998-08-17  0:00             ` Robert I. Eachus
1998-08-13  0:00         ` Bob Munck
1998-08-14  0:00       ` Why C++ is successful Robert Dewar
     [not found]         ` <35D455AC.9225EAA7@hercii.mar.lmco.com>
1998-08-14  0:00           ` Robert L. Spooner
1998-08-10  0:00   ` Darren New
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1998-09-07  0:00 Software landmines (loops) Robert Martin
1998-09-08  0:00 ` Mike Spille
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