From: Maciej Sobczak <see.my.homepage@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: discriminant questions
Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2011 08:45:31 -0700 (PDT)
Date: 2011-09-20T08:45:31-07:00 [thread overview]
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On Sep 20, 9:33 am, "Dmitry A. Kazakov" <mail...@dmitry-kazakov.de>
wrote:
> > But try your idea with linked lists.
>
> Linked list is not a container,
We might be using different definitions, then.
http://www.adaic.org/resources/add_content/standards/05aarm/html/AA-A-18-3.html
The above page literally uses the term "list container" already in the
first paragraph. I can quote specs for several other programming
languages and their libraries if necessary.
> We have to distinguish the interfaces and implementations, BTW.
We have to take into account the physicality of computations, unless
some completely different model is invented (and delivered). That's
why it makes sense to talk about the interface of list container. It
might be different than the interface of some other container (that
is, of some container with a different access model).
> > I'm not interested in impractical examples.
>
> It is a very practical example, because the same problem arise with all
> sorts of caching techniques for containers handled externally,
That's why they will use other interfaces. Or will fail miserably.
(again: you cannot ignore the physicality of computations)
> That is why iterators fail.
You didn't show it.
> > What we are interested in is [...]
> > the ability of some entity (the iterator) to represent -
> > and be dereferenced! - a value within the container.
>
> See, iterator has pointer semantics, count me out.
See, iterator allows me to do things that are impossible otherwise,
count me in.
> Iterator is a pointer to the container and to an
> element in it, too bad.
You didn't show that it is bad.
--
Maciej Sobczak * http://www.msobczak.com * http://www.inspirel.com
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2011-09-17 16:30 discriminant questions ytomino
2011-09-17 17:19 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-09-17 17:46 ` ytomino
2011-09-17 19:41 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-09-17 22:55 ` ytomino
2011-09-18 8:50 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-09-18 10:54 ` ytomino
2011-09-18 11:35 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-09-18 12:41 ` ytomino
2011-09-18 13:17 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-09-18 16:22 ` ytomino
2011-09-18 16:32 ` ytomino
2011-09-18 18:15 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-09-18 23:44 ` ytomino
2011-09-19 7:27 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-09-18 14:43 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-09-18 16:46 ` Robert A Duff
2011-09-18 18:01 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-09-18 19:20 ` Maciej Sobczak
2011-09-19 7:39 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-09-19 20:00 ` Maciej Sobczak
2011-09-20 7:33 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-09-20 15:45 ` Maciej Sobczak [this message]
2011-09-20 16:48 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-09-20 20:19 ` Maciej Sobczak
2011-09-21 7:48 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-09-21 20:51 ` Maciej Sobczak
2011-09-22 8:07 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-09-22 20:57 ` Maciej Sobczak
2011-09-23 7:59 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-09-23 10:57 ` Georg Bauhaus
2011-09-23 22:30 ` Randy Brukardt
2011-09-23 22:50 ` Randy Brukardt
2011-09-24 6:46 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-09-26 22:48 ` Randy Brukardt
2011-09-27 8:10 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-09-27 10:18 ` Georg Bauhaus
2011-09-27 12:14 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-09-27 15:11 ` Georg Bauhaus
2011-09-27 15:38 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-09-27 18:06 ` Georg Bauhaus
2011-09-27 19:06 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-09-29 0:01 ` Georg Bauhaus
2011-09-29 8:26 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-09-30 1:24 ` Randy Brukardt
2011-09-30 8:10 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-09-30 10:07 ` Georg Bauhaus
2011-09-30 12:38 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-09-30 17:40 ` Georg Bauhaus
2011-09-30 18:55 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-09-23 9:23 ` Stephen Leake
2011-09-23 9:48 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-09-23 22:42 ` Randy Brukardt
2011-09-24 6:56 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-09-26 22:43 ` Randy Brukardt
2011-09-24 10:47 ` Stephen Leake
2011-09-24 12:54 ` Simon Wright
2011-09-24 14:46 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-09-24 16:21 ` Simon Wright
2011-09-24 16:43 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-09-22 2:52 ` Randy Brukardt
2011-09-22 8:11 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-09-20 0:01 ` Randy Brukardt
2011-09-20 7:38 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-09-20 11:11 ` AdaMagica
2011-09-20 12:09 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-09-20 12:31 ` AdaMagica
2011-09-20 12:57 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-09-20 23:28 ` ytomino
2011-09-21 5:03 ` AdaMagica
2011-09-21 8:08 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-09-21 10:03 ` Georg Bauhaus
2011-09-21 10:29 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-09-22 3:21 ` Randy Brukardt
2011-09-22 3:05 ` Randy Brukardt
2011-09-19 23:35 ` Randy Brukardt
2011-09-20 21:39 ` ytomino
2011-09-22 3:32 ` Randy Brukardt
2011-09-18 16:32 ` ytomino
2011-09-19 14:46 ` ytomino
2011-09-19 15:14 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-09-19 17:49 ` ytomino
2011-09-20 7:29 ` Georg Bauhaus
2011-09-20 19:50 ` ytomino
2011-09-20 8:08 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-09-20 18:47 ` ytomino
2011-09-21 8:16 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-09-21 9:55 ` ytomino
2011-09-22 3:26 ` Randy Brukardt
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