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From: Mark Wilden <Mark@mWilden.com>
Subject: Re: Coding for Obscurity
Date: 1997/11/26
Date: 1997-11-26T00:00:00+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <347C232E.2A8C@mWilden.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 65fr08$vtu$1@flood.weeg.uiowa.edu


Robert S. White wrote:
> 
> In article <3479F8FB.2D7F@mWilden.com>, Mark@mWilden.com says...
> 
> >But ?: is not an idiom; it's a part of the language definition. I'll
> >give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that when you think it
> >through, you understand it.
> 
>   I _understood_ it in 1983.

I was talking about understanding a line of code and you're talking
about understanding a syntax element, but never mind.

> But right now in thinking about
> it, I'll say that it would have been better from a code maintenance
> point of view, that K&R had never thought of it as a convenient
> typing shortcut.  IMHO YMMV

I don't look at it like that at all. I certainly would never use it
instead of an if-statement just to save some typing (in fact, I don't
use it very often at all). C/C++ is naturally a terse language, however,
and one of the advantages of terseness, used appropriately, is the
ability to let the reader "chunk" in order to understand the code
faster. Terseness also can have maintenance benefits, in reducing
duplication.

For example, here's a case where I used the conditional operator
recently:

  EnableMenuItem(hGameMenu, ID_NEWLIFE,
    (CanBeReborn() ? MF_ENABLED : MF_GRAYED) | MF_BYCOMMAND);

I think this is easier to read and maintain than either

  // redundant--bad for maintenance
  if (CanBeReborn())
     EnableMenuItem(hGameMenu, ID_NEWLIFE, MF_ENABLED | MF_BYCOMMAND);
  else
     EnableMenuItem(hGameMenu, ID_NEWLIFE, MF_GRAYED | MF_BYCOMMAND);

or

 // wordy--takes longer to read and understand
 // reader may wonder if flag is used further down
 unsigned flag;
 if (CanBeReborn())
    flag = MF_ENABLED;
 else
    flag = MF_GRAYED;
 EnableMenuItem(hGameMenu, ID_NEWLIFE, flag | MF_BYCOMMAND);




  parent reply	other threads:[~1997-11-26  0:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 147+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <343fbb5a.0@news.iprolink.ch>
1997-10-11  0:00 ` Programming language vote - results Gary L. Scott
1997-10-12  0:00   ` Jack Rudd
1997-10-13  0:00     ` Robert Munck
1997-10-13  0:00       ` Gary L. Scott
1997-10-13  0:00       ` Jack Rudd
1997-10-13  0:00     ` safetran
1997-10-13  0:00       ` FRS DES
1997-10-13  0:00       ` Jack Rudd
1997-10-14  0:00         ` Philip Brashear
1997-10-14  0:00           ` Gary L. Scott
1997-10-13  0:00     ` Gary L. Scott
     [not found]     ` <3442B745.5352@lmco.com>
1997-10-15  0:00       ` Gary L. Scott
1997-10-16  0:00       ` James Giles
1997-10-16  0:00         ` Andrew Haley
1997-10-13  0:00   ` Matthew Heaney
1997-10-14  0:00     ` Gary L. Scott
1997-10-13  0:00   ` Robert S. White
1997-10-13  0:00     ` Gary L. Scott
1997-10-13  0:00   ` David Ness
1997-10-14  0:00     ` Jan Karman
1997-10-15  0:00       ` Alan E & Carmel J Brain
1997-10-15  0:00         ` D'Arcy J.M. Cain
1997-10-15  0:00           ` FRS DES
1997-10-15  0:00           ` Mark Stephen
1997-10-17  0:00             ` Randy MacDonald
1997-10-16  0:00           ` Alan E & Carmel J Brain
1997-10-16  0:00             ` John Sullivan
1997-10-17  0:00               ` Alan E & Carmel J Brain
1997-10-17  0:00                 ` John Sullivan
1997-10-17  0:00               ` Randy MacDonald
1997-10-16  0:00             ` FRS DES
1997-10-17  0:00               ` Jerry van Dijk
1997-10-17  0:00             ` Randy MacDonald
1997-10-20  0:00               ` Alan E & Carmel J Brain
1997-10-20  0:00                 ` Lawrence Kirby
1997-10-20  0:00                   ` Kaz
1997-10-21  0:00                     ` Alan E & Carmel J Brain
1997-10-23  0:00                     ` Ada Readability (Re: Programming language vote - results) Ray Blaak
1997-10-21  0:00                   ` Programming language vote - results Alan E & Carmel J Brain
1997-10-20  0:00                 ` FRS DES
1997-10-21  0:00                   ` Alan E & Carmel J Brain
1997-10-21  0:00                 ` Randy MacDonald
1997-10-22  0:00                   ` Don Guinn
     [not found]                     ` <01bce1bf$5c2baaa0$95b66bcf@dkelly.ark.com>
1997-10-29  0:00                       ` FRS DES
1997-10-29  0:00                       ` Don Guinn
1997-10-29  0:00                         ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
1997-10-31  0:00                         ` Documenting Code (was:Programming language vote - results) Alan E & Carmel J Brain
1997-10-30  0:00                           ` Charles Lin
1997-10-30  0:00                             ` James L. Ryan
1997-10-31  0:00                               ` Robert Bernecky
1997-10-31  0:00                             ` Robert Bernecky
1997-11-01  0:00                           ` Randy MacDonald
1997-11-01  0:00                             ` Robert Dewar
1997-11-03  0:00                               ` Jon S Anthony
1997-10-29  0:00                     ` Programming language vote - results Randy MacDonald
1997-10-25  0:00                   ` Alan E & Carmel J Brain
1997-10-26  0:00                     ` functionality of Java (was Re: Programming language vote - results) Randy MacDonald
1997-10-23  0:00                 ` Programming language vote - results Jack Rudd
1997-10-25  0:00                   ` Alan E & Carmel J Brain
1997-10-25  0:00                     ` Kaz
1997-10-26  0:00                       ` FRS DES
1997-10-27  0:00                       ` Robert Bernecky
1997-10-27  0:00                         ` APL argument W. Wesley Groleau x4923
1997-10-28  0:00                           ` Randy MacDonald
1997-10-28  0:00                         ` Programming language vote - results Jan Karman
1997-10-28  0:00                           ` Robert Bernecky
1997-10-28  0:00                             ` James L. Ryan
1997-10-29  0:00                               ` Robert Bernecky
     [not found]                                 ` <bosworth-2910972044300001@access59.accsyst.com>
1997-10-30  0:00                                   ` Robert Bernecky
1997-10-30  0:00                                     ` James L. Ryan
1997-10-31  0:00                                       ` Robert Bernecky
1997-10-31  0:00                                         ` James L. Ryan
1997-10-29  0:00                     ` Jack Rudd
1997-10-25  0:00                 ` Peter Seebach
1997-11-18  0:00                   ` Ingemar Ragnemalm
1997-11-18  0:00                     ` Lawrence Kirby
1997-11-24  0:00                       ` Martin M Dowie
1997-11-25  0:00                         ` Mark Wilden
1997-11-25  0:00                           ` Martin M Dowie
1997-11-26  0:00                             ` Lawrence Kirby
1997-11-26  0:00                           ` FRS DES
1997-11-25  0:00                         ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-11-26  0:00                           ` Peter Seebach
1997-12-02  0:00                           ` ANDREAS LEITNER
1997-12-02  0:00                             ` Lawrence Kirby
1997-12-03  0:00                               ` Billy Chambless
1997-12-03  0:00                                 ` Robert Dewar
1997-12-02  0:00                             ` Robert Dewar
1997-12-05  0:00                             ` John Sullivan
1997-11-18  0:00                     ` Kevin Swan
1997-11-29  0:00                       ` Ingemar Ragnemalm
1998-09-10  0:00                         ` Steven Katz
1997-11-18  0:00                     ` firewind
1997-11-18  0:00                       ` Larry Elmore
1997-11-20  0:00                         ` firewind
1997-11-18  0:00                       ` Kevin Swan
1997-11-19  0:00                         ` Alan E & Carmel J Brain
1997-11-19  0:00                       ` Mike Smith
1997-11-19  0:00                         ` Matt
1997-11-20  0:00                         ` firewind
     [not found]                           ` <3474C71B.536B12F6@cgocable.net>
1997-11-21  0:00                             ` CVigue
1997-11-23  0:00                           ` Lawrence Kirby
1997-11-24  0:00                             ` FRS DES
1997-11-20  0:00                       ` Terry Richards
1997-11-20  0:00                         ` Andy Knight
1997-11-23  0:00                         ` Alex Krol
1997-11-25  0:00                         ` William Tanksley
1997-11-26  0:00                           ` Ron Natalie
1997-11-27  0:00                             ` William Tanksley
1997-11-27  0:00                               ` Lawrence Kirby
     [not found]                                 ` <65keij$mkd$1@nerd.apk.net>
1997-11-27  0:00                                   ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-11-28  0:00                               ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
1997-12-01  0:00                                 ` FRS DES
1997-11-20  0:00                       ` Andy Knight
1997-11-20  0:00                         ` firewind
1997-11-20  0:00                       ` Coding for Obscurity Alan E & Carmel J Brain
1997-11-20  0:00                         ` firewind
1997-11-20  0:00                           ` Jos A. Horsmeier
1997-11-20  0:00                         ` Stephan Wilms
1997-11-21  0:00                           ` Jos A. Horsmeier
1997-11-23  0:00                           ` Alex Krol
1997-11-24  0:00                             ` Jim Johnson
1997-11-24  0:00                               ` Mark Wilden
1997-11-26  0:00                                 ` Robert S. White
1997-11-26  0:00                                   ` Leon Jones
1997-11-26  0:00                                     ` Lawrence Kirby
1997-11-26  0:00                                     ` Ron Natalie
1997-11-27  0:00                                       ` Joerg Rodemann
1997-11-26  0:00                                   ` Mark Wilden [this message]
1997-11-26  0:00                                   ` Miguel Carrasquer Vidal
1997-12-01  0:00                                     ` ISONE
1997-12-01  0:00                                     ` ISONE
1997-11-27  0:00                                   ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1997-11-23  0:00                           ` Al Christians
1997-11-24  0:00                           ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1997-11-24  0:00                             ` Samuel T. Harris
1997-11-24  0:00                               ` Jon S Anthony
1997-11-25  0:00                                 ` Samuel T. Harris
1997-11-24  0:00                             ` Matt
1997-11-24  0:00                               ` Ed Falis
1997-11-19  0:00                     ` Programming language vote - results Peter Seebach
1997-11-19  0:00                     ` Alan E & Carmel J Brain
1997-10-16  0:00           ` Randy MacDonald
     [not found]           ` <01bcdad2$fa9fdf60$25a43a91@basil.omroep.nl>
1997-10-17  0:00             ` D'Arcy J.M. Cain
1997-10-17  0:00         ` Robert I. Eachus
1997-10-14  0:00     ` Randy MacDonald
1997-10-19  0:00 ` William Rapp
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