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From: "Marc A. Criley" <mcNOSPAM@mckae.com>
Subject: Re: GNAT GPL 2005 Edition is now available
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 13:12:38 -0500
Date: 2005-09-16T13:12:38-05:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3467d$432b0af1$49956f8$22115@ALLTEL.NET> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <bFCWe.24901$QB2.5887@reader1.news.jippii.net>

Tapio Kelloniemi wrote:

> Many people have said that what AdaCore has done is not good for the image
> of Ada. I ask, isn't that bad for Ada's image that although new Ada2005
> features are available in GNAT GPL, they are not provided for Free
> Software developers (in Debian or other distros). Generally people are
> lazy (or unable) to install software themselves (even from third-party
> provided binaries) and when searching for a language, they just choose C++
> instead, since the most featureful (and stable) Ada compiler is not
> available. Those who have voted against GNAT GPL seem not to be mostly
> free software developers, but I think that Debian should consider
> free software developers as the primary target of their distribution, since
> its free.

I think there are two motivations at work here.  One is the Stallman/FSF 
philosophy of Free (libre) software, as licensed by the GPL.  The other, 
here in this newsgroup anyway, is Ada advocacy.

Now I'm all for the GPL, I wish all the software in the world was under 
the GPL.  But it isn't, and truth be told, of the multi-billion dollar 
software industry very little of that software is GPLed.  (I don't want 
to haggle over the percentage, but think about this:  what is the nature 
of the licensing of most of the software that most businesses, your 
friends, and family are using?  And where are they getting it?  I doubt 
it's GPL, and I doubt they're downloading it from CVS repositories.)

So if you want to market a software product, you have to go to where the 
money is, and that means customers with proprietary concerns.

Trying to sell them a software tool or utility, or give it to them and 
sell support, that would force them to GPL their own code is just going 
to be a non-starter in an overwhelming number of instances.

So if you want to sell them an Ada tool, to enhance or encourage a 
customer company's use of Ada, the last thing you want to do is tell 
them they have to change or set the licensing of their products to be 
GPL compatible.  They're not going to do that, so they're not going to 
gain the advantages of your product, and so why bother with Ada anyway 
any more, since Visual Studio C++ or C# or Java doesn't force them to do 
anything like that?

GPL-GNAT appears to be promoting the Free agenda over the Ada advocacy 
agenda, which is the problem the OMSs (One-Man-Shops) here are having 
with it.  It's hard enough selling just Ada, without also having to sell 
the GPL to commercial, proprietary companies.

-- Marc A. Criley
-- McKae Technologies
-- www.mckae.com
-- DTraq - XPath In Ada - XML EZ Out



  reply	other threads:[~2005-09-16 18:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 203+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-09-15  6:50 GNAT GPL 2005 Edition is now available Jamie Ayre
2005-09-15  7:34 ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2005-09-15  8:44   ` Ludovic Brenta
2005-09-15  9:27     ` Martin Dowie
2005-09-15 10:03       ` Ludovic Brenta
2005-09-15  9:33     ` Brian May
2005-09-15 10:15       ` Ludovic Brenta
2005-09-15 22:58         ` Brian May
2005-09-15  9:39     ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2005-09-15 10:50     ` Samuel Tardieu
2005-09-15 11:19       ` Stephane Riviere
2005-09-15 11:30     ` GtkAda and GPL/GMGPL, was: Re: GNAT GPL 2005 Edition is Simon Clubley
2005-09-15 11:42       ` Ludovic Brenta
2005-09-15 12:00     ` GNAT GPL 2005 Edition is now available Samuel Tardieu
2005-09-15 12:44       ` Ludovic Brenta
2005-09-15 12:55         ` Samuel Tardieu
2005-09-15 13:37       ` Samuel Tardieu
2005-09-18 15:24       ` Florian Weimer
2005-09-15 13:01     ` Dr. Adrian Wrigley
2005-09-15 15:39       ` Martin Dowie
2005-09-15 16:09         ` Larry Kilgallen
2005-09-15 17:27       ` Dr. Adrian Wrigley
2005-09-15 23:26         ` Jeff Creem
2005-09-16  0:02           ` Dr. Adrian Wrigley
2005-09-16  1:37             ` Jeff Creem
2005-09-16 15:16           ` Jeffrey Carter
2005-09-15 14:27     ` Ludovic Brenta
2005-09-15 15:35       ` Andreas Schwarz
2005-09-15 16:44         ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-09-15 17:05           ` Niklas Holsti
2005-09-15 17:17           ` Adrien Plisson
2005-09-15 18:08             ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-09-15 20:39               ` almost free development tools (Was: GNAT GPL 2005 Edition is now available) Adrien Plisson
2005-09-15 18:18           ` GNAT GPL 2005 Edition is now available Martin Krischik
2005-09-18 16:10           ` Florian Weimer
2005-09-15 18:14         ` Martin Krischik
2005-09-15 22:59           ` Andreas Schwarz
2005-09-15 17:20       ` Simon Clubley
2005-09-15 17:43       ` chris
2005-09-15 18:58       ` Ludovic Brenta
2005-09-15 21:08         ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-09-15 21:24           ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-09-18 16:10             ` Florian Weimer
2005-09-19 12:44               ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-09-19 16:08                 ` Pascal Obry
2005-09-19 16:20                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-09-15 21:25           ` Tapio Kelloniemi
2005-09-15 21:28             ` Tapio Kelloniemi
2005-09-16  8:28               ` Ludovic Brenta
2005-09-16 10:41                 ` Tapio Kelloniemi
2005-09-18 16:01           ` Florian Weimer
2005-09-15 23:21         ` GNAT GPL 2005 Edition is now available - A Vote and some other comments Jeff Creem
2005-09-18 15:48         ` GNAT GPL 2005 Edition is now available Florian Weimer
2005-09-18 18:10           ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2005-09-15 20:32       ` Tapio Kelloniemi
2005-09-16 12:36       ` xavier
2005-09-16 21:57       ` Björn Persson
2005-09-17 10:05         ` [OT] Reasons for using Debian (Was: GNAT GPL 2005 Edition is now available) Jacob Sparre Andersen
2005-09-17 17:41           ` Björn Persson
2005-09-18 16:17           ` [OT] Reasons for using Debian Florian Weimer
2005-09-18 15:42       ` GNAT GPL 2005 Edition is now available Florian Weimer
2005-09-18 16:15         ` Ludovic Brenta
2005-09-18 16:39           ` Florian Weimer
2005-09-18 17:05             ` Ludovic Brenta
2005-09-20  9:50               ` Florian Weimer
2005-09-20 10:28                 ` Ludovic Brenta
2005-09-18 17:32             ` Martin Krischik
2005-09-18 18:25           ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2005-09-18 21:19             ` Ludovic Brenta
2005-09-19 13:06               ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2005-09-15 16:01     ` Niklas Holsti
2005-09-15 16:27     ` Jeffrey Carter
2005-09-15 16:59       ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-09-15 18:42       ` Ludovic Brenta
2005-09-16  9:17     ` David Trudgett
2005-09-16 14:15     ` Ludovic Brenta
2005-09-18 13:13     ` Ludovic Brenta
2005-09-18 17:24       ` Florian Weimer
2005-09-19 14:12       ` Marc A. Criley
2005-09-20  5:09         ` Ludovic Brenta
2005-09-18 18:59     ` Niklas Holsti
2005-09-18 21:27       ` Ludovic Brenta
2005-09-19  7:23         ` Brian May
2005-09-19  7:49         ` Samuel Tardieu
2005-09-15  8:10 ` David Trudgett
2005-09-15  8:50   ` Ludovic Brenta
2005-09-15  8:56     ` wojtek
2005-09-15 18:08       ` Martin Krischik
2005-09-15 20:09         ` Samuel Tardieu
2005-09-15 22:33           ` Björn Persson
2005-09-15 23:13             ` Samuel Tardieu
2005-09-18 15:30           ` Florian Weimer
2005-09-19  7:56             ` Samuel Tardieu
2005-09-19 12:46               ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2005-09-19 20:08                 ` Björn Persson
2005-09-19 21:23             ` Björn Persson
2005-09-19 23:05         ` wojtek
2005-09-19 23:55           ` Larry Kilgallen
2005-09-21  7:17             ` Preben Randhol
2005-09-21 12:26               ` Larry Kilgallen
2005-09-21 13:22                 ` Preben Randhol
2005-09-20 13:50           ` Steve
2005-09-20 18:01             ` Ludovic Brenta
2005-09-20 19:10               ` Larry Kilgallen
2005-09-20 19:17                 ` Ludovic Brenta
2005-09-21  2:22               ` Steve
2005-09-21  4:48               ` Steve Whalen
2005-09-21 23:30           ` chris
2005-09-27  9:28             ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2005-09-15 18:06     ` Martin Krischik
2005-09-15 19:34       ` Martin Dowie
2005-09-15 20:14       ` Samuel Tardieu
2005-09-21  7:27         ` Preben Randhol
2005-09-21  7:57           ` Samuel Tardieu
2005-09-21  7:58           ` Brian May
2005-09-15 11:55   ` Jeff Creem
2005-09-16  8:36     ` David Trudgett
2005-09-16 10:14       ` Larry Kilgallen
2005-09-16 10:56         ` Ludovic Brenta
2005-09-16 12:20           ` Samuel Tardieu
2005-09-16 12:59             ` Ludovic Brenta
2005-09-16 13:58               ` Niklas Holsti
2005-09-16 15:37               ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-09-17 14:09                 ` Ludovic Brenta
2005-09-16 16:45               ` Tapio Kelloniemi
2005-09-16 18:12                 ` Marc A. Criley [this message]
2005-09-17  6:58                   ` Martin Dowie
2005-09-17 10:20                     ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2005-09-17 12:47                       ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-09-17 13:37                         ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2005-09-17 14:17                       ` Martin Krischik
2005-09-17 17:42                         ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2005-09-17 17:48                           ` Ludovic Brenta
2005-09-17 18:41                             ` Ludovic Brenta
2005-09-17 19:06                             ` Björn Persson
2005-09-17 20:39                               ` Ludovic Brenta
2005-09-17 22:59                                 ` Björn Persson
2005-09-17 23:32                                   ` tmoran
2005-09-18  0:25                                     ` Brian May
2005-09-18 15:35                           ` Florian Weimer
2005-09-17 13:08                     ` Marc A. Criley
2005-09-17 14:44                       ` Martin Dowie
2005-09-17 16:19                       ` Martin Dowie
2005-09-19 19:22                       ` Marc A. Criley
2005-09-21  7:57                     ` Preben Randhol
2005-09-21  8:25                       ` Niklas Holsti
2005-09-21  8:39                       ` Martin Dowie
2005-09-21  8:59                         ` Niklas Holsti
2005-09-21 11:02                           ` Martin Dowie
2005-09-21 13:20                             ` Alex R. Mosteo
2005-09-21 17:29                             ` Jeffrey Carter
2005-09-21 20:26                               ` Martin Dowie
2005-10-07  0:56                             ` Randy Brukardt
2005-09-21 13:47                       ` Marc A. Criley
2005-09-19  1:20                   ` chrismiller677
2005-09-19 11:24                     ` Brian May
2005-09-19 13:19                       ` Martin Dowie
2005-09-19 13:35                         ` Martin Dowie
2005-09-19 13:38                       ` Dirk Craeynest
2005-09-19 14:49                         ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-09-19 19:17                         ` Björn Persson
2005-09-19 11:39                     ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-09-21  7:56                   ` Preben Randhol
2005-09-21  8:03                     ` Samuel Tardieu
2005-09-21 10:57                       ` Preben Randhol
2005-09-21 10:58                         ` Preben Randhol
2005-09-21 12:11                         ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2005-09-21 12:32                           ` Hyman Rosen
2005-09-21 13:03                             ` Samuel Tardieu
2005-09-21 13:16                           ` Preben Randhol
2005-09-21 13:49                             ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2005-09-21 20:30                           ` Tapio Kelloniemi
2005-09-21 17:27                         ` Jeffrey Carter
2005-09-21 19:11                           ` Pascal Obry
2005-09-16 20:31               ` Björn Persson
2005-09-17  2:51               ` David Trudgett
2005-09-17  5:56                 ` Simon Wright
2005-09-17 14:31                 ` Ludovic Brenta
2005-09-17 15:55                   ` Martin Krischik
2005-09-16 13:26             ` Stephane Riviere
2005-09-16 15:44             ` Jeffrey Carter
2005-09-19  6:47               ` Steve Whalen
2005-09-19 23:49           ` wojtek
2005-09-20  0:06             ` wojtek
2005-09-19 12:57         ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2005-09-16 10:56       ` Jeff Creem
2005-09-16 14:19         ` Marc A. Criley
2005-09-16 20:27         ` Björn Persson
2005-09-20  1:22         ` David Trudgett
2005-09-20  8:36           ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-09-20 12:02           ` Hyman Rosen
2005-09-15  8:49 ` wojtek
2005-09-15 13:18   ` Thomas Quinot
2005-09-15 10:30 ` Brian May
2005-09-15 10:54   ` Friess Michael
2005-09-15 22:17     ` Brian May
2005-09-15 22:31       ` Britt Snodgrass
2005-09-15 15:11 ` Larry Kilgallen
2005-09-15 15:20   ` Ludovic Brenta
2005-09-15 16:08     ` Larry Kilgallen
2005-09-15 17:53     ` Simon Clubley
2005-09-15 22:10 ` Björn Persson
2005-09-15 23:19   ` Samuel Tardieu
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