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From: "Samuel T. Harris" <s_harris@hso.link.com>
Subject: Re: Coding for Obscurity
Date: 1997/11/24
Date: 1997-11-24T00:00:00+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <347995B9.33264527@hso.link.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 65b6ns$kok$1@goanna.cs.rmit.edu.au


Richard A. O'Keefe wrote:
> =

> Stephan Wilms <Stephan.Wilms@CWA.de> writes:
> >In detail: I would reqrite the first example like this:
> =

> >    /* Sensible comment about what get's allocated. */
> >  if ( to =3D=3D NULL )
> >  {
> >    to =3D malloc( sizeof *to);
> >    if ( to =3D=3D NULL ) return NULL;
> >  }
> =

> I would be rather unhappy at _any_ of these being common in my C code.
> One thing I would very much like to have in C is a '* __nonnull__' form=
=2E
> One thing I love about LC-Lint is that it distinguishes between
>         sometype *p;            /* p should not be null */
>         sometype */*@null@*/ q; /* q may or may not be null */
> =

> The reason that I dislike the C fragment above is that when you are for=
ced
> to do manual memory management, you have to be absolutely clear about w=
ho
> `owns' a dynamically allocated object and who doesn't.  This fragment
> muddies that up.  If you could specify in the interface that to _couldn=
't_
> be NULL on entry, then you wouldn't have to patch around the problem at=

> run time.
> =

> By the way, I regard this as a defect in Ada as well.  Ada was supposed=
 to
> allow for garbage collection, but with the exception of a couple of rec=
ent
> Ada->JVM compilers, this hasn't happened.  Since you _do_ have to do ma=
nual
> memory management in practice, it is a pity that the language doesn't p=
rovide
> more compile-time help for getting it right.  Perhaps Ada 2007 could bo=
rrow a
> few ideas from LC-Lint.

Yeah, I agree that Ada 83 was very weak in "helping" with memory
management.
And Ada 95 is somewhat better in this regards (i.e. providing access
parameters eliminates many needs for access types). However, Ada 95 does
provide the storage_pool scheme where I can build whatever memory
management system I need to include whatever elaborate facilities I
desire. I'm anxious to see what storage_pools become available as
reuse components. Indeed, I've used simple storage_pools simply
to guarantee certain pointers to heterogenous types are stored
in consecutive memory. I can then send that memory block across
an interface and eliminate all the normal code associate with
staging the values into a message record for sending and extracting
the values from a received message record.

> --
> John =C6neas Byron O'Keefe; 1921/02/04-1997/09/27; TLG,TLTA,BBTNOTL.
> Richard A. O'Keefe; RMIT Comp.Sci; http://www.cs.rmit.edu.au/%7Eok

-- =

Samuel T. Harris, Senior Engineer
Hughes Training, Inc. - Houston Operations
2224 Bay Area Blvd. Houston, TX 77058-2099
"If you can make it, We can fake it!"




  parent reply	other threads:[~1997-11-24  0:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 147+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <343fbb5a.0@news.iprolink.ch>
1997-10-11  0:00 ` Programming language vote - results Gary L. Scott
1997-10-12  0:00   ` Jack Rudd
1997-10-13  0:00     ` Robert Munck
1997-10-13  0:00       ` Jack Rudd
1997-10-13  0:00       ` Gary L. Scott
1997-10-13  0:00     ` safetran
1997-10-13  0:00       ` FRS DES
1997-10-13  0:00       ` Jack Rudd
1997-10-14  0:00         ` Philip Brashear
1997-10-14  0:00           ` Gary L. Scott
1997-10-13  0:00     ` Gary L. Scott
     [not found]     ` <3442B745.5352@lmco.com>
1997-10-15  0:00       ` Gary L. Scott
1997-10-16  0:00       ` James Giles
1997-10-16  0:00         ` Andrew Haley
1997-10-13  0:00   ` Robert S. White
1997-10-13  0:00     ` Gary L. Scott
1997-10-13  0:00   ` Matthew Heaney
1997-10-14  0:00     ` Gary L. Scott
1997-10-13  0:00   ` David Ness
1997-10-14  0:00     ` Randy MacDonald
1997-10-14  0:00     ` Jan Karman
1997-10-15  0:00       ` Alan E & Carmel J Brain
1997-10-15  0:00         ` D'Arcy J.M. Cain
1997-10-15  0:00           ` Mark Stephen
1997-10-17  0:00             ` Randy MacDonald
1997-10-15  0:00           ` FRS DES
1997-10-16  0:00           ` Randy MacDonald
1997-10-16  0:00           ` Alan E & Carmel J Brain
1997-10-16  0:00             ` FRS DES
1997-10-17  0:00               ` Jerry van Dijk
1997-10-16  0:00             ` John Sullivan
1997-10-17  0:00               ` Alan E & Carmel J Brain
1997-10-17  0:00                 ` John Sullivan
1997-10-17  0:00               ` Randy MacDonald
1997-10-17  0:00             ` Randy MacDonald
1997-10-20  0:00               ` Alan E & Carmel J Brain
1997-10-20  0:00                 ` FRS DES
1997-10-21  0:00                   ` Alan E & Carmel J Brain
1997-10-20  0:00                 ` Lawrence Kirby
1997-10-20  0:00                   ` Kaz
1997-10-21  0:00                     ` Alan E & Carmel J Brain
1997-10-23  0:00                     ` Ada Readability (Re: Programming language vote - results) Ray Blaak
1997-10-21  0:00                   ` Programming language vote - results Alan E & Carmel J Brain
1997-10-21  0:00                 ` Randy MacDonald
1997-10-22  0:00                   ` Don Guinn
1997-10-29  0:00                     ` Randy MacDonald
     [not found]                     ` <01bce1bf$5c2baaa0$95b66bcf@dkelly.ark.com>
1997-10-29  0:00                       ` FRS DES
1997-10-29  0:00                       ` Don Guinn
1997-10-29  0:00                         ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
1997-10-31  0:00                         ` Documenting Code (was:Programming language vote - results) Alan E & Carmel J Brain
1997-10-30  0:00                           ` Charles Lin
1997-10-30  0:00                             ` James L. Ryan
1997-10-31  0:00                               ` Robert Bernecky
1997-10-31  0:00                             ` Robert Bernecky
1997-11-01  0:00                           ` Randy MacDonald
1997-11-01  0:00                             ` Robert Dewar
1997-11-03  0:00                               ` Jon S Anthony
1997-10-25  0:00                   ` Programming language vote - results Alan E & Carmel J Brain
1997-10-26  0:00                     ` functionality of Java (was Re: Programming language vote - results) Randy MacDonald
1997-10-23  0:00                 ` Programming language vote - results Jack Rudd
1997-10-25  0:00                   ` Alan E & Carmel J Brain
1997-10-25  0:00                     ` Kaz
1997-10-26  0:00                       ` FRS DES
1997-10-27  0:00                       ` Robert Bernecky
1997-10-27  0:00                         ` APL argument W. Wesley Groleau x4923
1997-10-28  0:00                           ` Randy MacDonald
1997-10-28  0:00                         ` Programming language vote - results Jan Karman
1997-10-28  0:00                           ` Robert Bernecky
1997-10-28  0:00                             ` James L. Ryan
1997-10-29  0:00                               ` Robert Bernecky
     [not found]                                 ` <bosworth-2910972044300001@access59.accsyst.com>
1997-10-30  0:00                                   ` Robert Bernecky
1997-10-30  0:00                                     ` James L. Ryan
1997-10-31  0:00                                       ` Robert Bernecky
1997-10-31  0:00                                         ` James L. Ryan
1997-10-29  0:00                     ` Jack Rudd
1997-10-25  0:00                 ` Peter Seebach
1997-11-18  0:00                   ` Ingemar Ragnemalm
1997-11-18  0:00                     ` firewind
1997-11-18  0:00                       ` Larry Elmore
1997-11-20  0:00                         ` firewind
1997-11-18  0:00                       ` Kevin Swan
1997-11-19  0:00                         ` Alan E & Carmel J Brain
1997-11-19  0:00                       ` Mike Smith
1997-11-19  0:00                         ` Matt
1997-11-20  0:00                         ` firewind
     [not found]                           ` <3474C71B.536B12F6@cgocable.net>
1997-11-21  0:00                             ` CVigue
1997-11-23  0:00                           ` Lawrence Kirby
1997-11-24  0:00                             ` FRS DES
1997-11-20  0:00                       ` Terry Richards
1997-11-20  0:00                         ` Andy Knight
1997-11-23  0:00                         ` Alex Krol
1997-11-25  0:00                         ` William Tanksley
1997-11-26  0:00                           ` Ron Natalie
1997-11-27  0:00                             ` William Tanksley
1997-11-27  0:00                               ` Lawrence Kirby
     [not found]                                 ` <65keij$mkd$1@nerd.apk.net>
1997-11-27  0:00                                   ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-11-28  0:00                               ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
1997-12-01  0:00                                 ` FRS DES
1997-11-20  0:00                       ` Coding for Obscurity Alan E & Carmel J Brain
1997-11-20  0:00                         ` firewind
1997-11-20  0:00                           ` Jos A. Horsmeier
1997-11-20  0:00                         ` Stephan Wilms
1997-11-21  0:00                           ` Jos A. Horsmeier
1997-11-23  0:00                           ` Alex Krol
1997-11-24  0:00                             ` Jim Johnson
1997-11-24  0:00                               ` Mark Wilden
1997-11-26  0:00                                 ` Robert S. White
1997-11-26  0:00                                   ` Leon Jones
1997-11-26  0:00                                     ` Lawrence Kirby
1997-11-26  0:00                                     ` Ron Natalie
1997-11-27  0:00                                       ` Joerg Rodemann
1997-11-26  0:00                                   ` Miguel Carrasquer Vidal
1997-12-01  0:00                                     ` ISONE
1997-12-01  0:00                                     ` ISONE
1997-11-26  0:00                                   ` Mark Wilden
1997-11-27  0:00                                   ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1997-11-23  0:00                           ` Al Christians
1997-11-24  0:00                           ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1997-11-24  0:00                             ` Matt
1997-11-24  0:00                               ` Ed Falis
1997-11-24  0:00                             ` Samuel T. Harris [this message]
1997-11-24  0:00                               ` Jon S Anthony
1997-11-25  0:00                                 ` Samuel T. Harris
1997-11-20  0:00                       ` Programming language vote - results Andy Knight
1997-11-20  0:00                         ` firewind
1997-11-18  0:00                     ` Kevin Swan
1997-11-29  0:00                       ` Ingemar Ragnemalm
1998-09-10  0:00                         ` Steven Katz
1997-11-18  0:00                     ` Lawrence Kirby
1997-11-24  0:00                       ` Martin M Dowie
1997-11-25  0:00                         ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-11-26  0:00                           ` Peter Seebach
1997-12-02  0:00                           ` ANDREAS LEITNER
1997-12-02  0:00                             ` Robert Dewar
1997-12-02  0:00                             ` Lawrence Kirby
1997-12-03  0:00                               ` Billy Chambless
1997-12-03  0:00                                 ` Robert Dewar
1997-12-05  0:00                             ` John Sullivan
1997-11-25  0:00                         ` Mark Wilden
1997-11-25  0:00                           ` Martin M Dowie
1997-11-26  0:00                             ` Lawrence Kirby
1997-11-26  0:00                           ` FRS DES
1997-11-19  0:00                     ` Alan E & Carmel J Brain
1997-11-19  0:00                     ` Peter Seebach
     [not found]           ` <01bcdad2$fa9fdf60$25a43a91@basil.omroep.nl>
1997-10-17  0:00             ` D'Arcy J.M. Cain
1997-10-17  0:00         ` Robert I. Eachus
1997-10-19  0:00 ` William Rapp
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