From: "Gary L. Scott" <scottg@flash.net>
Subject: Re: Programming language vote - results
Date: 1997/10/14
Date: 1997-10-14T00:00:00+00:00 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <3443FE10.A9867B65@flash.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: mheaney-ya023680001310972137410001@news.ni.net
I guess I should clarify. The comment was not specifically about Ada,
but about inappropriate use of "OO" analysis and design to produce
unworkable code. These are far from vacuous comments.
Matthew Heaney wrote:
> In article <343FD05C.8986A557@flash.net>, scottg@flash.net wrote:
>
> >Oh the horror stories about Ada just about anyone in the defense
> >industry could tell you...(inefficiency, bloat, development delays,
> >budget overruns)...I dare you to fit a Jovial application that
> already
> >max's out a computer's capabilities in the same box using OO
> techniques
> >in Ada...In fact, multiply memory and CPU throughput by 10 and try
> it.
> >You will likely be forced to back off OO quite a bit, making an even
> >bigger mess of maintainability/reusability...
>
> This statement is obviously incorrect, as Ada's OO facilities are
> actually
> quite efficient. A type for which inheritance is available - in Ada,
> a
> "tagged" type (called a "class" in other languages) - only requires 1
> extra
> memory word to store the tag, and primitive operations (called
> "methods" in
> other languages) are bound statically by default.
>
> I have been happily programming in Ada for 10 years - by choice - but
> sorry
> to say have no "horror stories" to share with you, since my experience
> in
> Ada has only been pleasant.
>
> It may seem too fantastic to be true :-), but there are actually real
> Ada
> "success" stories! Visit the Ada home page for a list, to get a
> healthy
> dose of reality.
>
> <http://www.adahome.com>
>
> If you'd like to learn Ada, so you can avoid making vacuous comments
> about
> a language you know nothing about, you can get a free, high-quality
> Ada
> compiler, GNAT, at NYU.
>
> <ftp://ftp.cs.nyu.edu/gnat>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
> Matthew Heaney
> Software Development Consultant
> <mailto:matthew_heaney@acm.org>
> (818) 985-1271
--
Gary L. Scott
scottg@flash.net
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1997-10-11 0:00 ` Programming language vote - results Gary L. Scott
1997-10-12 0:00 ` Jack Rudd
1997-10-13 0:00 ` Gary L. Scott
1997-10-13 0:00 ` safetran
1997-10-13 0:00 ` FRS DES
1997-10-13 0:00 ` Jack Rudd
1997-10-14 0:00 ` Philip Brashear
1997-10-14 0:00 ` Gary L. Scott
1997-10-13 0:00 ` Robert Munck
1997-10-13 0:00 ` Gary L. Scott
1997-10-13 0:00 ` Jack Rudd
[not found] ` <3442B745.5352@lmco.com>
1997-10-15 0:00 ` Gary L. Scott
1997-10-16 0:00 ` James Giles
1997-10-16 0:00 ` Andrew Haley
1997-10-13 0:00 ` David Ness
1997-10-14 0:00 ` Jan Karman
1997-10-15 0:00 ` Alan E & Carmel J Brain
1997-10-15 0:00 ` D'Arcy J.M. Cain
1997-10-15 0:00 ` FRS DES
1997-10-15 0:00 ` Mark Stephen
1997-10-17 0:00 ` Randy MacDonald
1997-10-16 0:00 ` Alan E & Carmel J Brain
1997-10-16 0:00 ` John Sullivan
1997-10-17 0:00 ` Randy MacDonald
1997-10-17 0:00 ` Alan E & Carmel J Brain
1997-10-17 0:00 ` John Sullivan
1997-10-16 0:00 ` FRS DES
1997-10-17 0:00 ` Jerry van Dijk
1997-10-17 0:00 ` Randy MacDonald
1997-10-20 0:00 ` Alan E & Carmel J Brain
1997-10-20 0:00 ` FRS DES
1997-10-21 0:00 ` Alan E & Carmel J Brain
1997-10-20 0:00 ` Lawrence Kirby
1997-10-20 0:00 ` Kaz
1997-10-21 0:00 ` Alan E & Carmel J Brain
1997-10-23 0:00 ` Ada Readability (Re: Programming language vote - results) Ray Blaak
1997-10-21 0:00 ` Programming language vote - results Alan E & Carmel J Brain
1997-10-21 0:00 ` Randy MacDonald
1997-10-22 0:00 ` Don Guinn
1997-10-29 0:00 ` Randy MacDonald
[not found] ` <01bce1bf$5c2baaa0$95b66bcf@dkelly.ark.com>
1997-10-29 0:00 ` FRS DES
1997-10-29 0:00 ` Don Guinn
1997-10-29 0:00 ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
1997-10-31 0:00 ` Documenting Code (was:Programming language vote - results) Alan E & Carmel J Brain
1997-10-30 0:00 ` Charles Lin
1997-10-30 0:00 ` James L. Ryan
1997-10-31 0:00 ` Robert Bernecky
1997-10-31 0:00 ` Robert Bernecky
1997-11-01 0:00 ` Randy MacDonald
1997-11-01 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-11-03 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-10-25 0:00 ` Programming language vote - results Alan E & Carmel J Brain
1997-10-26 0:00 ` functionality of Java (was Re: Programming language vote - results) Randy MacDonald
1997-10-23 0:00 ` Programming language vote - results Jack Rudd
1997-10-25 0:00 ` Alan E & Carmel J Brain
1997-10-25 0:00 ` Kaz
1997-10-26 0:00 ` FRS DES
1997-10-27 0:00 ` Robert Bernecky
1997-10-27 0:00 ` APL argument W. Wesley Groleau x4923
1997-10-28 0:00 ` Randy MacDonald
1997-10-28 0:00 ` Programming language vote - results Jan Karman
1997-10-28 0:00 ` Robert Bernecky
1997-10-28 0:00 ` James L. Ryan
1997-10-29 0:00 ` Robert Bernecky
[not found] ` <bosworth-2910972044300001@access59.accsyst.com>
1997-10-30 0:00 ` Robert Bernecky
1997-10-30 0:00 ` James L. Ryan
1997-10-31 0:00 ` Robert Bernecky
1997-10-31 0:00 ` James L. Ryan
1997-10-29 0:00 ` Jack Rudd
1997-10-25 0:00 ` Peter Seebach
1997-11-18 0:00 ` Ingemar Ragnemalm
1997-11-18 0:00 ` firewind
1997-11-18 0:00 ` Kevin Swan
1997-11-19 0:00 ` Alan E & Carmel J Brain
1997-11-18 0:00 ` Larry Elmore
1997-11-20 0:00 ` firewind
1997-11-19 0:00 ` Mike Smith
1997-11-19 0:00 ` Matt
1997-11-20 0:00 ` firewind
[not found] ` <3474C71B.536B12F6@cgocable.net>
1997-11-21 0:00 ` CVigue
1997-11-23 0:00 ` Lawrence Kirby
1997-11-24 0:00 ` FRS DES
1997-11-20 0:00 ` Coding for Obscurity Alan E & Carmel J Brain
1997-11-20 0:00 ` Stephan Wilms
1997-11-21 0:00 ` Jos A. Horsmeier
1997-11-23 0:00 ` Alex Krol
1997-11-24 0:00 ` Jim Johnson
1997-11-24 0:00 ` Mark Wilden
1997-11-26 0:00 ` Robert S. White
1997-11-26 0:00 ` Leon Jones
1997-11-26 0:00 ` Lawrence Kirby
1997-11-26 0:00 ` Ron Natalie
1997-11-27 0:00 ` Joerg Rodemann
1997-11-26 0:00 ` Miguel Carrasquer Vidal
1997-12-01 0:00 ` ISONE
1997-12-01 0:00 ` ISONE
1997-11-26 0:00 ` Mark Wilden
1997-11-27 0:00 ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1997-11-23 0:00 ` Al Christians
1997-11-24 0:00 ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1997-11-24 0:00 ` Samuel T. Harris
1997-11-24 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-11-25 0:00 ` Samuel T. Harris
1997-11-24 0:00 ` Matt
1997-11-24 0:00 ` Ed Falis
1997-11-20 0:00 ` firewind
1997-11-20 0:00 ` Jos A. Horsmeier
1997-11-20 0:00 ` Programming language vote - results Andy Knight
1997-11-20 0:00 ` firewind
1997-11-20 0:00 ` Terry Richards
1997-11-20 0:00 ` Andy Knight
1997-11-23 0:00 ` Alex Krol
1997-11-25 0:00 ` William Tanksley
1997-11-26 0:00 ` Ron Natalie
1997-11-27 0:00 ` William Tanksley
1997-11-27 0:00 ` Lawrence Kirby
[not found] ` <65keij$mkd$1@nerd.apk.net>
1997-11-27 0:00 ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-11-28 0:00 ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
1997-12-01 0:00 ` FRS DES
1997-11-18 0:00 ` Lawrence Kirby
1997-11-24 0:00 ` Martin M Dowie
1997-11-25 0:00 ` Kaz Kylheku
1997-11-26 0:00 ` Peter Seebach
1997-12-02 0:00 ` ANDREAS LEITNER
1997-12-02 0:00 ` Lawrence Kirby
1997-12-03 0:00 ` Billy Chambless
1997-12-03 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-12-02 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-12-05 0:00 ` John Sullivan
1997-11-25 0:00 ` Mark Wilden
1997-11-25 0:00 ` Martin M Dowie
1997-11-26 0:00 ` Lawrence Kirby
1997-11-26 0:00 ` FRS DES
1997-11-18 0:00 ` Kevin Swan
1997-11-29 0:00 ` Ingemar Ragnemalm
1998-09-10 0:00 ` Steven Katz
1997-11-19 0:00 ` Alan E & Carmel J Brain
1997-11-19 0:00 ` Peter Seebach
1997-10-16 0:00 ` Randy MacDonald
[not found] ` <01bcdad2$fa9fdf60$25a43a91@basil.omroep.nl>
1997-10-17 0:00 ` D'Arcy J.M. Cain
1997-10-17 0:00 ` Robert I. Eachus
1997-10-14 0:00 ` Randy MacDonald
1997-10-13 0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1997-10-14 0:00 ` Gary L. Scott [this message]
1997-10-13 0:00 ` Robert S. White
1997-10-13 0:00 ` Gary L. Scott
1997-10-19 0:00 ` William Rapp
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