From: Bob Horvath <bob@horvath.com>
Subject: Re: Yet another stupid language war (was: ... the only languages you need!!)
Date: 1997/10/31
Date: 1997-10-31T00:00:00+00:00 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <345AAAF5.199FEDD3@horvath.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 63d34m$ap7$1@darla.visi.com
Peter Seebach wrote:
> In article <345947D2.D20EF8E9@horvath.com>,
> Bob Horvath <bob@horvath.com> wrote:
> >I have heard of an Ada to Java bytecode compiler, so now I guess you can have
> >Ada everywhere!
>
> Java only runs on a smallish number of popular desktop platforms.
>
> >> Java is intended to produce executables and programs which are portable
> >> across all implementations; this does not necessarily make it a widely
> >> portable language.
>
> >I don't understand this statement.
>
> There are not implementations for some platforms, so, even if a program
> runs on all java implementations, it may not run on all that many different
> platforms.
Got it now. Thanks.
>
>
> >> Speak for C++. :) C has a bit of history, but is really fairly
> >> consistent. :)
>
> >Hmmmm. How big is an int?
>
> Do you want storage space or range? Storage space is 'sizeof(int)',
> range is [INT_MIN, INT_MAX].
Range. I want something that maps directly onto the problem domain. Isn't that
what all of this OOD paradigm is all about? If I need somethat goes from
> C is portable in a way unlike the way Java is. Code that doesn't need
> to know what size an int is can be portable among all implementations.
I would agree with you that Java has solved a portability problem by specifying
the size of integer types, but I think the Ada method of having types based on
ranges is a better way of doing things. I would disagree that code that doesn't
need to know the size of an int can be portable among all implementations. The
size of an int defines the range of values that will behave predictably. Change
to an implementation that changes the size of an int, and the type definition has
just changed.
> Code which needs a specific size of object is frequently intrinsically
> not portable by nature. C wouldn't want to offer you a guaranteed, 32
> bit type, because that might be horrendously inefficient on a 36-bit machine.
> :)
I can't think of many problem domains that require an integer to be a certain
size. Most problem domains require that a numeric value be capable of
representing a certain range of values.
A guaranteed 32 bit integer in C would be welcome (which is why they have defined
integer sizes in Java). If you assume an int is 32 bits, then it will break on a
machine that defines it as 16 bits, and if signed, might sign extend differently
on a 64 bit machine.
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1997-10-28 0:00 ` ADA SUCKS, C/C++/JAVA RULES!!!! John Black
1997-10-28 0:00 ` Adam Beneschan
1997-10-30 0:00 ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
1997-10-28 0:00 ` John Bode
1997-11-03 0:00 ` vonhend
1997-10-28 0:00 ` Kenneth W. Sodemann
1997-10-28 0:00 ` Kenneth W. Sodemann
1997-10-28 0:00 ` Kenneth W. Sodemann
1997-10-28 0:00 ` Steve Ropa
1997-10-28 0:00 ` Current Ada strengths - was " Robert S. White
1997-10-29 0:00 ` Steve Ropa
1997-10-30 0:00 ` Bob Horvath
1997-10-30 0:00 ` Charles Hixson
1997-10-30 0:00 ` Derek A Benner
1997-10-30 0:00 ` Larry Kilgallen
1997-10-30 0:00 ` Kaz Kylheku
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1997-10-30 0:00 ` Bob Horvath
1997-10-31 0:00 ` Kenneth W. Sodemann
1997-10-31 0:00 ` David A. Frantz
1997-10-31 0:00 ` Steve Ropa
1997-10-30 0:00 ` Steve Ropa
1997-10-31 0:00 ` Robert S. White
1997-10-31 0:00 ` Steve Ropa
1997-10-31 0:00 ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
1997-10-28 0:00 ` Charles R. Lyttle
1997-10-30 0:00 ` Kenneth W. Sodemann
1997-10-30 0:00 ` ADA work, C/C++/JAVA crashes!!!! Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
1997-10-30 0:00 ` ADA SUCKS, C/C++/JAVA RULES!!!! Kenneth W. Sodemann
1997-12-04 0:00 ` tbb03ar
1997-10-28 0:00 ` Kenneth W. Sodemann
1997-10-28 0:00 ` Shayne Flint
1997-10-28 0:00 ` Dennis Weldy
1997-10-29 0:00 ` Alan E & Carmel J Brain
1997-10-29 0:00 ` CodeRed
1997-10-30 0:00 ` Alan Brain
1997-10-28 0:00 ` John Black
1997-10-28 0:00 ` ADA and Pascal SUCK, C,C++, and Java are the only languages you need!! John Black
1997-10-28 0:00 ` David A. Frantz
1997-10-29 0:00 ` Shombe Kroll
1997-10-29 0:00 ` John Black
1997-11-03 0:00 ` Olof Oberg
1997-10-29 0:00 ` Mike Copeland
1997-10-29 0:00 ` John Bode
1997-10-30 0:00 ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-11-01 0:00 ` Gary A. Wiltshire
1997-10-29 0:00 ` Nat Pryce
1997-10-31 0:00 ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1997-10-29 0:00 ` John Black
1997-10-29 0:00 ` ADA SUCKS, C/C++/JAVA RULES!!!! Dale Stanbrough
1997-10-29 0:00 ` Wasted words W. Wesley Groleau x4923
1997-10-29 0:00 ` ADA and Pascal SUCK, C,C++, and Java are the only languages you need!! Mike Copeland
1997-10-29 0:00 ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-10-30 0:00 ` ADA and Pascal work, C,C++, and Java are the only lheadaches " Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
1997-11-06 0:00 ` John Stevens
1997-11-06 0:00 ` Samuel Tardieu
1997-11-07 0:00 ` John Stevens
1997-11-06 0:00 ` David Weller
1997-11-06 0:00 ` Charles R. Lyttle
1997-11-07 0:00 ` John Stevens
1997-11-08 0:00 ` Charles R. Lyttle
1997-11-08 0:00 ` Mark Wilden
1997-11-08 0:00 ` ADA ,Pascal, and Basic ROCK! C,C++, and Java are nothing " John Rickard
1997-10-30 0:00 ` Yet another stupid language war (was: ... the only languages you need!!) W. Wesley Groleau x4923
1997-10-30 0:00 ` Al Christians
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1997-10-31 0:00 ` Jerry Sams
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1997-11-02 0:00 ` Jerry Sams
1997-10-31 0:00 ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
1997-11-02 0:00 ` Jerry Sams
1997-11-01 0:00 ` Yet another stupid language war (was: ... the only langu Jerry van Dijk
1997-12-05 0:00 ` Yet another stupid language war (was: ... the only languages you need!!) baddog
1997-10-30 0:00 ` Peter Seebach
1997-10-30 0:00 ` Bob Horvath
1997-10-31 0:00 ` Peter Seebach
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1997-11-01 0:00 ` Dr John Stockton
1997-11-02 0:00 ` Simon Wright
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1997-12-01 0:00 ` Larry Elmore
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1997-11-24 0:00 ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1997-11-27 0:00 ` Matt Osborne
1997-12-03 0:00 ` ANDREAS LEITNER
[not found] ` <64vl4h$3qh@bgtn <34747E35.79AE@no_spam.ip.edu.com>
1997-11-20 0:00 ` G Moore (was Re: Your english sucks, mine is better.) Kaz Kylheku
1997-11-21 0:00 ` Robert S. White
1997-11-21 0:00 ` Kevin Davis Sr.
[not found] ` <64vl4h$3qh@bgtn <652aes$63a$1@news01.micron.net>
1997-11-23 0:00 ` Your english sucks, mine is better John Winters
1997-11-19 0:00 ` English SUCKS, Chinese is the only language you need!! Jean-Sebastien Payette
1997-11-19 0:00 ` Chuck Adams
1997-11-19 0:00 ` J. W. Rider
1997-11-24 0:00 ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1997-11-19 0:00 ` system
1997-11-24 0:00 ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1997-11-19 0:00 ` Cynthia & Bill
1997-11-19 0:00 ` tmt
1997-11-19 0:00 ` Mark Wilden
1997-11-28 0:00 ` Ingemar Ragnemalm
1997-11-29 0:00 ` Danette & Murray Root
1997-12-02 0:00 ` Morgan Palaeo Associates
1997-12-05 0:00 ` R.E.Donais
1997-12-03 0:00 ` Matt Corey
1997-11-19 0:00 ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-11-21 0:00 ` Jerry Sams
1997-11-18 0:00 ` Mark Wilden
1997-11-19 0:00 ` Les Hazlewood
1997-11-19 0:00 ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-11-19 0:00 ` system
1997-11-19 0:00 ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-11-20 0:00 ` Boyd Roberts
1997-11-19 0:00 ` Matt Corey
1997-11-29 0:00 ` D. Ross
1997-11-29 0:00 ` Spaceman Spiff
1997-11-29 0:00 ` Mark Wilden
1997-12-02 0:00 ` William Rapp
1997-11-26 0:00 ` michael j tobler
1997-11-19 0:00 ` Mark Wilden
1997-12-17 0:00 ` Jeffrey George
1997-12-17 0:00 ` Mark Wilden
1997-11-27 0:00 ` Denny
1997-11-18 0:00 ` Chieh Cheng
1997-11-19 0:00 ` John Rickard
[not found] ` <01bcf51e$35e2a0c0$0200000a@kld_mcs>
1997-11-19 0:00 ` John Rickard
1997-11-19 0:00 ` Gary A. Wiltshire
1997-11-19 0:00 ` Chieh Cheng
1997-11-20 0:00 ` Mike Smith
1997-11-19 0:00 ` Dennis Weldy
1997-11-19 0:00 ` John Rickard
1997-11-21 0:00 ` Dennis Weldy
1997-11-19 0:00 ` Mike Smith
[not found] ` <64sql2$k0@ <YSQz$BJ98GA.158@news2.ingr.com>
1997-11-19 0:00 ` John R. Reagan
[not found] ` <64sql2$k0@ <3473407e.17757163@lhc.nlm.nih.gov>
1997-11-20 0:00 ` John R. Reagan
1997-11-18 0:00 ` JCore
1997-11-21 0:00 ` Jerry Sams
[not found] ` <01bcf51b$abcea520$0200000a@kld_mcs>
1997-11-19 0:00 ` system
[not found] ` <01bcf5c3$afbda340$0200000a@kld_mcs>
1997-11-20 0:00 ` Craig Franck
1997-11-19 0:00 ` Michael Rubenstein
1997-11-19 0:00 ` Mark Wilden
1997-11-20 0:00 ` Michael Rubenstein
1997-11-20 0:00 ` Peter Seebach
1997-11-20 0:00 ` Boyd Roberts
1997-11-20 0:00 ` Larry Elmore
1997-11-20 0:00 ` Joseph Santaniello
[not found] ` <34746A05.49AA@mWilden.com>
1997-11-20 0:00 ` system
1997-11-26 0:00 ` Frans E. Boone
1997-11-26 0:00 ` system
1997-11-27 0:00 ` Knochenhauer Bernd
1997-11-26 0:00 ` CERVANTES OJEDA, Jorge
1997-11-26 0:00 ` Kevin Edwards
1997-11-26 0:00 ` Peter Seebach
1997-11-25 0:00 ` Bob Bakh
1997-11-26 0:00 ` macpar
[not found] ` <01bcf5c4$5916e8c0$0200000a@kld_mcs>
[not found] ` <MPG.ede6533db8ead2b9896b3@news.mindspring.com>
1997-11-20 0:00 ` Mark Wilden
1997-11-20 0:00 ` Wei Jing Guo
1997-11-20 0:00 ` Boyd Roberts
1997-11-19 0:00 ` John Rickard
1997-11-20 0:00 ` Christer Gustavsson
1997-11-22 0:00 ` Ncp268
1997-11-24 0:00 ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1997-11-25 0:00 ` chasjt
[not found] ` <34745A75.D22E132D@zeelandnet.nl>
1997-11-20 0:00 ` John Rickard
1997-11-19 0:00 ` Mike Smith
1997-10-29 0:00 ` ADA and Pascal SUCK, C,C++, and Java are the only languages " Kaz Kylheku
1997-10-30 0:00 ` John Rickard
1997-10-29 0:00 ` Timo Salmi
1997-10-30 0:00 ` NOSPAM_f93-eaa
1997-10-30 0:00 ` Ada, Pascal, Eiffel and others Alan Brain
1997-10-30 0:00 ` tmt
1997-10-30 0:00 ` NOSPAM_f93-eaa
1997-10-31 0:00 ` geldridg
1997-11-01 0:00 ` Alan E & Carmel J Brain
1997-10-30 0:00 ` ADA and Pascal SUCK, C,C++, and Java are the only languages you need!! Dr E. Buxbaum
1997-10-30 0:00 ` Steve Ropa
1997-10-30 0:00 ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-11-05 0:00 ` John Stevens
1997-11-06 0:00 ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-11-06 0:00 ` Steve Ropa
1997-11-07 0:00 ` Craig Franck
1997-10-30 0:00 ` Corey Barcus
1997-10-31 0:00 ` Scott A. Moore
1997-10-31 0:00 ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
1997-10-31 0:00 ` Scott A. Moore
1997-11-03 0:00 ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
1997-11-01 0:00 ` Timo Salmi
1997-10-31 0:00 ` Trolling Jerry van Dijk
1997-11-03 0:00 ` Trolling Ron Thompson
1997-11-01 0:00 ` ADA and Pascal SUCK, C,C++, and Java are the only languages you need!! Gary A. Wiltshire
[not found] ` <01bcea64$dd48dba0$bf0562cb@dialup.voyager.co.nz>
1997-11-07 0:00 ` Gary A. Wiltshire
1997-11-03 0:00 ` Christopher Eltschka
1997-10-28 0:00 ` ADA SUCKS, C/C++/JAVA RULES!!!! Dann Corbit
1997-10-29 0:00 ` Adam Beneschan
1997-10-28 0:00 ` John Bode
1997-10-29 0:00 ` Philip Brashear
1997-10-29 0:00 ` BRIAN LANGENBERGER
1997-10-30 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-10-30 0:00 ` Ed Muldoon
1997-10-28 0:00 ` Kenneth W. Sodemann
1997-10-28 0:00 ` Rob Eamon
1997-10-28 0:00 ` Kenneth W. Sodemann
1997-10-28 0:00 ` Kenneth W. Sodemann
1997-10-28 0:00 ` BRIAN LANGENBERGER
1997-10-28 0:00 ` Tucker Taft
1997-10-28 0:00 ` Rob
1997-10-29 0:00 ` Nope! was " JT (from Fritz)
1997-10-29 0:00 ` Phlip C Plumlee
1997-10-30 0:00 ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-10-29 0:00 ` David A. Frantz
1997-10-31 0:00 ` Alan E & Carmel J Brain
1997-10-28 0:00 ` Kenneth W. Sodemann
1997-10-28 0:00 ` Kenneth W. Sodemann
1997-10-31 0:00 ` Ken Mays
1997-10-31 0:00 ` Charles R. Lyttle
1997-11-01 0:00 ` NOSPAM_f93-eaa
1997-11-01 0:00 ` Charles R. Lyttle
1997-11-02 0:00 ` David A. Frantz
1997-11-08 0:00 ` Charles W. Johnson
1997-11-08 0:00 ` Charles R. Lyttle
1997-11-03 0:00 ` Nick Leaton
1997-11-06 0:00 ` John Stevens
1997-11-07 0:00 ` Boyd Roberts
1997-11-07 0:00 ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-11-10 0:00 ` Charles W. Kann
1997-11-10 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-11-11 0:00 ` Matt Kennel (Remove 'NOSPAM' to reply)
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1997-11-11 0:00 ` Brian Rogoff
1997-11-11 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-11-01 0:00 ` Flame bait count 146 (Re: ADA SUCKS, C/C++/JAVA RULES!!!!) Ken Garlington
1997-11-02 0:00 ` Marcus Agrippa
1997-11-02 0:00 ` Carsten Engelmann
1997-11-02 0:00 ` ADA SUCKS, C/C++/JAVA RULES!!!! Supreme
1997-11-04 0:00 ` Alan E & Carmel J Brain
1997-11-04 0:00 ` Guest
1997-11-12 0:00 ` ADA and Pascal SUCK, C,C++, and Java are the only languages you need!! Samuel T. Harris
1997-11-12 0:00 ` Larry Elmore
1997-11-12 0:00 ` which languages suck Stanley R. Allen
1997-11-13 0:00 ` Larry Elmore
1997-11-14 0:00 ` Robert Munck
1997-11-14 0:00 ` Bjorn Vaggen Konestabo
1997-11-14 0:00 ` Russ Lyttle
1997-11-13 0:00 ` ADA and Pascal SUCK, C,C++, and Java are the only languages you need!! Jon S Anthony
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