From: M E Leypold <development-2006-8ecbb5cc8aREMOVETHIS@ANDTHATm-e-leypold.de>
Subject: Re: AdaCore ... the Next SCO?
Date: 14 Jul 2006 21:58:27 +0200
Date: 2006-07-14T21:58:27+02:00 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <34r70ox8kc.fsf@hod.lan.m-e-leypold.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 1152882713.304794.267470@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
"Hyman Rosen" <hyman.rosen@gmail.com> writes:
> M E Leypold wrote:
> > I say: Nonsense.
>
> For GPLv3, the FSF is planning to roll the LGPL into the GPL,
> using the new GPL's ability to add extra permission clauses.
>
> Here's a quote from Stallman (copied from Groklaw):
<rest snipped>
Hi Hyman,
Yes, I've read the Interview at Groklaw. I've the following things to
remark:
(1) Your hypothesis (somewhere earlier in this thread) was, that the
the GMGPL linking exception is contradicting the GPL, i.e. one
can't redistribute with the exception clause intact. The
interview has no bearing on that.
(2) I think, that this direction on part of the FSF is a bad
move. What will come from that is, that we'll see more and more
software where the LGPL has been converted to GPL (not to give
the end user more freedom, but to poison tools for commercial use
and introduce a dual licensing scheme). Imagine Linux
distributions with LibC under GPL, and you can only get the LGPL
version if you buy support for the enterprise edition.
(3) I think that allowing anyone to redistribute without linking
exception will emphasize the viral nature of GPL and won't do
FLOSS much good. After all, if I don't want somebody to strip the
linking exception from my code, I'll have to avoid the GPL in
future, since I cannot add a non-removable exception to GPL 3.
Furthermore it would be annoying, if, a business adds improved to
a library under LGPL. Then a competitor adds more improvements
and strips the linking exception. The first company can now only
continue to use the non improved version. Somehow that seems to
me a break of the implied "sharing contract" -- I'd expect other
people to add under the same conditions (so that I can also
profit from their improvements, not introducing different rules
that exclude application areas for earlier contributors).
(4) As far as GtkAda (2.4.0) and Florist are concerned: Their license
is still GMGPL based on GPL 2. So it is still open, wether the
linking exception can be stripped from source you don't own. (As
a reference: You can't convert LGPL 2 to GPL, that much is
certain in my eyes).
Regards -- Markus
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2006-06-27 10:58 Ada in Debian: most libraries will switch to the pure GPL in Etch Ludovic Brenta
2006-06-27 11:48 ` AdaCore ... the Next SCO? Jeffrey Creem
2006-06-27 13:13 ` Ludovic Brenta
2006-06-27 15:16 ` M E Leypold
2006-06-28 20:14 ` Simon Wright
2006-06-28 20:26 ` Ludovic Brenta
2006-06-27 16:38 ` Martin Krischik
2006-06-27 17:58 ` Georg Bauhaus
2006-06-28 0:24 ` M E Leypold
2006-06-28 6:09 ` Simon Wright
2006-06-28 7:45 ` Martin Krischik
2006-06-28 13:07 ` M E Leypold
2006-06-29 17:07 ` Martin Krischik
2006-06-29 22:26 ` Simon Wright
2006-06-30 16:46 ` Martin Krischik
2006-07-01 8:20 ` Georg Bauhaus
2006-07-02 12:10 ` Martin Krischik
2006-06-28 20:26 ` Simon Wright
2006-06-29 17:45 ` Stephen Leake
2006-06-30 8:55 ` M E Leypold
2006-06-28 7:28 ` Martin Krischik
2006-06-28 8:07 ` No relicense everything now! (was: Re: AdaCore ... the Next SCO?) Georg Bauhaus
2006-06-28 13:14 ` M E Leypold
2006-06-29 17:53 ` AdaCore ... the Next SCO? Stephen Leake
2006-06-29 20:31 ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2006-06-30 8:40 ` M E Leypold
2006-06-30 15:19 ` Stephen Leake
2006-06-29 22:06 ` Jeffrey Creem
2006-06-30 8:46 ` M E Leypold
2006-06-30 15:21 ` Stephen Leake
2006-06-28 0:18 ` M E Leypold
2006-06-28 20:12 ` Ludovic Brenta
2006-06-28 22:45 ` M E Leypold
2006-06-28 21:54 ` Björn Persson
2006-06-28 22:57 ` M E Leypold
2006-06-28 6:06 ` Simon Wright
2006-06-28 7:49 ` Martin Krischik
2006-06-29 17:43 ` Stephen Leake
2006-06-27 23:10 ` Jeffrey Creem
2006-06-28 2:23 ` M E Leypold
2006-06-29 17:40 ` Stephen Leake
2006-06-27 15:00 ` M E Leypold
2006-06-27 18:49 ` Georg Bauhaus
2006-06-28 0:06 ` M E Leypold
2006-07-03 22:22 ` Hyman Rosen
2006-07-03 23:58 ` M E Leypold
2006-07-04 10:19 ` Georg Bauhaus
2006-07-04 22:13 ` M E Leypold
2006-07-04 18:55 ` Hyman Rosen
2006-07-04 20:29 ` Simon Wright
2006-07-04 22:34 ` M E Leypold
2006-07-04 22:20 ` M E Leypold
2006-07-14 13:11 ` Hyman Rosen
2006-07-14 15:14 ` michael bode
2006-07-14 19:58 ` M E Leypold [this message]
2006-07-17 20:13 ` Hyman Rosen
2006-07-17 21:24 ` Michael Bode
2006-07-17 22:23 ` Hyman Rosen
2006-07-18 0:38 ` M E Leypold
2006-07-18 7:40 ` michael bode
2006-07-18 10:22 ` Georg Bauhaus
2006-07-18 11:55 ` michael bode
2006-07-18 19:46 ` Georg Bauhaus
2006-07-18 19:55 ` Michael Bode
2006-07-18 10:58 ` Ludovic Brenta
2006-07-18 11:35 ` Revocable or non-revocable licenses from AdaCore? (Re: AdaCore ... the Next SCO?) Jacob Sparre Andersen
2006-07-18 20:37 ` Samuel Tardieu
2006-07-18 12:55 ` AdaCore ... the Next SCO? michael bode
2006-07-18 13:26 ` Marius Amado-Alves
2006-07-18 19:11 ` Michael Bode
2006-07-18 20:33 ` Ludovic Brenta
2006-07-20 21:55 ` Björn Persson
2006-07-18 14:22 ` Hyman Rosen
2006-06-28 14:27 ` Preben Randhol
2006-06-28 15:22 ` Georg Bauhaus
2006-06-28 15:36 ` M E Leypold
2006-06-28 20:18 ` Ludovic Brenta
2006-06-29 7:09 ` Preben Randhol
2006-06-29 20:01 ` Björn Persson
2006-06-30 8:52 ` M E Leypold
2006-07-03 22:02 ` Hyman Rosen
2006-07-03 23:55 ` M E Leypold
2006-07-04 18:07 ` Michael Bode
2006-07-04 22:18 ` M E Leypold
2006-07-18 10:18 ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2006-06-28 5:58 ` Simon Wright
2006-06-28 13:04 ` M E Leypold
2006-06-29 22:46 ` Simon Wright
2006-06-30 7:01 ` Martin Dowie
2006-07-01 8:48 ` Simon Wright
2006-06-30 8:39 ` M E Leypold
2006-07-01 8:58 ` Simon Wright
2006-06-27 13:46 ` Ada in Debian: most libraries will switch to the pure GPL in Etch Alex R. Mosteo
2006-06-27 14:40 ` M E Leypold
2006-06-27 14:52 ` What luck we had M E Leypold
2006-06-27 19:13 ` Pascal Obry
2006-06-28 13:39 ` Preben Randhol
2006-06-28 19:20 ` Michael Bode
2006-06-27 20:40 ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2006-06-28 0:02 ` M E Leypold
2006-06-27 18:57 ` Ada in Debian: most libraries will switch to the pure GPL in Etch Ed Falis
2006-06-28 0:58 ` M E Leypold
2006-06-28 19:45 ` Ludovic Brenta
2006-06-27 21:10 ` Ludovic Brenta
2006-06-28 1:02 ` M E Leypold
2006-06-27 15:00 ` Dr. Adrian Wrigley
2006-06-27 15:28 ` Ludovic Brenta
2006-06-27 15:38 ` M E Leypold
2006-06-27 16:40 ` Dr. Adrian Wrigley
2006-06-27 17:45 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2006-06-27 21:18 ` Ludovic Brenta
2006-06-28 0:45 ` M E Leypold
2006-06-28 0:48 ` M E Leypold
2006-06-28 10:51 ` Dr. Adrian Wrigley
2006-06-28 11:14 ` Georg Bauhaus
2006-06-28 11:21 ` Georg Bauhaus
2006-06-28 12:41 ` Ludovic Brenta
2006-06-28 13:36 ` M E Leypold
2006-06-28 13:31 ` M E Leypold
2006-06-28 0:42 ` M E Leypold
2006-06-28 19:24 ` Simon Wright
2006-06-28 23:00 ` M E Leypold
2006-06-27 18:50 ` Michael Bode
2006-06-28 0:50 ` M E Leypold
2006-06-27 19:25 ` Michael Bode
2006-06-28 0:52 ` M E Leypold
2006-06-27 19:39 ` Florian Weimer
2006-06-27 20:47 ` Ludovic Brenta
2006-06-28 0:53 ` M E Leypold
2006-06-28 18:57 ` Florian Weimer
2006-06-28 13:50 ` Preben Randhol
2006-06-28 14:16 ` Georg Bauhaus
2006-06-28 19:14 ` Georg Bauhaus
2006-06-28 19:55 ` Ludovic Brenta
2006-06-28 19:54 ` Ludovic Brenta
2006-06-29 6:12 ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2006-06-28 19:22 ` Simon Wright
2006-06-27 18:39 ` Michael Bode
2006-06-27 19:28 ` Georg Bauhaus
2006-06-27 19:39 ` Michael Bode
2006-06-27 20:09 ` Georg Bauhaus
2006-06-27 20:23 ` Michael Bode
2006-06-27 20:53 ` Georg Bauhaus
2006-06-27 22:53 ` Björn Persson
2006-06-28 5:11 ` Georg Bauhaus
2006-06-28 1:29 ` M E Leypold
2006-06-28 1:18 ` M E Leypold
2006-06-28 6:07 ` Michael Bode
2006-06-28 17:58 ` Frank J. Lhota
2006-06-28 18:17 ` Ed Falis
2006-06-28 18:55 ` Florian Weimer
2006-06-30 19:55 ` Preben Randhol
2006-06-28 18:57 ` Georg Bauhaus
2006-06-28 19:28 ` Frank J. Lhota
2006-06-28 19:38 ` Michael Bode
2006-06-28 19:17 ` Michael Bode
2006-06-28 20:48 ` Florian Weimer
2006-06-28 1:07 ` M E Leypold
2006-06-27 21:07 ` Ludovic Brenta
2006-06-27 21:19 ` Michael Bode
2006-06-28 1:40 ` M E Leypold
2006-06-28 1:35 ` M E Leypold
2006-06-28 11:57 ` Florian Weimer
2006-06-28 18:45 ` Michael Bode
2006-06-28 19:51 ` Ludovic Brenta
2006-06-28 20:46 ` Florian Weimer
2006-06-28 23:06 ` M E Leypold
2006-06-27 22:44 ` Simon Wright
2006-07-03 18:21 ` Matthew Goulet
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